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2021-09-14 11:46:28 AM  

madgonad: flucto: Dude/Doodah. I'm sorry for your loss. My best-ever boss once told me that one should never spend even one second trying to understand crazy, its motivations, goals, etc. It's beyond reason by definition. That's where we are I think. 100,000,000 crazy people who are beyond the reach of reason, sympathy, empathy, patriotism, or even care for their own lives. It's impossible to understand or to reason with.

You and your boss are right, but sometimes crazy doesn't give you other options. Or maybe sometimes you just have to try even though you don't stand a chance. Tens of thousands of anti-vaxers are switching sides every day now. I would like to think that this is a result of somebody that they care about finally talking some sense into them.


If by 'talking sense' you mean dying of covid, sure. Seems like that's been a pretty common story for a bit now.
 
2021-09-14 11:49:45 AM  

thehobbes: Fark_Guy_Rob: We should stop treating vaccinated people - they made poor life choices and now should suffer the consequences.

They'll just lie. Same people are the ones who flooded VAERS with reports of vaccine reactions and fatalities.

They have no accountability.


Under my system, medical records would be detailed and controlled by the government run healthcare system. They'd know. Either using microchips or biometrics. If anyone was unidentifiable (say we use fingerprints but you are severely burned and they can't read it) then you'd get treatment until they can identify you. Provided you are compliant with the medical requirements, treatment will continue.

If you are not compliant they'd transport you to the exterior of the building. You'd be liable for the cost of all treatment incurred, naturally.
 
2021-09-14 11:50:56 AM  

flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: flucto: TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.

"Because people on sidewalks are sometimes hit by cars it makes no sense to pretend it's more dangerous to stand in the middle of the freeway."

Being vaccinated doesn't stop people from carrying and spreading the virus. Blaming unvaccinated people negates the need for the vaccinated to continue to social distance and wear a mask.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updat​es/2021/08/breakthrough-infections

Spoiler:  .02% of fully vaccinated people are getting breakthrough infections weekly. That's 35,000 out of approximately 1,000,0000 cases at the current rates. So sure, allocate 3.5% of the blame if you want but let's not leave out the other 96.5% from the blame analysis.

A vaccine trains the immune system the recognize and fight a pathogen. It is not a magic forcefield that stops the virus from entering a human body. The virus can still enter the body and can still replicate.  If it is in a person it can leave a person via the normal infectious vectors.

It seems like you're leaving viral load out of your calculation.  The vaccine helps the immune system fight off the infection and that means that the viral load in most vaccinated people is going to be far lower. That means they are not contagious or are fare less than they otherwise would have been.

How is this a bad thing or a thing to dismiss?


Not only is it going to be lower, it will also leave the body much more quickly in a vaccinated person.

Does that mean that until we reach a level of herd immunity so that the virus dies off in the herd due to lack of hosts that it can latch onto and replicate we should not practice mitigation strategies such as still social distancing/wearing masks-no. But our resident Covidiots don't seem to think that is necessary, they would rather take horse de-wormer, a bleach enema, of aquarium cleaners.
 
2021-09-14 11:51:47 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: You can blame anti-vaxer types for the hospital shortages we're facing and certainly for a bunch of deaths, but the odds of them being the cause of a variant are pretty small


But the chance of them developing the variant that eludes the vaccine are significantly higher.

Fark_Guy_Rob: They'd know. Either using microchips or biometrics.


Sigh. Now to figure out the logistics of blackmarket microchips to sell to the unvaccinated.
 
2021-09-14 12:03:17 PM  

WilderKWight: Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: You could have just linked this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co​rrupted_Blood_incident

I don't play WoW, but that's hilarious.


My favorite part was this

Experts 2005: "This isn't reflective of reality, no one would intentionally spread an epidemic like this"


Experts 2021:
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2021-09-14 12:07:12 PM  

thehobbes: But the chance of them developing the variant that eludes the vaccine are significantly higher.


I still don't see how that isn't the case everywhere? If the US had strict border controls and (for example) Nigeria didn't have any vaccine - then sure, the local population of unvaccinated would be a major concern.

But the same vaccines are already in all of these countries and we're slowly increasing the number of vaccinated in those countries. And the scale is an order of magnitude larger than what we have in the US with our antivax folks.

The virus doesn't care if I'm not vaccinated because 'Muh FREEDUMBS!!!' or because my country isn't wealthy enough, right? And all of these other countries will have a slowly growing number of vaccinated that would give the same opportunity for variants to develop alongside the vaccinated.
 
2021-09-14 12:09:35 PM  

CrashTheGame: Just wanted to point out that basically every comment made here is sophistry.


You can't really know that about anyone's comments but your own, so thanks for admitting this so we know not to take you seriously.
 
2021-09-14 12:09:45 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: But the same vaccines are already in all of these countries


No, they're not.
 
2021-09-14 12:13:51 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I guess GOP governors are planning to do that on a national scale?


No, because its not their responsibility to find hospital places for patients. They are completely removed from the consequences of their policies. That is the local jackhole with no tv interview access's problem.
 
2021-09-14 12:21:41 PM  

Extra Virgin Geek Olive Oil: You could have just linked this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co​rrupted_Blood_incident


One or two of our hunters may have been sad when they hotfixed Burning Adrenaline to disappear when you left the instance since they could no longer instant-cast their hearthstone to suicide bomb the Ironforge inn.
 
2021-09-14 12:25:26 PM  
Someone's going to have a loved one dying and rejected from a hospital, and that someone is gonna be both heavily armed and out of farks to give.

Whether that loved one is vaccinated or unvaccinated will determine my level of sympathy for when that person decides to "evict" covid patients from the ICU via lead-based termination of health services.
 
2021-09-14 12:29:19 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.


I get it. My sister and a lot of other family members have refused to get vaxxed and so far they've been lucky.

Honestly though... if any of them got it and had to go to the hospital I'm not sure how I'd feel about it. I've pretty much cut them out of my life because of the rampant Trumper crap. If it was my dad (he's vaxxed but only after I literally begged) I'd be devastated if this was how he died.

My nephew is getting married in December and already told my anti vaxxer relatives they can't come if they aren't vaccinated so it'll be interesting when they show up anyway because they just laughed it off.
 
2021-09-14 12:31:13 PM  
What % of beds were filled say 3 years ago?
 
2021-09-14 12:35:23 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I still don't see how that isn't the case everywhere? If the US had strict border controls and (for example) Nigeria didn't have any vaccine - then sure, the local population of unvaccinated would be a major concern.


I fear we're seeing more breakthrough cases as the virus is mutating to undermine the vaccine. Since the viral load is a thousand times higher with Delta than the original COVID-19 variant, that's 1000x more chances for the replication error (mutation) developing.

I hadn't seen anything about the viral load levels in breakthrough cases yet though, or if neutralization just takes place faster keeping viral loads down, but theoretically, the virus that does cause symptoms in the vaccinated can likely be spread...

above my paygrade though.
 
2021-09-14 12:36:45 PM  

TheVirginMarty: I still don't understand why people are blaming people who have not been vaccinated. Where does it say that any of the vaccines prevent infection? They help reduce the severity of and infection when that person becomes infected. Everyone who contacts the virus can spread it.

Maybe it's people who were vaccinated and are acting like they are immune from infection which are the problem. Maybe they need to stay socially distant and keep wearing masks so that they don't get and spread the virus.


DIAF
 
2021-09-14 12:44:12 PM  
The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.
 
2021-09-14 12:48:15 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.


This has to be one of if not the most stupid thing I read all day bout this.  What you are say is so full of fiction and has nothing based on fact.

Those of use who are saying its unvaccined cause this have read the data and follow those who have the facts not the stupid morons who spread false info with nothing to back them up.
 
2021-09-14 12:50:39 PM  
I feel like there was a canary in that coalmine at some point...oh right...ITALY 2020.
 
2021-09-14 12:53:29 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.


If you're claiming that anything like 70% of hospitalizations are vaccinated people, however chunky, you are really, really out there on a weird lunatic fringe.
 
2021-09-14 12:53:55 PM  
Declare martial law Biden. Make people do the right things!
 
2021-09-14 12:56:28 PM  

jumac: thegreatmurgatroid: The amount of misinformation in this thread is astounding and much of it is being displayed by pro-vaxxers.

Pro-vaxxers please understand you are being emotionally manipulated with propaganda.  If everyone was vaccinated, there would still be out of control cases just like is happening in many places with 80%+ vax rates.  The effectivity of the vaccine wanes after several months and obese people in particular are having significant breakthrough infections with 70%+ of hospitalizations being in obese individuals.

Re-opening and dropping social distancing is driving the spike in infection rates, not low vaccination rates.  Obesity and general poor health is driving American hospitalizations in particular.

Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.

This has to be one of if not the most stupid thing I read all day bout this.  What you are say is so full of fiction and has nothing based on fact.

Those of use who are saying its unvaccined cause this have read the data and follow those who have the facts not the stupid morons who spread false info with nothing to back them up.


Ive not only read the data but am a medical expert myself and have been on the front lines the entirety of the pandemic.  I would I am one of the highest credentialed on fark in regards to the covid pandemic in both terms of formal education and actual experience.

I am telling you that most of you have no idea what you're talking about.  You are just repeating things you've heard, just as you claim the "plague rats" are doing.
 
2021-09-14 1:08:05 PM  

Parthenogenetic: As of Monday morning, more than 96,000 hospital beds are filled with Covid-19 patients nationwide -- contributing to the 77% of all hospital beds across the country being currently in use, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services. About 80% of intensive care unit beds are in use.

Hospitals in some places are closer to capacity than in others.

Health care, like politics, is mostly local. A nationwide, aggregate measure of hospital/ICU capacity is of limited usefulness because it's not easy to transfer patients from hard-hit areas to distant hospitals with available beds. But sure, I guess we *could* load up a bunch of covid patients on a plane and ship them from, say, Texas to Wisconsin.

Here in Ohio, hospitals are reluctant to suspend elective procedures, because that's how they make most of their revenue, and they took a huge hit last year. Each health system is justifying business as usual by reasoning that if a covid surge hits, they can just transfer patients somewhere else. That's great, but the entire state is playing chicken with everyone else, and we're just whistling in the dark until a statewide surge forces everyone to dial it back.

I guess GOP governors are planning to do that on a national scale?


Just for funsies I looked up my residency hospital. 21 of 22 full-service ICU beds taken. I've never seen that.
 
2021-09-14 1:17:24 PM  

Rapmaster2000: asmodeus224: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

They are waiting on Nicki Manaj to complete her research, duh.

"They want you to get vaccinated for the Met," Minaj, 38, tweeted Monday night. "if I get vaccinated it won't for the Met. It'll be once I feel I've done enough research. I'm working on that now."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicki-min​aj-covid-vaccine-met-gala/

"Feel I've done enough research.  I'm working on that now."

So she's up late peer reviewing the Pfizer data?


Most certainly!
 
2021-09-14 1:54:43 PM  

dumbobruni: I'm currently waiting for PCR results to see if I have a breakthrough case.

Thanks a lot you antivax shiatheads


I'm sorry. :( I hope it comes back negative.
 
2021-09-14 2:03:17 PM  

Wesdog: Since the blame lies directly at the feet of people who won't get vaccinated and who still refuse to wear masks or social distance it is entirely appropriate and necessary to blame and shame them publicly as loudly as we can to as many people as possible. I learned about respiratory viruses in middle school health class. Wearing a mask reduces transmission of that kind of virus. I've known this since I was 11 in 6th grade.


Ironically if you were 11 today you'd be learning that in a building full of unvaccinated kids where social distancing and mask-wearing all day is logistically impossible.
 
2021-09-14 2:07:48 PM  

dumbobruni: I'm currently waiting for PCR results to see if I have a breakthrough case.

Thanks a lot you antivax shiatheads


My wife recently had a breakthrough case, but 3 PCR tests all came back negative. An at-home antigen kit showed pale pink (it is like a pregnancy test) so positive, but barely, twice. She had a fever off and on for 6 days, with dizzyness while warm, but otherwise felt fine when she wasn't feverish.

Best of luck, and be aware that the PCR isn't necessarily indicative; it is binary, either you meet the threshold or you don't, while the antigen is more analog and can provide more... nuanced information and may allow you to avoid a false negative.

Also, her first antigen test strip did not turn pink in the 10 minutes specified; it did, however, turn pink sometime in the next 2 days as when she next looked at it 3 days later it had gone pink. The second test (24h later) was a very faint pink in the 10 minutes, and got brighter as time went on.
 
2021-09-14 2:11:53 PM  
madgonad:

Well, three weeks ago I watched my father die in the ICU.

I am very sorry for your loss. My sincerest sympathies.
 
2021-09-14 2:14:17 PM  
Is the economics of running a hospital the same as that of running a restaurant? In other words, the more tables / beds you have filled, the more money you make in the long run (even if you do have to bring in extra staff, etc., to manage the rush) ?

Or would that comparison work only if everyone receiving services at a hospital could pay full price for them in a timely fashion? (Which will never happen in the U.S., of course.)
 
2021-09-14 2:18:55 PM  

kpaxoid: jso2897: kpaxoid: Does no one remember the "flattening the curve" lockdowns?

A lot of people remember it.  So what?
Got a point?

Just wondering why they're not happening now.


Because Banana Joe has it all under control!
 
2021-09-14 2:36:31 PM  
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2021-09-14 2:50:42 PM  
Not that things are perfect elsewhere but I cannot help but wonder how much of this is due to the American cult of individualism. Let me give an example: in the other G7 countries there are various national health systems. All of these offer abortions. Sure the rules are different in each case but there's no way the politicians are going to deny this to fifty per cent of the taxpaying adults.

This makes abortion a done and dusted issue in those countries - yes, I am simplifying.

Not that there are not antivax loonies outside of the US, but with national health systems everyone has a stake, and responsibility. All of our choices together have an impact on our taxes. Public health is literally something we all have a stake in.

A cult of individualism doesn't help in population-wide problems.

Again, I'm not claiming life elsewhere is a utopia.

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2021-09-14 3:13:02 PM  

gaslight: Not that things are perfect elsewhere but I cannot help but wonder how much of this is due to the American cult of individualism. Let me give an example: in the other G7 countries there are various national health systems. All of these offer abortions. Sure the rules are different in each case but there's no way the politicians are going to deny this to fifty per cent of the taxpaying adults.

This makes abortion a done and dusted issue in those countries - yes, I am simplifying.

Not that there are not antivax loonies outside of the US, but with national health systems everyone has a stake, and responsibility. All of our choices together have an impact on our taxes. Public health is literally something we all have a stake in.

A cult of individualism doesn't help in population-wide problems.

Again, I'm not claiming life elsewhere is a utopia.

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and those other countries have fewer abortions.  Almost like the the policies of those that claim to be pro-life are actually just anti-life and anti-women's rights.
 
2021-09-14 3:13:37 PM  

great_tigers: My FIL got the vaccine. Just spent a week in the ICU.


Did he die?  If not, then maybe that shot saved him
 
2021-09-14 3:42:19 PM  

Clearly Canadian: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]


This ones a keeper
 
2021-09-14 3:50:14 PM  

db2: I don't think the Hippocratic oath says anything about declining to treat a patient. Tell the voluntarily unvaccinated to take a hike.


In California at least, anyone who walks into an ER MUST be treated, regardless of culpability in their injury or ability to pay for care. I am not sure about the rest of the country, but legally the hospital cannot turn them away if they ask for care.
 
2021-09-14 3:57:01 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.


You said a bunch of other wrong things, but I want to focus on this.

ERs and ICUs have elevated staffing requirements. As ICUs fill up more staff is brought in to maintain enough head count to meet the needs of every occupied room. As entire wards are transitioned from standard hospital wards to Covid ICUs the hospital has to find a LOT more nurses and medical professionals. They are paying huge bonuses to skilled nurses to cover additional shifts because the hospital may currently requires 120 nurses onsite at all hours when they previously only needed 70. A friend has been offered as much as a $1,200 differential to cover an additional shift when a new ward was converted to ICU. Nurses are certified, highly skilled, and well trained. You can't just put up a Help Wanted sign and train some English majors to treat patients over a couple weeks. Retired nurses have been reentering the job market to make serious money, but the numbers aren't huge because retired nurses are often at greater risk for serious Covid symptoms if (when) they finally catch it due to patient exposure.
 
2021-09-14 4:25:44 PM  

madgonad: thegreatmurgatroid: Also, most "capacity" issues in American hospitals are the result of lack of staffing.  Entire inpatient wards of hospitals are closed due to lacking staff.  ERs are having to board admitted patients because nobody else is available to provide their inpatient care because so many staff have left the front lines.

You said a bunch of other wrong things, but I want to focus on this.

ERs and ICUs have elevated staffing requirements. As ICUs fill up more staff is brought in to maintain enough head count to meet the needs of every occupied room. As entire wards are transitioned from standard hospital wards to Covid ICUs the hospital has to find a LOT more nurses and medical professionals. They are paying huge bonuses to skilled nurses to cover additional shifts because the hospital may currently requires 120 nurses onsite at all hours when they previously only needed 70. A friend has been offered as much as a $1,200 differential to cover an additional shift when a new ward was converted to ICU. Nurses are certified, highly skilled, and well trained. You can't just put up a Help Wanted sign and train some English majors to treat patients over a couple weeks. Retired nurses have been reentering the job market to make serious money, but the numbers aren't huge because retired nurses are often at greater risk for serious Covid symptoms if (when) they finally catch it due to patient exposure.


^^^This so much.
Where I live, the regional health care systems are offering a bonus $15,000 to new nurse hires.
An example:
https://careers.upmc.com/jobs/6982852​-​professional-staff-nurse-med-surg-4d-1​5000-dollars-sign-on-bonus
 
2021-09-14 4:36:28 PM  

I sound fat: Hospitals would refer to this as under capacity.


Yep
 
2021-09-14 5:23:29 PM  

bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?


Hospitals that are for profit entities are not optimized for the public good, they are optimized for profitability. The public good does not affect the bottom line. Good job America.
 
2021-09-14 5:45:53 PM  

Por que tan serioso: dumbobruni: I'm currently waiting for PCR results to see if I have a breakthrough case.

Thanks a lot you antivax shiatheads

Damn son. Hope you make it.


Well it's not covid, just a bad summer cold.

Antivaxxers are still shiatheads tho
 
2021-09-14 6:12:52 PM  

TheVirginMarty: What I'm really getting at is that the popular trend is just blame the unvaxed. They are a part of the problem. The millions of morons in the world who think having a vaccine means they can go back to risky behavior is the bigger problem.


You're remarkably stupid.
 
2021-09-14 6:49:24 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: Ive not only read the data but am a medical expert myself and have been on the front lines the entirety of the pandemic. I would I am one of the highest credentialed on fark in regards to the covid pandemic in both terms of formal education and actual experience.


And this is your wife.

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2021-09-14 6:53:52 PM  

thegreatmurgatroid: Ive not only read the data but am a medical expert myself and have been on the front lines the entirety of the pandemic.  I would I am one of the highest credentialed on fark in regards to the covid pandemic in both terms of formal education and actual experience.


From my reading and teaching at university, the vaccine is necesary but not sufficient. We need higher vacciantion numbers, and also to lockdown and quarantine for a few weeks o that the vaccine can do its thing, like every previous vaccine required. Then we can minlge in ouir 21st century nearly-borderles high density and high-speed society again. WIthout lockdown and quarantine for a few weeks, the vaccines will wane before they can actually put the Delta variant to bed.

However, there are so many people refusing to get vaccinated, and those same people are insisting that they mingle (I had an anti-vax pizza delivery guy a few weeks ago, a job that goes toe very door in town, so no more pizza for me yikes). Step One for every person is to get vaccinated and then Step Two: Lockdown Booglaoo will work. Until then, apparently, even reducing my contact to near nothing and ordering deliveries is not going to out-maneuver the unvaxxed.
 
2021-09-14 7:02:29 PM  

TheVirginMarty: The viral load of delta is ridiculously high. Some say up to 1,000% higher in delta. Even if there's a 90% reduction in viral load due to vaccine the load is still elevated in delta.

What I'm really getting at is that the popular trend is just blame the unvaxed. They are a part of the problem. The millions of morons in the world who think having a vaccine means they can go back to risky behavior is the bigger problem.

The ones who are piling into theme parks and riding attractions which haven't been wiped down after rides. The people crowding in venues like dance clubs again. How many millions are going to decide that a shot means no more hand washing in those conditions?


Your whole point is demonstrably false.  You can easily correlate reduced hospitalizations and deaths to higher vaccination rates in Blue states and other countries like Canada.
 
2021-09-14 8:05:00 PM  
Some new Comrades of Curtis seem to be out pushing the anti-vaxxer bullshiat.
 
2021-09-14 8:16:20 PM  

Eightballjacket: bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?

It's in the article, they have to, it is federal law. ERs are often full of people who do dumb and/or illegal things and get treatment.


The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act or EMTALA requires hospitals with emergency departments to provide a medical screening exam to any person who comes to the emergency department and requests care. The law also prohibits hospitals with emergency departments from refusing to examine or treat people with emergency medical conditions.Now, during the pandemic, many of the Covid-19 patients filling hospital beds are unvaccinated. EMTALA obligations remain in place.


Screening. That's what they must provide. I've seen it posted in urgent care clinics in the normal times. But not treatment. Executive order here has authorized full triage with exemption from any liability on the hospital and it's staff. Welcome to the new normal.
 
2021-09-14 8:16:42 PM  

great_tigers: great_tigers: My FIL got the vaccine. Just spent a week in the ICU.

That said, I firmly believe the only reason why he isn't dead is because he got the vaccine.


Mine too.
 
2021-09-14 8:17:52 PM  

falkone32: kpaxoid: Does no one remember the "flattening the curve" lockdowns?

Yes and they're not going to let it happen again, sadly.


Oh, that ship has sailed. To bad we could pack all the covidiots onto a free seven day cruise to the Bermuda triangle
 
2021-09-14 8:19:20 PM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: Rapmaster2000: What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

They're waiting for their radio hosts, bloggers, propagandists and Twitter doctors to give them the okay to do so.

Which is futile, because any new development is just twisted and turned into more insipidly stupid motherf*cking bullsh*t conspiracy.

Pfizer getting full approval should have been the end of this, but noooo, the same assholes pushing this nonsense from the beginning had to start screaming that it wasn't fully approved yet because "Comirnaty is a different formulation" than the shiat people have been getting for 18 goddamn months.


Let's not forget that the deep state "invented" Delta to keep everyone in line.

/S
 
2021-09-14 8:22:57 PM  

jumac: we had a talk bout this other day at work.  i have a coworker who is saying that the hospital are lying.  Shes a anti-covid person(saids it a real thing but that we are blowing it way out of proportion.)

She claims

1. that hospitals have the beds but because they are making their staff get the vaccine and so many are quiting/getting fired that they are under staff and if they just stop they be all fine.

2. that people have gone into hospitals with hidden cameras and gotten videos of crap ton of empty beds. (none of which i can find online lol).

3. that the mainstream media is lying to us for the gov.  and they are hidden the truth from us. and that only the non mainstream media is telling it like it is.

Trying to explain stuff to her bout how rights work and stuff and she go off the deep end.  to her our right are 100% active all the time and can never be limited.


Regarding number 2) I finally went into a deep dive on the sorryantivaxxer.com site. Comments and all. There is a commenter there that copypasta the same claim in many threads: the site is just cherry picking, and it would be easy to find as many cases of folks dying horribly from the vaccine. It's farking sad tbh.
 
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