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2021-09-14 9:07:48 AM  

Robo Beat: Carthax: AdmirableSnackbar: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

They're waiting for science-based information that tells them that they shouldn't get vaccinated to justify their behavior. That's it. It's just a way for them to justify not getting the shots, they're every bit the anti-vaxxers while trying to appear not pants-on-head insane.

Yup.  I unfriended and blocked someone on facebook last night because she was "just asking questions" about the safety of the shot, and why "AA folks aren't getting it, or Mexicans."  Just some "true concern for the safety of the vaccine," she said, and we "just need a little more testing to be certain it's safe."

::sigh::  Go fark yourself, antivaxxer.  I'm over this shiat.  Get vaccinated or get off my wall.  And if you claim to be vaccinated, we hang out in-person, and I find out later you weren't vaccinated?  "DONE" doesn't even begin to describe how completely finished our relationship is.  You endanger my family, and you can fark right off.

The combination of "antivaxxer" and "still actively reads and posts on Facebook" is basically a two-strikes-and-you're-out deal for me at this point.  I've had to do some pruning, to be sure.


I've only had to disown one friend. She was the healing crystal, healthy diet to beat disease type, but she was always mostly harmless. Then she started advocating for pointing a hairdryer down your throat to kill the virus. Yeeted her right the fark out of my life.

Have one other friend I've mentioned here before who's a major conspiracy nutter but again, mostly harmless. Until all this it was mainly about aliens and whatnot. I wouldn't stand for any of his vaccine conspiracy bullshiat, he called me brainwashed, and blocked me. About 6 weeks later he was messaging me apologizing profusely because he was sick. He's now the only one of 3 people I personally know who got sick that has lived. 33% is better than 0% I guess.
 
2021-09-14 9:08:26 AM  

db2: I don't think the Hippocratic oath says anything about declining to treat a patient. Tell the voluntarily unvaccinated to take a hike.


EMTALA and professional duty >>> some mostly ceremonial oath

Are we going to refuse to treat known criminals, drug addicts, and The Dutch?
 
2021-09-14 9:08:50 AM  

crackizzle: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

Initial shots for the public wer in late Dec 2020. So, even from the public side it's been 9 months.


The vaccine trial.  That began in March 2020.  It's the same vaccine.

On March 16, 2020, Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute gave the first-ever injection of an investigational vaccine for the 2019 novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, to volunteers participating in phase one of the federally sponsored clinical trial.
This is the first vaccine trial for this virus, which causes COVID-19, in humans. The KPWHRI trial began recruiting participants on March 3.
"We are proud that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases selected us to conduct this innovative trial," said Lisa Jackson, MD, MPH, senior investigator at KPWHRI. "We're well prepared and focused on helping to address this evolving health situation." Dr. Jackson is the lead researcher for the study, funded by the National Institutes of Health.
The investigational vaccine is called mRNA-1273 and made by Moderna. The vaccine is made using a new process that is much faster than older methods of making vaccines.  It does not contain any part of the actual coronavirus and cannot cause infection. Instead, it includes a short segment of messenger RNA that is made in a lab.
 
2021-09-14 9:10:30 AM  
going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.

Now under the 1905 case the SCOTUS said that the state have the right and responsibility  to put into place limitations for people who are considered a threat at this time.

Could any lawsuit brought by a state backfire?  I mean could it get to SCOTUS and the judges go well if you states had been doing your job then the pres wouldn't have to do this.  I know some say that the feds should try and use the commerce clause to take over control of how we deal with this. could SCOTUS say the states messed up so bad that they are turn it over to the feds?
 
2021-09-14 9:10:47 AM  

Parthenogenetic: As of Monday morning, more than 96,000 hospital beds are filled with Covid-19 patients nationwide -- contributing to the 77% of all hospital beds across the country being currently in use, according to data from the US Department of Health and Human Services. About 80% of intensive care unit beds are in use.

Hospitals in some places are closer to capacity than in others.

Health care, like politics, is mostly local. A nationwide, aggregate measure of hospital/ICU capacity is of limited usefulness because it's not easy to transfer patients from hard-hit areas to distant hospitals with available beds. But sure, I guess we *could* load up a bunch of covid patients on a plane and ship them from, say, Texas to Wisconsin.

Here in Ohio, hospitals are reluctant to suspend elective procedures, because that's how they make most of their revenue, and they took a huge hit last year. Each health system is justifying business as usual by reasoning that if a covid surge hits, they can just transfer patients somewhere else. That's great, but the entire state is playing chicken with everyone else, and we're just whistling in the dark until a statewide surge forces everyone to dial it back.

I guess GOP governors are planning to do that on a national scale?


Christ, our healthcare system sucks...
 
2021-09-14 9:13:03 AM  

bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?


the same reason they admit chain smokers with lung cancer?

Or 600 pound people with diabetes?
 
2021-09-14 9:13:24 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

They're waiting for science-based information that tells them that they shouldn't get vaccinated to justify their behavior. That's it. It's just a way for them to justify not getting the shots, they're every bit the anti-vaxxers while trying to appear not pants-on-head insane.


THIS

They thought they had it when the J&J and Astra-Zennica vaccines got put on hold over blood clots. Didn't matter that the risk for clots was incredibly low, lower than birth control pills even, but that was many of their "THIS IS IT" moment.

I'm honestly surprised some conservative think-tank hasn't funded a counter study on the vaccine much like they do with fossil fuels.
 
2021-09-14 9:13:50 AM  

Rapmaster2000: crackizzle: Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?

Initial shots for the public wer in late Dec 2020. So, even from the public side it's been 9 months.

The vaccine trial.  That began in March 2020.  It's the same vaccine.

On March 16, 2020, Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute gave the first-ever injection of an investigational vaccine for the 2019 novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, to volunteers participating in phase one of the federally sponsored clinical trial.
This is the first vaccine trial for this virus, which causes COVID-19, in humans. The KPWHRI trial began recruiting participants on March 3.
"We are proud that the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases selected us to conduct this innovative trial," said Lisa Jackson, MD, MPH, senior investigator at KPWHRI. "We're well prepared and focused on helping to address this evolving health situation." Dr. Jackson is the lead researcher for the study, funded by the National Institutes of Health.
The investigational vaccine is called mRNA-1273 and made by Moderna. The vaccine is made using a new process that is much faster than older methods of making vaccines.  It does not contain any part of the actual coronavirus and cannot cause infection. Instead, it includes a short segment of messenger RNA that is made in a lab.


Wasn't disagreeing. Just saying non trial participants I know got shots on Christmas Eve. So, even from the perspective of someone who doesn't trust the scientists the real world test has been ongoing for this long.
 
2021-09-14 9:14:13 AM  
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2021-09-14 9:16:18 AM  
As amusing as it is to watch antiva Confederate assholes kill themselves with methfolk remedies when they're not dying of covid, can we please just do another shutdown and end at least some of this lunacy? I'm imagining doctors at this point walking off the job to become a plumber because dealing with literal shiat is better than this dumbass nightmare.
 
2021-09-14 9:16:19 AM  

jumac: going ask a question here bout Biden vaccine mandate for business over 100 employees.   I know some state are saying they going sue.  I would guess they are going say that its a state right power not a fed power to order something like that.


That's what they're going to try, but OSHA is well established and unless they get a ruling saying COVID-19 isn't an occupational risk, they're going to lose badly.

This isn't a vaccine mandate on everyone. That would be a state matter. This is a vaccine mandate within already granted federal powers.
 
2021-09-14 9:18:28 AM  

lindalouwho: BizarreMan: bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?

Because Hippocrates or something.

Isn't this the month when insurance stops paying for COVID hospitalization expenses?

Health insurance isn't going to do that.
I'm going to guess that insurance premiums will go up in the near future, though, a few already have.


We're a month or two away from open enrollment for many insurance plans. I wonder how many of them will have provisos regarding vaccination.
 
2021-09-14 9:19:02 AM  

The Headless Horseman's Headless Horse: They're waiting for their radio hosts, bloggers, propagandists and Twitter doctors to give them the okay to do so.


Considering how they're dropping like flies, maybe the next crop might be the answer.

I doubt it though.
 
2021-09-14 9:21:01 AM  

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"Don't tread on my breathing tube!"
 
2021-09-14 9:21:48 AM  

Trainspotr: lindalouwho: BizarreMan: bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?

Because Hippocrates or something.

Isn't this the month when insurance stops paying for COVID hospitalization expenses?

Health insurance isn't going to do that.
I'm going to guess that insurance premiums will go up in the near future, though, a few already have.

We're a month or two away from open enrollment for many insurance plans. I wonder how many of them will have provisos regarding vaccination.


You get back to us with citations, mmkay?
 
2021-09-14 9:21:53 AM  

Wobambo: I'm imagining doctors at this point walking off the job to become a plumber because dealing with literal shiat is better than this dumbass nightmare.


Being a doctor still has perks.
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2021-09-14 9:24:21 AM  
Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.
 
2021-09-14 9:28:38 AM  

Rapmaster2000: It does not contain any part of the actual coronavirus and cannot cause infection. Instead, it includes a short segment of messenger RNA that is made in a lab.


This is the single most important piece of information, it's also one of the biggest medical breakthroughs in history.

I keep saying this. mRNA vaccines should have been a huge celebratory event when it was discovered, and even more so when they finally found a suspension serum that slowed the degradation of the RNA's half-life down.

They missed the marketing opportunities for this 50 years ago. But I get it, while it was a major milestone in medical science, the fact that it took 50 years to develop the tech to slow the half-life of RNA down was a shadow on that milestone.

With the right marketing though both events could have been huge celebrations.

I hope we do have a global celebration when they find a shelf stable serum for mRNA vaccines. If we could get even 30 days of shelf stability without the need for special freezer equipment, that would be cause for worldwide celebration as it would mean every disease specialists would turn their focus on creating mRNA vaccines. There would be a race to come up with the mRNA code for every single known disease and we could virtually end viral infections in humans.

Of course, it would only come in time for us to watch the sun set on this planet after we've stripped it, scorched it or flooded it, and poisoned all the potable water from it.
 
2021-09-14 9:29:36 AM  
what is the baseline occupancy rate for hospitals?
 
2021-09-14 9:32:29 AM  

Neil B. for Zod: What percentage should be taken?  Honest question... one of biggest abuses of statistics is to omit the context that provides meaning.  The article also carefully lists beds in use by Covid patients as a number and not percentage so there is absolutely no way to compare the relative impact.

To top it off, the article then links to a dashboard, the bane of any contextual understanding.

The Internet (and modern journalism) is making us dumber.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1​8​5904/hospital-occupancy-rate-in-the-us​-since-2001/

Seems like the mid 60s is the average, however that is yearly. I can't find any data that breaks it down seasonaly\monthly, which is what we should really look at, but even that is a very broad stroke.
 
2021-09-14 9:35:01 AM  

Great_Milenko: bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?

the same reason they admit chain smokers with lung cancer?

Or 600 pound people with diabetes?


Those conditions are not contagious.
 
2021-09-14 9:37:29 AM  
It'S jUsT tHe FlU.

When is the last time the flu shut down hospital admissions and had to stack bodies in hallways? farking 1918. School buses and winter pileups fills a hospistal for a day or 2. Not MONTHS at a time. GFYs magamaskholes.

If it is just the flu, does it make it better? Idiots.
 
2021-09-14 9:38:10 AM  
also some data from the NHI, which spells it out better. The rate actually swings considerably depending on the size of the hospital. Larger ones normally run close to 80% occupied, while smaller ones run sub 50%, for obvious reasons.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC4191350/

In other words this is a shiatty stat to throw as evidence of anything, other than at a very broad level, we are higher than the yearly average, but not to some extreme significancy.

I'd imagine if we broke it down seasonally, and then regionally, you would find a few hot spots that are responsible for it.
 
2021-09-14 9:38:42 AM  

jumac: Trying to explain stuff to her bout how rights work and stuff and she go off the deep end.  to her our right are 100% active all the time and can never be limited.


In conservatism there are two groups of people: those who the law binds but doesn't protect, and those who the law protects but doesn't bind.  Your coworker really wants to believe she's in the latter group. It's a false dichotomy, of course, but that's how she sees the world.
 
2021-09-14 9:42:17 AM  
which is good for the companies that own the hospitals. gotta keep those beds full!
 
2021-09-14 9:42:51 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Wobambo: I'm imagining doctors at this point walking off the job to become a plumber because dealing with literal shiat is better than this dumbass nightmare.

Being a doctor still has perks.
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Pre-emptive PG-rated Matty the Mouse threadjack!

Seinfeld: Rabid Elaine
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2021-09-14 9:43:35 AM  

kryptoknightmare: They'll be gone soon.


Not soon enough.
 
2021-09-14 9:46:54 AM  

Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.


You have my sympathies for having incredibly stupid parents and having to deal with that. They, however, will get no sympathy from me.
 
2021-09-14 9:49:22 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.

You have my sympathies for having incredibly stupid parents and having to deal with that. They, however, will get no sympathy from me.


Honestly that's about the best I could expect from Fark.
 
2021-09-14 9:51:22 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.

You have my sympathies for having incredibly stupid parents and having to deal with that. They, however, will get no sympathy from me.


He should also keep in mind how many people that his parents have exposed / will expose.
 
2021-09-14 9:52:30 AM  
Just wanted to point out that basically every comment made here is sophistry.
 
2021-09-14 9:55:06 AM  

CrashTheGame: Just wanted to point out that basically every comment made here is sophistry.


You must be new here.
 
2021-09-14 9:55:07 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Every hospital in the capital region of PA was asking EMS to divert patients to other facilities yesterday.

It's curious how covidiots want nothing to do with the science of the vaccine but are just fine with the science of intubation. Why fix the bad circuit breaker when you can just wait for the fire trucks?

I read an article this morning about a couple in their 30s who both died from Covid.  They didn't get the vaccine because they were "waiting for more information."  3 billion people have gotten a shot.  The initial shots went in arms in March of 2020.

What exactly are people waiting for?  What specific piece of information is needed?


They are waiting on Nicki Manaj to complete her research, duh.

"They want you to get vaccinated for the Met," Minaj, 38, tweeted Monday night. "if I get vaccinated it won't for the Met. It'll be once I feel I've done enough research. I'm working on that now."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicki-mi​n​aj-covid-vaccine-met-gala/
 
2021-09-14 9:57:38 AM  

madgonad: AdmirableSnackbar: Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.

You have my sympathies for having incredibly stupid parents and having to deal with that. They, however, will get no sympathy from me.

He should also keep in mind how many people that his parents have exposed / will expose.


Oh I'm well farking aware, trust me. My kids have cystic fibrosis and we have largely been cut off from society (and extended family) for the past 19 months. It doesn't change the fact that you don't want to see your parents die at home.
 
2021-09-14 9:57:53 AM  
The conservative response via some of my social media:

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2021-09-14 9:59:06 AM  
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2021-09-14 10:00:35 AM  

LineNoise: CrashTheGame: Just wanted to point out that basically every comment made here is sophistry.

You must be new here.


Nah my account is probably older than 95% of active accounts.
 
2021-09-14 10:02:15 AM  

buttercat: The conservative response via some of my social media:

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*screams into void*
 
2021-09-14 10:04:10 AM  
What was the pre-covid percentage?
 
2021-09-14 10:04:26 AM  
I have the diabeetus, last Friday I was coming off a cold, and my sugar spiked to darn near lethal levels. Was rushed to the ER on the verge of losing consciousness. Had to wait in the waiting room for about 20 minutes till anyone could see me. Got back there, and they rushed to pump insulin in my stomach and gave me fluids. As soon as my levels were "trending down", they kicked me right out. I was in and out in 2 hours. The doctor told me under different circumstances they'd have kept me overnight, but they needed the bed and as I was "trending down" he was sure I was going to be okay. Felt like I got ER drive-thru service lol. I'm not complaining, it is what it is, I just thought I'd share my experience.
 
2021-09-14 10:06:31 AM  

kpaxoid: jso2897: kpaxoid: Does no one remember the "flattening the curve" lockdowns?

A lot of people remember it.  So what?
Got a point?

Just wondering why they're not happening now.


They never were politically viable in most states.
Freedumbs, you know.
Trucknutz, crying eagle, maga, etc.
The same old thing that always makes America a third world shiathole with money.
Anyway - if people had masked distanced and vaccinated, lockdowns would have been unnecessary.
The answer is always the same, really: Oppositional Defiant Disorder
 
2021-09-14 10:06:47 AM  

bostonguy: Why is any hospital admitting anyone who is eligible for the vaccine and has not gotten it?


I guess I'd rather have them in a hospital than roaming around Wal-Mart.

At this point, I want them to have an ankle bracelet and sent home to be quarantined for months, and they can try all the natural solutions while learning how brutal nature is.
 
2021-09-14 10:10:52 AM  

buttercat: The conservative response via some of my social media:

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I have to give myself weekly B12 shots. The B12 is covered by insurance, the syringes are not. The first time I got them I asked if diabetics have to pay for their syringes, thinking they didn't (my needles/syringes are larger). I was surprised and outraged for those folks when I was told that most insurances do not cover them. What the hell?!
 
2021-09-14 10:10:53 AM  

buttercat: The conservative response via some of my social media:

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Yeah, why not? Oh, because people will just run out and catch cancer willy-nilly. JFC.
 
2021-09-14 10:10:53 AM  

buttercat: [Fark user image 850x850]


Because you're the meanest person on Fark I am OK with the dog pile that will probably happen to you now.
 
2021-09-14 10:11:36 AM  

Mr. Breeze: Sigh... Just found out this morning both my folks have it. Dad's in relatively decent health but mom has a lot of heart issues. They live in Montana so they thought they were less exposed.

It's easy to say unvaxxed people shouldn't go to the hospitals when it's not your own parents.



I have a friend who's father in law died from covid last fall. He's told his own parents they can't see their new granddaughter unless they get the vaccine.

They chose not to get vaccinated.
 
2021-09-14 10:12:49 AM  

vilesithknight: I have the diabeetus, last Friday I was coming off a cold, and my sugar spiked to darn near lethal levels. Was rushed to the ER on the verge of losing consciousness. Had to wait in the waiting room for about 20 minutes till anyone could see me. Got back there, and they rushed to pump insulin in my stomach and gave me fluids. As soon as my levels were "trending down", they kicked me right out. I was in and out in 2 hours. The doctor told me under different circumstances they'd have kept me overnight, but they needed the bed and as I was "trending down" he was sure I was going to be okay. Felt like I got ER drive-thru service lol. I'm not complaining, it is what it is, I just thought I'd share my experience.


That's a damn shame, I'm glad you're ok
 
2021-09-14 10:14:34 AM  
If these hospitals can manage their AR's good they should be able to make record profits.
 
2021-09-14 10:17:17 AM  
Hospitals would refer to this as under capacity.

Seriously, do you think they build hospitals to be a third full?
 
2021-09-14 10:17:41 AM  

flucto: buttercat: [Fark user image 850x850]

Because you're the meanest person on Fark I am OK with the dog pile that will probably happen to you now.


Hahahahaha!

I love you too, flucto.
 
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