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2021-09-14 8:47:35 AM  
38 votes:

kpaxoid: Does no one remember the "flattening the curve" lockdowns?


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How things are going now.
 
2021-09-14 8:45:12 AM  
17 votes:
In every city there are event tent rental places. You can get huge tents with options and accessories added like air conditioning.

Hospitals can start renting those out, erecting them in the parking lot, fill them up with cheap twin beds from the local mattress liquidators, some cheap sheets from Ollie's and MyPillows and put a little sign out front and call them "Donald J Trump honorary COVID-19 treatment wing". Park their happy asses inside, and pay an orderly a $50K salary to wear a biohazard suit and distribute out aquarium cleaner, horse paste, bottles of betadine, and sachets of witch hazel in little gift bags.
 
2021-09-14 9:21:53 AM  
16 votes:

Wobambo: I'm imagining doctors at this point walking off the job to become a plumber because dealing with literal shiat is better than this dumbass nightmare.


Being a doctor still has perks.
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2021-09-14 8:35:13 AM  
12 votes:
Curse that hippopotamus oath.
 
2021-09-14 6:20:09 AM  
10 votes:

bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?


Because Hippocrates or something.

Isn't this the month when insurance stops paying for COVID hospitalization expenses?
 
2021-09-14 9:57:53 AM  
7 votes:
The conservative response via some of my social media:

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2021-09-14 9:14:13 AM  
7 votes:
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2021-09-14 10:37:02 AM  
6 votes:
I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.
 
2021-09-14 8:45:06 AM  
6 votes:

great_tigers: My FIL got the vaccine. Just spent a week in the ICU.


Was that from extremely swollen testicles?
 
2021-09-14 12:44:12 PM  
5 votes:
The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.
 
2021-09-14 11:12:51 AM  
5 votes:
We should stop treating vaccinated people - they made poor life choices and now should suffer the consequences.

Also fat people. Literally just eat less food until you aren't fat. You'll save money and be healthier. Fat people are a serious problem for our healthcare infrastructure.

Also unfit people. I don't mean everyone should be a professional athlete but if you aren't following the AMA guidelines (every healthy adult 18 to 65 years of age needs at least 30 minutes of moderate-intensity aerobic physical activity five days per week, or 20 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic physical activity three days a week) you are selfishly putting everyone at risk.

Also drug users. Why are we treating smokers for anything at all? If they valued life, they wouldn't smoke. They are a burden for the rest of us. Alcohol is awful. Stop it. I'm sick and tired picking up the slack for these people.

And yes, I'm including sugar and processed foods. Put down that large Coke and bag of Doritos. Have some respect for you AND the healthcare system we all depend on.

Also risk takers. No seat belt == no treatment. No helmet == no treatment. Ride a motorcycle == no treatment. These dangerous activities cause a disproportionate amount of injuries (sometimes fatal). I'm happy to provide a full list to whatever government agency will listen but we need to stop thinking of individual's "freedoms" and more about the good of the healthcare system as a whole.

Also people who avoid preventative care. No annual physical....screw you. Bend over boys - if you skip those recommended prostate exams you forfeit future treatment. You don't get to say, 'Ha, I never go to the doctor' and then show up with some horrible disease that could have been mitigated earlier and then be a drain on the system.

And every single person who either skips or ignores genetic testing before having a baby. These children will face a lifetime of difficulties and put substantial strain on our healthcare (and other) systems. If you were unaware due to your willful negligence or worse, intentionally choose to continue with such a pregnancy...that burden of healthcare should be yours and yours alone. Go to the library and get some medical books, but keep them out of our hospitals.

Personally I think healthcare should be free and mandatory. With taxes and penalties for those who fail to comply. We'll ban all advertisements for both drugs and medical procedures. Doctors alone will decide what you need and when. You don't get to pick which vaccines you get or which medication to take. I'm not trying to make this sound extreme, obviously you can report side effects to your doctor - but they and they alone are qualified to make medical decisions. They will decide if the side effects are worth it, not you. Failure to take medication will be a crime. Detection won't be perfect but they can verify that you picked it up and collect urine samples and what not whenever they want.

Things like alcohol and tobacco should just be outright banned. Things like processed foods and all that unhealthy junk should require an ID - just like alcohol and tobacco do now - but instead of age it will be a fitness card signed-off by your doctor. Fatties like myself won't be able to buy junk food. And we'll have penalties for supplying an unhealthy person with bad food. If you aren't fit enough, the doctor will prescribe a fitness routine and healthclubs will all become part of a government run system. AKA if you are fit, you can do your exercises at home, however you see fit. If you aren't - you need to report to the fitness place and have a professional sign-off on your activity.

Admittedly this might feel like a big change - but that's only because we suck so much as it is. If you didn't brush your teeth and someone told you, 'From now on, you have to brush your teeth three times per day and then use this little floss stuff AND see a dentist every 6-12 months' you'd be like, 'That's ridiculous'.

The reality is that we would fix so many problems with this approach and the only good reason not to do it is 'But I wanna be a lazy, selfish POS'

Finally, it should go without saying but there would be medical exemptions and what not, as determined by the doctors running it. No religious nonsense though.
 
2021-09-14 12:56:28 PM  
4 votes:

jumac: thegreatmurgatroid: The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.

This has to be one of if not the most stupid thing I read all day bout this.  What you are say is so full of fiction and has nothing based on fact.

Those of use who are saying its unvaccined cause this have read the data and follow those who have the facts not the stupid morons who spread false info with nothing to back them up.


Ive not only read the data but am a medical expert myself and have been on the front lines the entirety of the pandemic.  I would I am one of the highest credentialed on fark in regards to the covid pandemic in both terms of formal education and actual experience.

I am telling you that most of you have no idea what you're talking about.  You are just repeating things you've heard, just as you claim the "plague rats" are doing.
 
2021-09-14 10:19:05 AM  
4 votes:
Perhaps now is the time for breaking all the contracts the world has with American companies that handle disaster recovery and management. There is no way the USA can handle fires, flood, or epidemics. They're literally the worst at them. This in't even Biden's fault - Biden is doing good. We just cannot trust any given group of Americans to save a puppy from a tree without setting fire to the neighbourhood and shoving drugs up their ass. This is not an exaggeration or hyperbole. We must keep the USA out of disaster management. We can't even let them give input at the UN. Oh, and, at leat now we can explain why the UN Security Council is a farking bag of failures. The USA dominates, and the USA is now exposed as the worst responder. We need to replace them with New Zealanders. Everywhere the USA is on a committee, fark them, they need to go, and New Zealand can take their seat.
 
2021-09-14 9:59:06 AM  
4 votes:
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2021-09-14 9:55:07 AM  
4 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?


They are waiting on Nicki Manaj to complete her research, duh.

"They want you to get vaccinated for the Met," Minaj, 38, tweeted Monday night. "if I get vaccinated it won't for the Met. It'll be once I feel I've done enough research. I'm working on that now."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicki-mi​n​aj-covid-vaccine-met-gala/
 
2021-09-14 9:55:06 AM  
4 votes:

CrashTheGame: Just wanted to point out that basically every comment made here is sophistry.


You must be new here.
 
2021-09-14 10:55:08 AM  
3 votes:

flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updat​es/2021/08/breakthrough-infections

Spoiler:  .02% of fully vaccinated people are getting breakthrough infections weekly. That's 35,000 out of approximately 1,000,0000 cases at the current rates. So sure, allocate 3.5% of the blame if you want but let's not leave out the other 96.5% from the blame analysis.


A vaccine trains the immune system the recognize and fight a pathogen. It is not a magic forcefield that stops the virus from entering a human body. The virus can still enter the body and can still replicate.  If it is in a person it can leave a person via the normal infectious vectors.
 
2021-09-14 10:42:06 AM  
3 votes:

flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."


Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.
 
2021-09-14 10:33:58 AM  
3 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: I sound fat: Hospitals would refer to this as under capacity.

Seriously, do you think they build hospitals to be a third full?

Hello. I am sure that, like many people, (my aunt, for example), you've spent several weeks in a coma because of Covid.

During that time, and your recovery, American (and everyone else's), hospitals were walloped with far worse damage than any single terrorist attack would have done. Consider this: If terrorists had blown up every hopital in the USA, on the ame day, they would have been rebuilt by now and their equipment rebuilt. Only one shift of worker would have been injured or killed.

Instead, Covid has given the hopitals the worst case emergency scenario all day, every day, for over a year. All shifts. Relentlessly. Doctors with decades of knowledge have burned out or been diabled with brain fog and lung damage, meaning that the most valuable people whio coordinate entire wings of hospitals are no longer available. Menawhile, there were attempts to repair the damage, like hiring every reitred nure and doctor, hiring immigrants with medical staff experience that do not usually qualify, fast-tracking med school and nursing school students. There is still no way to meet the demand for equipment, becaue even with war measure invoked to produce equipment, the factories are also in a pandemic.

It is easy to miss the scale of the disaster while we are all suffering our personal apocalypses. ...Apocalae? ..Apocaleese? Anyhow. Hospitals are not equipped to run at 77%. They cannot properly run at any capacity. What you see is more like MASH meatball medicine than anything. They need people to quarantine and/or lockdown. Even the vaccinated.


Well, i DID have respiratory and sepsis due to covid.

What the hell does that have to due with the fact that 77 percent is not threatened capacity?

If they couldnt run at 77% capacity, 76 would be 100 percent capacity.  Your logic is laughable
 
2021-09-14 9:24:21 AM  
3 votes:
Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.
 
2021-09-14 9:05:40 AM  
3 votes:

jso2897: kpaxoid: Does no one remember the "flattening the curve" lockdowns?

A lot of people remember it.  So what?
Got a point?


Just wondering why they're not happening now.
 
2021-09-14 8:44:22 AM  
3 votes:

Eightballjacket: It's in the article, they have to, it is federal law.


There are articles here?

/ I kid
 
2021-09-14 6:49:24 PM  
2 votes:

thegreatmurgatroid: Ive not only read the data but am a medical expert myself and have been on the front lines the entirety of the pandemic. I would I am one of the highest credentialed on fark in regards to the covid pandemic in both terms of formal education and actual experience.


And this is your wife.

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2021-09-14 11:44:35 AM  
2 votes:

Wesdog: The people who refused to get vaccinated are responsible for the variants like Delta and Mu.?


Statistically speaking, I think this is very unlikely. They just make an easy target/scapegoat.

The percentage of people refusing the vaccine, especially in the US which is what most people are Fark talk about (MAGA idiots refusing the vaccine are allowing variants) would be completely dwarfed by all the people who just don't have them. But, ya know, that's costly and might make us feel uncomfortable to admit our wealthy first-world privilege. The virus doesn't care.


The Congo, Haiti, Chad, South Sudan, Turkmenistan, Tanzania, Madagascar, Yemn, Syria, Benin, Mali, Cameroon, Somalia, Sudan, Niger, Zambia, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Uganda, Liberia, Ethiopia, Ghana, Central African Republic, and Guinea-Bissau all have less than 3% of their populations vaccinated.

If you look at countries with less than 10% or 20% it's a considerable number of people. And that's not even talking about people too young for the vaccine.

In the US - we're at like 76% of the 18+ group that has been encouraged to the vaccine. Surveys show that less than 20% of adults in the US refuse the vaccine. But let's just assume it's the full 24% who haven't had at least one shot.

260 million adults in the US. 20% of that is 52 million people. That's a lot of people, sure. But it's smaller than the ~74 million children under the age of 18 in the US and it's a drop in the bucket compared to the combined populations of the countries with less than 3% vaccinated.

Just look at Nigeria. It has ~205 million people and only 2% are even partially vaccinated. That's FOUR TIMES as many vaccinated people as every singe anti-vaxer American. FOUR TIMES. And that's just ONE other country. Look at a few more....Bangladesh has 164 million with 13% partially vaccinated...meaning 143 million not. Ethiopia has 115 million and only 2.1% are partially vaccinated...meaning 112 million unvaccinated.

Nigeria, Bangladesh and Ethiopia collectively have 455 million people without vaccination against COVID-19. The US might have 50 million anti-vax iditos. That's 9 times more chance of a variant from just those three countries.

You can blame anti-vaxer types for the hospital shortages we're facing and certainly for a bunch of deaths, but the odds of them being the cause of a variant are pretty small.
 
2021-09-14 11:13:33 AM  
2 votes:

flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updat​es/2021/08/breakthrough-infections

Spoiler:  .02% of fully vaccinated people are getting breakthrough infections weekly. That's 35,000 out of approximately 1,000,0000 cases at the current rates. So sure, allocate 3.5% of the blame if you want but let's not leave out the other 96.5% from the blame analysis.

A vaccine trains the immune system the recognize and fight a pathogen. It is not a magic forcefield that stops the virus from entering a human body. The virus can still enter the body and can still replicate.  If it is in a person it can leave a person via the normal infectious vectors.

It seems like you're leaving viral load out of your calculation.  The vaccine helps the immune system fight off the infection and that means that the viral load in most vaccinated people is going to be far lower. That means they are not contagious or are fare less than they otherwise would have been.

How is this a bad thing or a thing to dismiss?


The viral load of delta is ridiculously high. Some say up to 1,000% higher in delta. Even if there's a 90% reduction in viral load due to vaccine the load is still elevated in delta.

What I'm really getting at is that the popular trend is just blame the unvaxed. They are a part of the problem. The millions of morons in the world who think having a vaccine means they can go back to risky behavior is the bigger problem.

The ones who are piling into theme parks and riding attractions which haven't been wiped down after rides. The people crowding in venues like dance clubs again. How many millions are going to decide that a shot means no more hand washing in those conditions?
 
2021-09-14 11:12:44 AM  
2 votes:
So 23% are open. Hospitals better up that advertising budget.
 
2021-09-14 11:03:08 AM  
2 votes:
That was the goal. That's what the virus wanted.

I've played enough global pandemic games to kind of get it. The way to win at Plague Inc. is to make a virus that goes mostly undetected and causes only minor symptoms so that people feel justified in ignoring the danger. Your goal, as the virus, is to get people to spread you as far as possible without practicing any social distancing, masking, hand-washing, or immunization.

There's one thing in the game that they got very wrong: When the humans develop a vaccine it's over for you, the virus. People all get vaccinated and you die out.

If the game were accurate (we now know) then even when the vaccine is developed, only about 60% of the population will seek it, and that's not enough to destroy the virus. The game forgot to model right-wing propaganda (pro-virus, if you can imagine that!) as one of the factors in spreading the virus.

However, my theory is this: The vaccine resistance, the anti-masking, the refusal to practice social distancing are all symptoms of the early stages of the virus! Think about it! The virus wants to spread. What better way to do that than to affect those who have enlarged amygdalas (i.e. most conservatives) with fear over what social distancing, masking, and vaccinations could do to them? It's an undetected early symptom that makes them not only shun any and all ways to avoid spreading the virus, but actively encourages them to gather in large groups and infect each other. Since this virus works based on viral loads (the more you get, the worse off you are) it's whole goal is to get the minimally-infected to gather around other people and really get a good, long, stupid amount of exposure to ensure the virus lives.

I know my theory is nutty cuckoo crazy silly. But damned if it doesn't fit. These people are acting completely irrationally. Going against logic, reason, and the pleas of their own loved ones. This is like a person with rabies being instilled with rage (to spread the virus) and intense fear of water-- Mo idea why it would instill that fear, but the point is that it instills a very specific fear. It's within the abilities of a virus to make a person fear a specific thing, like water, so why not something else like vaccines, masks, doctors, or sheltering in place?

These people are kind of like zombies who are actively and irrationally driven to infect others. Eventually, after they've spread the virus around, they either recover (thanks to medical science) or they die (the virus' ultimate goal beyond replication). If they recover they continue to be irrational allies of the virus. It makes no sense because they're gibberish-talking covid ghouls.
 
2021-09-14 10:53:42 AM  
2 votes:

asmodeus224: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

They are waiting on Nicki Manaj to complete her research, duh.

"They want you to get vaccinated for the Met," Minaj, 38, tweeted Monday night. "if I get vaccinated it won't for the Met. It'll be once I feel I've done enough research. I'm working on that now."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicki-min​aj-covid-vaccine-met-gala/


"Feel I've done enough research.  I'm working on that now."

So she's up late peer reviewing the Pfizer data?
 
2021-09-14 10:10:53 AM  
2 votes:

buttercat: [Fark user image 850x850]


Because you're the meanest person on Fark I am OK with the dog pile that will probably happen to you now.
 
2021-09-14 9:46:54 AM  
2 votes:

Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.


You have my sympathies for having incredibly stupid parents and having to deal with that. They, however, will get no sympathy from me.
 
2021-09-14 9:42:51 AM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Wobambo: I'm imagining doctors at this point walking off the job to become a plumber because dealing with literal shiat is better than this dumbass nightmare.

Being a doctor still has perks.
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Pre-emptive PG-rated Matty the Mouse threadjack!

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2021-09-14 9:42:17 AM  
2 votes:
which is good for the companies that own the hospitals. gotta keep those beds full!
 
2021-09-14 9:08:26 AM  
2 votes:

db2: I don't think the Hippocratic oath says anything about declining to treat a patient. Tell the voluntarily unvaccinated to take a hike.


EMTALA and professional duty >>> some mostly ceremonial oath

Are we going to refuse to treat known criminals, drug addicts, and The Dutch?
 
2021-09-14 8:58:33 AM  
2 votes:
What percentage should be taken?  Honest question... one of biggest abuses of statistics is to omit the context that provides meaning.  The article also carefully lists beds in use by Covid patients as a number and not percentage so there is absolutely no way to compare the relative impact.

To top it off, the article then links to a dashboard, the bane of any contextual understanding.

The Internet (and modern journalism) is making us dumber.
 
2021-09-14 8:50:06 AM  
2 votes:
we had a talk bout this other day at work.  i have a coworker who is saying that the hospital are lying.  Shes a anti-covid person(saids it a real thing but that we are blowing it way out of proportion.)

She claims

1. that hospitals have the beds but because they are making their staff get the vaccine and so many are quiting/getting fired that they are under staff and if they just stop they be all fine.

2. that people have gone into hospitals with hidden cameras and gotten videos of crap ton of empty beds. (none of which i can find online lol).

3. that the mainstream media is lying to us for the gov.  and they are hidden the truth from us. and that only the non mainstream media is telling it like it is.

Trying to explain stuff to her bout how rights work and stuff and she go off the deep end.  to her our right are 100% active all the time and can never be limited.
 
2021-09-14 8:41:22 AM  
2 votes:
My FIL got the vaccine. Just spent a week in the ICU.
 
2021-09-14 8:35:56 AM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?


Their own death certificate?
 
2021-09-14 4:36:28 PM  
1 vote:

I sound fat: Hospitals would refer to this as under capacity.


Yep
 
2021-09-14 12:48:15 PM  
1 vote:

thegreatmurgatroid: The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.


This has to be one of if not the most stupid thing I read all day bout this.  What you are say is so full of fiction and has nothing based on fact.

Those of use who are saying its unvaccined cause this have read the data and follow those who have the facts not the stupid morons who spread false info with nothing to back them up.
 
2021-09-14 12:07:12 PM  
1 vote:

thehobbes: But the chance of them developing the variant that eludes the vaccine are significantly higher.


I still don't see how that isn't the case everywhere? If the US had strict border controls and (for example) Nigeria didn't have any vaccine - then sure, the local population of unvaccinated would be a major concern.

But the same vaccines are already in all of these countries and we're slowly increasing the number of vaccinated in those countries. And the scale is an order of magnitude larger than what we have in the US with our antivax folks.

The virus doesn't care if I'm not vaccinated because 'Muh FREEDUMBS!!!' or because my country isn't wealthy enough, right? And all of these other countries will have a slowly growing number of vaccinated that would give the same opportunity for variants to develop alongside the vaccinated.
 
2021-09-14 11:39:43 AM  
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Biden is even beating Trump on number of hospital beds. I bet the doctors who gave to Biden's campaign are laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2021-09-14 11:35:57 AM  
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Neil B. for Zod: What percentage should be taken?  Honest question... one of biggest abuses of statistics is to omit the context that provides meaning.  The article also carefully lists beds in use by Covid patients as a number and not percentage so there is absolutely no way to compare the relative impact.

To top it off, the article then links to a dashboard, the bane of any contextual understanding.

The Internet (and modern journalism) is making us dumber.


Also, the article fails to mention what the normal occupancy rates are for percentage of bed taken normally.  Some try to keep their beds full, for the $$$$'s.  Why would they ever want 0 beds taken?  Emergency rooms and ICU's are normally very busy and often are short on open beds.
 
2021-09-14 11:07:35 AM  
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TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.


I've worn my mask everywhere and maintain a good distance from everyone. I don't go anywhere I don't need to go. I live in Arkansas and I would say that less than 50% of people in my area wore a mask last year. Now in a crowd of 50 people I'm likely the only one wearing a mask. In a store it's normally me and the employees.

The people who refused to get vaccinated are responsible for the variants like Delta and Mu. How? They spread the virus to vaccinated people and some were mutated enough to get past the bodies immune response for the original virus. That spread to unvaccinated folks and there you go, the Delta variant. Less than 10% of vaccinated people exposed to the virus will get a breakthrough infection. I think 7 point something percent was what I saw. If people got vaccinated as soon as they could and continued to wear masks and distance we would have the world nearly ready to go back to normal.

Since the blame lies directly at the feet of people who won't get vaccinated and who still refuse to wear masks or social distance it is entirely appropriate and necessary to blame and shame them publicly as loudly as we can to as many people as possible. I learned about respiratory viruses in middle school health class. Wearing a mask reduces transmission of that kind of virus. I've known this since I was 11 in 6th grade. People who aren't wearing masks aren't going to suddenly start. If they were intelligent enough or compassionate enough to care about other peoples health as well as their own they would already be wearing a mask. This isn't about "changing peoples minds" anymore. This is about not worrying about people's feeling, fark their feelings. They don't care if they spread COVID to someones kid who ends up dying I'm not going to give a flying fark about their feelings.

The intelligent people are getting vaccinated and wearing masks/distancing. The people who are smart enough to listen to the knowledge and advice from people who have spent their entire careers in medicine or medical research. I'm just hoping I can get my kids vaccinated soon. Then these morons can kill each other with COVID as hard and fast as they want. I hope they enjoy the freedom of drowning in their own mucus and may they all rot in hell. I'd donate to a fund for them to have big arena rallies with 20,000 attending. Maybe Eric Clapton and Van Morrison could headline.

These people do not care about you. If they had a functional brain and even a tiny little bit of critical thinking skills they would get vaccinated and wear a mask/distance. You can argue and yell all you want but you won't  convince that brick wall to turn into a cloud. It doesn't matter if we blame the unvaccinated for all of this current mess its not going to effect mask wearing in any way. The people who are going to wear a mask are already doing it. Nobody is going to suddenly start wearing a mask 18 months into a global pandemic because you didn't blame the unvaccinated.

Really think doctors should stop treating people who aren't vaccinated. Do No Harm includes the harm they are doing by treating these idiots. If you give the bed to an unvaccinated COVID patient who will likely take up that bed for 2 to 4 weeks or more before dying, how many others will not get treatment because of that? There is literally a free easy way to avoid dying from COVID. Anyone who refuses that should be kicked to the back of the line for healthcare if they get COVID.
 
2021-09-14 10:53:57 AM  
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Great_Milenko: bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?

the same reason they admit chain smokers with lung cancer?

Or 600 pound people with diabetes?


In the past, there has been room in the hospitals for those who voluntarily make bad choices.

The difference is, now there is no room.

F**k antivaxxers and Covid deniers. F**k each and every one of them with rusty, flexible conduit crammed down their throats. They're killing us all because they are stupid.
 
2021-09-14 10:48:23 AM  
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sprgrss: what is the baseline occupancy rate for hospitals?


if you live in Oregon it is half the population of Idaho.
 
2021-09-14 10:36:39 AM  
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Wobambo: They need people to quarantine and/or lockdown. Even the vaccinated.


In agreement with you and the whole farking thing is driving me nuts. How can we be so callous and irresponsible as a culture? I don't want to rag on Biden too much because I understand the hesitancy, but we need some farking leadership. Do the lockdown and if the freedumb morons want to throw a murderous fit like they're threatening THROW THEM IN PRISON AND/OR SHOOT THEM.


Wait, is this more "hyperbole" or are you serious this time?
 
2021-09-14 10:32:26 AM  
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Bennie Crabtree: I sound fat: Hospitals would refer to this as under capacity.

Seriously, do you think they build hospitals to be a third full?

Hello. I am sure that, like many people, (my aunt, for example), you've spent several weeks in a coma because of Covid.

During that time, and your recovery, American (and everyone else's), hospitals were walloped with far worse damage than any single terrorist attack would have done. Consider this: If terrorists had blown up every hopital in the USA, on the ame day, they would have been rebuilt by now and their equipment rebuilt. Only one shift of worker would have been injured or killed.

Instead, Covid has given the hopitals the worst case emergency scenario all day, every day, for over a year. All shifts. Relentlessly. Doctors with decades of knowledge have burned out or been diabled with brain fog and lung damage, meaning that the most valuable people whio coordinate entire wings of hospitals are no longer available. Menawhile, there were attempts to repair the damage, like hiring every reitred nure and doctor, hiring immigrants with medical staff experience that do not usually qualify, fast-tracking med school and nursing school students. There is still no way to meet the demand for equipment, becaue even with war measure invoked to produce equipment, the factories are also in a pandemic.

It is easy to miss the scale of the disaster while we are all suffering our personal apocalypses. ...Apocalae? ..Apocaleese? Anyhow. Hospitals are not equipped to run at 77%. They cannot properly run at any capacity. What you see is more like MASH meatball medicine than anything. They need people to quarantine and/or lockdown. Even the vaccinated.


In agreement with you and the whole farking thing is driving me nuts. How can we be so callous and irresponsible as a culture? I don't want to rag on Biden too much because I understand the hesitancy, but we need some farking leadership. Do the lockdown and if the freedumb morons want to throw a murderous fit like they're threatening THROW THEM IN PRISON AND/OR SHOOT THEM.
 
2021-09-14 10:02:15 AM  
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buttercat: The conservative response via some of my social media:

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*screams into void*
 
2021-09-14 9:52:30 AM  
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Just wanted to point out that basically every comment made here is sophistry.
 
2021-09-14 9:38:10 AM  
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also some data from the NHI, which spells it out better. The rate actually swings considerably depending on the size of the hospital. Larger ones normally run close to 80% occupied, while smaller ones run sub 50%, for obvious reasons.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC4191350/

In other words this is a shiatty stat to throw as evidence of anything, other than at a very broad level, we are higher than the yearly average, but not to some extreme significancy.

I'd imagine if we broke it down seasonally, and then regionally, you would find a few hot spots that are responsible for it.
 
2021-09-14 9:13:24 AM  
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AdmirableSnackbar: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

They're waiting for science-based information that tells them that they shouldn't get vaccinated to justify their behavior. That's it. It's just a way for them to justify not getting the shots, they're every bit the anti-vaxxers while trying to appear not pants-on-head insane.


THIS

They thought they had it when the J&J and Astra-Zennica vaccines got put on hold over blood clots. Didn't matter that the risk for clots was incredibly low, lower than birth control pills even, but that was many of their "THIS IS IT" moment.

I'm honestly surprised some conservative think-tank hasn't funded a counter study on the vaccine much like they do with fossil fuels.
 
2021-09-14 9:04:35 AM  
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As of Monday morning, more than 96,000 hospital beds are filled with Covid-19 patients nationwide -- contributing to the 77% of all hospital beds across the country being currently in use, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services. About 80% of intensive care unit beds are in use.

Hospitals in some places are closer to capacity than in others.


Health care, like politics, is mostly local. A nationwide, aggregate measure of hospital/ICU capacity is of limited usefulness because it's not easy to transfer patients from hard-hit areas to distant hospitals with available beds. But sure, I guess we *could* load up a bunch of covid patients on a plane and ship them from, say, Texas to Wisconsin.

Here in Ohio, hospitals are reluctant to suspend elective procedures, because that's how they make most of their revenue, and they took a huge hit last year. Each health system is justifying business as usual by reasoning that if a covid surge hits, they can just transfer patients somewhere else. That's great, but the entire state is playing chicken with everyone else, and we're just whistling in the dark until a statewide surge forces everyone to dial it back.

I guess GOP governors are planning to do that on a national scale?
 
2021-09-14 9:00:05 AM  
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bostonguy: Eightballjacket: It's in the article, they have to, it is federal law.

There are articles here?

/ I kid


And actually, this article was pretty interesting.  Like this item saying that while they have to treat everyone who comes through the door, vax status is one of the factors on how much care is offered up once in the room


Or, if being unvaccinated and having lung failure puts you at a worse chance of survival versus someone who just comes in with asthma and lung problems but are vaccinated," Caplan said. "Many places would give priority to the vaccinated asthma patient as opposed to the unvaccinated lung failure patient. What they're watching is outcome and likelihood of success.
 
2021-09-14 8:58:04 AM  
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kpaxoid: Does no one remember the "flattening the curve" lockdowns?


A lot of people remember it.  So what?
Got a point?
 
2021-09-14 8:54:44 AM  
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dumbobruni: I'm currently waiting for PCR results to see if I have a breakthrough case.

Thanks a lot you antivax shiatheads


Damn son. Hope you make it.
 
2021-09-14 8:45:11 AM  
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You just know some of these nurses are jamming that tube down with no vaseline ar this point. I would hate to be receiving care from angry nurses.
 
2021-09-14 8:42:56 AM  
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great_tigers: My FIL got the vaccine. Just spent a week in the ICU.


That said, I firmly believe the only reason why he isn't dead is because he got the vaccine.
 
2021-09-14 8:42:43 AM  
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bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?


It's in the article, they have to, it is federal law. ERs are often full of people who do dumb and/or illegal things and get treatment.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act or EMTALA requires hospitals with emergency departments to provide a medical screening exam to any person who comes to the emergency department and requests care. The law also prohibits hospitals with emergency departments from refusing to examine or treat people with emergency medical conditions.Now, during the pandemic, many of the Covid-19 patients filling hospital beds are unvaccinated. EMTALA obligations remain in place.
 
2021-09-14 8:38:28 AM  
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No red state bailouts.
 
2021-09-14 8:36:51 AM  
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We're sending you to another facility....   The Chatsworth Funeral Home.
 
2021-09-14 8:36:51 AM  
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Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?


They're waiting for science-based information that tells them that they shouldn't get vaccinated to justify their behavior. That's it. It's just a way for them to justify not getting the shots, they're every bit the anti-vaxxers while trying to appear not pants-on-head insane.
 
2021-09-14 8:33:56 AM  
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?


I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?
 
2021-09-14 6:53:25 AM  
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Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?
 
2021-09-14 6:52:22 AM  
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45**
 
2021-09-14 6:07:05 AM  
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Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?
 
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