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2021-09-14 8:25:35 PM  

Por que tan serioso: dumbobruni: I'm currently waiting for PCR results to see if I have a breakthrough case.

Thanks a lot you antivax shiatheads

Damn son. Hope you make it.


Same. At least they're smart enough to be vaxxed. Stay healthy!
 
2021-09-14 8:37:27 PM  

jumac: going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.

Now under the 1905 case the SCOTUS said that the state have the right and responsibility  to put into place limitations for people who are considered a threat at this time.

Could any lawsuit brought by a state backfire?  I mean could it get to SCOTUS and the judges go well if you states had been doing your job then the pres wouldn't have to do this.  I know some say that the feds should try and use the commerce clause to take over control of how we deal with this. could SCOTUS say the states messed up so bad that they are turn it over to the feds?


I can't answer your question, but I expect a lot of pushback. It's extremely sad that we've come to this point. I personally have a bit of a bitter taste in my mouth over the mandates, but I willingly got my shots in April (earlier than I expected), and I now have a required vaccine passport. To me these measures are pushing the boundaries of my principals, but you know what? It's almost like we wouldn't need such measures if people actually did the right thing. I'm not going to get all "slippery slope" I think the feds will face a legitimate challenge to their authority though, and I agree with the latter part of you question... Get with the program, or no money for you. Cut off fed funds to plague states.
 
2021-09-14 8:43:06 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: jumac: going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.

That's what they're going to try, but OSHA is well established and unless they get a ruling saying COVID-19 isn't an occupational risk, they're going to lose badly.

This isn't a vaccine mandate on everyone. That would be a state matter. This is a vaccine mandate within already granted federal powers.


I think most of the legal pushback will come from the private businesses. Biden is the boss of the executive branch, and a vast majority of federal employees work for him. He can totally mandate a vax there. Federal contractors under the executive branch as well. Could be that using OSHA is an over reach of executive power, but I think we're gonna find out.
 
2021-09-14 8:57:44 PM  

TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.


Wow. No. If one is vaccinated, they will not likely have a long sustained infection that requires hospitalization and is more likely to result in death or vital mutations. And vaccinated individuals are still way less likely to contract or transmit covid. This messaging point pisses me off some much because it is a leverage for the antivaxxers: "durr durr, if you can still get it it's not a vaccine". It's not a farking bug, it's a feature. Vaccines don't create a goddamn magic shield that prevent pathogens from entering your body. They arm your immune system to fight off the invaders before they can overwhelm your immune system and make you sick.
 
2021-09-14 9:00:13 PM  

valenumr: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: jumac: going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.

That's what they're going to try, but OSHA is well established and unless they get a ruling saying COVID-19 isn't an occupational risk, they're going to lose badly.

This isn't a vaccine mandate on everyone. That would be a state matter. This is a vaccine mandate within already granted federal powers.

I think most of the legal pushback will come from the private businesses. Biden is the boss of the executive branch, and a vast majority of federal employees work for him. He can totally mandate a vax there. Federal contractors under the executive branch as well. Could be that using OSHA is an over reach of executive power, but I think we're gonna find out.


most private business will like it.  take the issue out of their hands and gives them some protection form lawsuits.
 
2021-09-14 9:01:28 PM  

flucto: I sound fat: Bennie Crabtree: I sound fat: Hospitals would refer to this as under capacity.

Seriously, do you think they build hospitals to be a third full?

Hello. I am sure that, like many people, (my aunt, for example), you've spent several weeks in a coma because of Covid.

During that time, and your recovery, American (and everyone else's), hospitals were walloped with far worse damage than any single terrorist attack would have done. Consider this: If terrorists had blown up every hopital in the USA, on the ame day, they would have been rebuilt by now and their equipment rebuilt. Only one shift of worker would have been injured or killed.

Instead, Covid has given the hopitals the worst case emergency scenario all day, every day, for over a year. All shifts. Relentlessly. Doctors with decades of knowledge have burned out or been diabled with brain fog and lung damage, meaning that the most valuable people whio coordinate entire wings of hospitals are no longer available. Menawhile, there were attempts to repair the damage, like hiring every reitred nure and doctor, hiring immigrants with medical staff experience that do not usually qualify, fast-tracking med school and nursing school students. There is still no way to meet the demand for equipment, becaue even with war measure invoked to produce equipment, the factories are also in a pandemic.

It is easy to miss the scale of the disaster while we are all suffering our personal apocalypses. ...Apocalae? ..Apocaleese? Anyhow. Hospitals are not equipped to run at 77%. They cannot properly run at any capacity. What you see is more like MASH meatball medicine than anything. They need people to quarantine and/or lockdown. Even the vaccinated.

Well, i DID have respiratory and sepsis due to covid.

What the hell does that have to due with the fact that 77 percent is not threatened capacity?

If they couldnt run at 77% capacity, 76 would be 100 percent capacity.  Your logic is laughable

Hospitals and their staffing are not designed to function with 76% of their patients needing critical care simultaneously. If they were then their ICUs would be far bigger, or maybe the whole thing would just be one massive ICU. It doesn't work that way, and you either know this and are being edgy or you need to rethink your "logic."


Think about this... Hospitals are offering over $6000 per week to bring in critical care nurses on travel contracts. That's like $320k per year. Everyone is exhausted, and resources are running thin.
 
2021-09-14 9:03:10 PM  

TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.


I guess you haven't been paying attention at all. Current guidance is to continue social distancing and masking if fully vaxxed. Not saying everyone is doing it, tbf.
 
2021-09-14 9:13:43 PM  

TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updat​es/2021/08/breakthrough-infections

Spoiler:  .02% of fully vaccinated people are getting breakthrough infections weekly. That's 35,000 out of approximately 1,000,0000 cases at the current rates. So sure, allocate 3.5% of the blame if you want but let's not leave out the other 96.5% from the blame analysis.

A vaccine trains the immune system the recognize and fight a pathogen. It is not a magic forcefield that stops the virus from entering a human body. The virus can still enter the body and can still replicate.  If it is in a person it can leave a person via the normal infectious vectors.


Damn, that's almost shakes tiny fist level.
 
2021-09-14 9:18:55 PM  

flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updat​es/2021/08/breakthrough-infections

Spoiler:  .02% of fully vaccinated people are getting breakthrough infections weekly. That's 35,000 out of approximately 1,000,0000 cases at the current rates. So sure, allocate 3.5% of the blame if you want but let's not leave out the other 96.5% from the blame analysis.

A vaccine trains the immune system the recognize and fight a pathogen. It is not a magic forcefield that stops the virus from entering a human body. The virus can still enter the body and can still replicate.  If it is in a person it can leave a person via the normal infectious vectors.

It seems like you're leaving viral load out of your calculation.  The vaccine helps the immune system fight off the infection and that means that the viral load in most vaccinated people is going to be far lower. That means they are not contagious or are fare less than they otherwise would have been.

How is this a bad thing or a thing to dismiss?


Ugh, now I feel like I supported an argument I didn't mean to support. You are correct.
 
2021-09-14 9:27:35 PM  

buttercat: I have a friend who studied Genetics in college and he blasts people with this when they say they have done their research.  They really don't know and don't realize they don't know.  It's legitimate D-K.

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I've done critical review. I always started with outlining with key cites. If there is something I was unfamiliar with or that smelled funny, I would either dig into the cites or consult a colleague. Granted, most of this was more on math and tech, not biology, virology, or epidemiology, but the principal is the same. It takes weeks and multiple heads to really evaluate science. A news article with a preprint is not good science, but that is very common today.
 
2021-09-14 9:33:00 PM  

Wesdog: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.

I've worn my mask everywhere and maintain a good distance from everyone. I don't go anywhere I don't need to go. I live in Arkansas and I would say that less than 50% of people in my area wore a mask last year. Now in a crowd of 50 people I'm likely the only one wearing a mask. In a store it's normally me and the employees.

The people who refused to get vaccinated are responsible for the variants like Delta and Mu. How? They spread the virus to vaccinated people and some were mutated enough to get past the bodies immune response for the original virus. That spread to unvaccinated folks and there you go, the Delta variant. Less than 10% of vaccinated people exposed to the virus will get a breakthrough infection. I think 7 point something percent was what I saw. If people got vaccinated as soon as they could and continued to wear masks and distance we would have the world nearly ready to go back to normal.

Since the blame lies directly at the feet of people who won't get vaccinated and who still refuse to wear masks or social distance it is entirely appropriate and necessary to blame and shame them publicly as loudly as we can to as many people as possible. I learned about respiratory viruses in middle school health class. Wearing a mask reduces transmission of that kind of virus. I've known this since I was 11 in 6th grade. People who aren't wearing masks aren't going to suddenly start. If they were intelligent enough or compassionate enough to care about other peoples health as well as their own they would already be wearing a mask. This isn't about "changing peoples minds" anymore. This is about not worrying about people's feeling, fark their feelings. They don't care if they spread COVID to someones kid who ends up dying I'm not going to give a flying fark about their feelings.

The intelligent people are getting vaccinated and wearing masks/distancing. The people who are smart enough to listen to the knowledge and advice from people who have spent their entire careers in medicine or medical research. I'm just hoping I can get my kids vaccinated soon. Then these morons can kill each other with COVID as hard and fast as they want. I hope they enjoy the freedom of drowning in their own mucus and may they all rot in hell. I'd donate to a fund for them to have big arena rallies with 20,000 attending. Maybe Eric Clapton and Van Morrison could headline.

These people do not care about you. If they had a functional brain and even a tiny little bit of critical thinking skills they would get vaccinated and wear a mask/distance. You can argue and yell all you want but you won't  convince that brick wall to turn into a cloud. It doesn't matter if we blame the unvaccinated for all of this current mess its not going to effect mask wearing in any way. The people who are going to wear a mask are already doing it. Nobody is going to suddenly start wearing a mask 18 months into a global pandemic because you didn't blame the unvaccinated.

Really think doctors should stop treating people who aren't vaccinated. Do No Harm includes the harm they are doing by treating these idiots. If you give the bed to an unvaccinated COVID patient who will likely take up that bed for 2 to 4 weeks or more before dying, how many others will not get treatment because of that? There is literally a free easy way to avoid dying from COVID. Anyone who refuses that should be kicked to the back of the line for healthcare if they get COVID.


Given my somewhat limited insights on the topic (only math modeling), I think the antivaxxers are a bigger problem re: mutation. They are suffering very long (three or more weeks) of intense infections with all kinds of novel treatments.

If you are vaxxed and get exposed, most likely outcome is the virus will die in your body. If you're not vaxxed, and get exposed, there is a decent chance you will incubate the virus for a long time.
 
2021-09-14 9:54:39 PM  

flucto: madgonad: Mr. Breeze: Oh I'm well farking aware, trust me. My kids have cystic fibrosis and we have largely been cut off from society (and extended family) for the past 19 months. It doesn't change the fact that you don't want to see your parents die at home.

Well, three weeks ago I watched my father die in the ICU. He actually wanted to die at home, but I don't think you can check someone out of the hospital AMA when they can't breath without high-flow pure O2. They will let you shift to comfort care, but if they are non-responsive they won't let you tug them into a wheelchair and then roll to the parking lot. It doesn't matter where it is, it is always farking terrible and leaves friends and family in tatters.

That's what makes me so angry at the willfully unvaccinated. I understand the insanity of ignoring the risk to yourself. People ride motorcycles without helmets. It is the sociopathology of directly and indirectly harming the people around them - many of those people they claim to love.

Dude/Doodah. I'm sorry for your loss. My best-ever boss once told me that one should never spend even one second trying to understand crazy, its motivations, goals, etc. It's beyond reason by definition. That's where we are I think. 100,000,000 crazy people who are beyond the reach of reason, sympathy, empathy, patriotism, or even care for their own lives. It's impossible to understand or to reason with.


I'd say on the crazy side it's more like 60 million, but that's still a shiatty number. And I mean the actual really crazy. There is a lot of FUD going on, and some folks that are hesitant aren't exactly off the rails. What I mean is, they could could change their minds. But there are many who are beyond hope. It's farked up.

I actually wrote an email to my poli-sci professor from many moons ago, one of my favorite mentors in college. This was ore 01/06, and we had a few back and forth a about the political climate and covid and what the future might hold (at that time). Neither one of us predicted any of this bazaar timeline.
 
2021-09-14 10:00:02 PM  

munko: Neil B. for Zod: What percentage should be taken?  Honest question... one of biggest abuses of statistics is to omit the context that provides meaning.  The article also carefully lists beds in use by Covid patients as a number and not percentage so there is absolutely no way to compare the relative impact.

To top it off, the article then links to a dashboard, the bane of any contextual understanding.

The Internet (and modern journalism) is making us dumber.

Also, the article fails to mention what the normal occupancy rates are for percentage of bed taken normally.  Some try to keep their beds full, for the $$$$'s.  Why would they ever want 0 beds taken?  Emergency rooms and ICU's are normally very busy and often are short on open beds.


Standard propaganda bull shiat. Yep, covid is fake and the medico-industrio complex is cashing in.
 
2021-09-14 10:03:50 PM  

thehobbes: Fark_Guy_Rob: We should stop treating vaccinated people - they made poor life choices and now should suffer the consequences.

They'll just lie. Same people are the ones who flooded VAERS with reports of vaccine reactions and fatalities.

They have no accountability.


I live in a high vax place. Almost (a couple outliers) everyone I know even casually is vaxxed. One (hesitant) person got legit covid arm (rash and swelling) after the first shot, but still got the second after some coaxing. I've not seen any complaints from anybody else.
 
2021-09-14 10:08:18 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Wesdog: The people who refused to get vaccinated are responsible for the variants like Delta and Mu.?

Statistically speaking, I think this is very unlikely. They just make an easy target/scapegoat.

The percentage of people refusing the vaccine, especially in the US which is what most people are Fark talk about (MAGA idiots refusing the vaccine are allowing variants) would be completely dwarfed by all the people who just don't have them. But, ya know, that's costly and might make us feel uncomfortable to admit our wealthy first-world privilege. The virus doesn't care.


The Congo, Haiti, Chad, South Sudan, Turkmenistan, Tanzania, Madagascar, Yemn, Syria, Benin, Mali, Cameroon, Somalia, Sudan, Niger, Zambia, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Uganda, Liberia, Ethiopia, Ghana, Central African Republic, and Guinea-Bissau all have less than 3% of their populations vaccinated.

If you look at countries with less than 10% or 20% it's a considerable number of people. And that's not even talking about people too young for the vaccine.

In the US - we're at like 76% of the 18+ group that has been encouraged to the vaccine. Surveys show that less than 20% of adults in the US refuse the vaccine. But let's just assume it's the full 24% who haven't had at least one shot.

260 million adults in the US. 20% of that is 52 million people. That's a lot of people, sure. But it's smaller than the ~74 million children under the age of 18 in the US and it's a drop in the bucket compared to the combined populations of the countries with less than 3% vaccinated.

Just look at Nigeria. It has ~205 million people and only 2% are even partially vaccinated. That's FOUR TIMES as many vaccinated people as every singe anti-vaxer American. FOUR TIMES. And that's just ONE other country. Look at a few more....Bangladesh has 164 million with 13% partially vaccinated...meaning 143 million not. Ethiopia has 115 million and only 2.1% are partially vaccinated...meaning 112 million unvaccinated.

Nigeria, Bangladesh and Ethiopia collectively have 455 million people without vaccination against COVID-19. The US might have 50 million anti-vax iditos. That's 9 times more chance of a variant from just those three countries.

You can blame anti-vaxer types for the hospital shortages we're facing and certainly for a bunch of deaths, but the odds of them being the cause of a variant are pretty small.


No. Delta was around before vaccines. What comes next is up in the air. It's people having long, sustained infections that are spinning variants. That may change, but the current situation is that those legitimately infected with long term illness are the problem.
 
2021-09-14 10:13:45 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: thehobbes: Fark_Guy_Rob: We should stop treating vaccinated people - they made poor life choices and now should suffer the consequences.

They'll just lie. Same people are the ones who flooded VAERS with reports of vaccine reactions and fatalities.

They have no accountability.

Under my system, medical records would be detailed and controlled by the government run healthcare system. They'd know. Either using microchips or biometrics. If anyone was unidentifiable (say we use fingerprints but you are severely burned and they can't read it) then you'd get treatment until they can identify you. Provided you are compliant with the medical requirements, treatment will continue.

If you are not compliant they'd transport you to the exterior of the building. You'd be liable for the cost of all treatment incurred, naturally.


You basically just cited everything the antivaxxers are rallying against. Look at the pushback against Biden's latest plan. Do you seriously think that will work,or are you being sarcastic?
 
2021-09-14 10:18:15 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.


*citations need* *plural*
 
2021-09-14 10:19:39 PM  

jumac: thegreatmurgatroid: The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.

This has to be one of if not the most stupid thing I read all day bout this.  What you are say is so full of fiction and has nothing based on fact.

Those of use who are saying its unvaccined cause this have read the data and follow those who have the facts not the stupid morons who spread false info with nothing to back them up.


I wonder where that one funny came from...
 
2021-09-14 10:22:04 PM  

Sword and Shield: Parthenogenetic: As of Monday morning, more than 96,000 hospital beds are filled with Covid-19 patients nationwide -- contributing to the 77% of all hospital beds across the country being currently in use, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services. About 80% of intensive care unit beds are in use.

Hospitals in some places are closer to capacity than in others.

Health care, like politics, is mostly local. A nationwide, aggregate measure of hospital/ICU capacity is of limited usefulness because it's not easy to transfer patients from hard-hit areas to distant hospitals with available beds. But sure, I guess we *could* load up a bunch of covid patients on a plane and ship them from, say, Texas to Wisconsin.

Here in Ohio, hospitals are reluctant to suspend elective procedures, because that's how they make most of their revenue, and they took a huge hit last year. Each health system is justifying business as usual by reasoning that if a covid surge hits, they can just transfer patients somewhere else. That's great, but the entire state is playing chicken with everyone else, and we're just whistling in the dark until a statewide surge forces everyone to dial it back.

I guess GOP governors are planning to do that on a national scale?

Just for funsies I looked up my residency hospital. 21 of 22 full-service ICU beds taken. I've never seen that.


We are out of space in the ICU, and we are putting bodies in freezer trucks. One of the lowest covid incident states per capita.
 
2021-09-14 10:29:10 PM  

gaslight: Not that things are perfect elsewhere but I cannot help but wonder how much of this is due to the American cult of individualism. Let me give an example: in the other G7 countries there are various national health systems. All of these offer abortions. Sure the rules are different in each case but there's no way the politicians are going to deny this to fifty per cent of the taxpaying adults.

This makes abortion a done and dusted issue in those countries - yes, I am simplifying.

Not that there are not antivax loonies outside of the US, but with national health systems everyone has a stake, and responsibility. All of our choices together have an impact on our taxes. Public health is literally something we all have a stake in.

A cult of individualism doesn't help in population-wide problems.

Again, I'm not claiming life elsewhere is a utopia.

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It's all individualism and core tenets of the right. Viewed from their lens, it's almost expected. Paying folks to not work, government telling people what to do, throw in a sprinkle of blame china, massive spending bills, shutting down mom and pop businesses, government control. A narrative is being pushed that conflicts with the core party beliefs. Of course it is a shiat show.

There is a laundry list of things happening that make this a perfect storm, if you will.
 
2021-09-14 10:31:52 PM  

madgonad: thegreatmurgatroid: Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.

You said a bunch of other wrong things, but I want to focus on this.

ERs and ICUs have elevated staffing requirements. As ICUs fill up more staff is brought in to maintain enough head count to meet the needs of every occupied room. As entire wards are transitioned from standard hospital wards to Covid ICUs the hospital has to find a LOT more nurses and medical professionals. They are paying huge bonuses to skilled nurses to cover additional shifts because the hospital may currently requires 120 nurses onsite at all hours when they previously only needed 70. A friend has been offered as much as a $1,200 differential to cover an additional shift when a new ward was converted to ICU. Nurses are certified, highly skilled, and well trained. You can't just put up a Help Wanted sign and train some English majors to treat patients over a couple weeks. Retired nurses have been reentering the job market to make serious money, but the numbers aren't huge because retired nurses are often at greater risk for serious Covid symptoms if (when) they finally catch it due to patient exposure.


Travel agencies are paying in excess of 6k a week in some places.
 
2021-09-14 10:35:51 PM  

jumac: valenumr: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: jumac: going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.

That's what they're going to try, but OSHA is well established and unless they get a ruling saying COVID-19 isn't an occupational risk, they're going to lose badly.

This isn't a vaccine mandate on everyone. That would be a state matter. This is a vaccine mandate within already granted federal powers.

I think most of the legal pushback will come from the private businesses. Biden is the boss of the executive branch, and a vast majority of federal employees work for him. He can totally mandate a vax there. Federal contractors under the executive branch as well. Could be that using OSHA is an over reach of executive power, but I think we're gonna find out.

most private business will like it.  take the issue out of their hands and gives them some protection form lawsuits.


I hope so.
 
2021-09-14 10:42:13 PM  

jumac: valenumr: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: jumac: going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.

That's what they're going to try, but OSHA is well established and unless they get a ruling saying COVID-19 isn't an occupational risk, they're going to lose badly.

This isn't a vaccine mandate on everyone. That would be a state matter. This is a vaccine mandate within already granted federal powers.

I think most of the legal pushback will come from the private businesses. Biden is the boss of the executive branch, and a vast majority of federal employees work for him. He can totally mandate a vax there. Federal contractors under the executive branch as well. Could be that using OSHA is an over reach of executive power, but I think we're gonna find out.

most private business will like it.  take the issue out of their hands and gives them some protection form lawsuits.


So, I think the point your missing is a lot of small businesses are pissed about previous shutdowns. There is a lot of distrust in that world. The rules made big box stores and major chains have a huge advantage earlier. I don't mean to start an argument or anything.
 
2021-09-14 11:29:29 PM  
Propaganda 101: Blame all problems on your opponents no matter what. Then you can free yourself of fault.
 
2021-09-15 10:51:41 AM  

valenumr: We are out of space in the ICU, and we are putting bodies in freezer trucks. One of the lowest covid incident states per capita.


We're not there yet, but I can sense it coming if things get any worse this fall/winter.
 
2021-09-15 12:06:33 PM  

DiggFerkel: Propaganda 101: Blame all problems on your opponents no matter what. Then you can free yourself of fault.


Cool, more BSAB nonsense. Or maybe the data proves that vaxxed people are less likely to contract the virus and in cases where they do they are extremely less likely to be hospitalized and further less likely to end up in the ICU and intubated. In all areas of measure, unvaxxed people make up the the overwhelming majority of C19 patients like require intervention at a medical facility. This is not about opinion, it's about facts.
 
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