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2021-09-14 7:12:04 AM  
Variants will keep on happening, and keep on spreading around the world. I don't have much hope of us winning this fight because there are just too many assholes around the world.

*heavy sigh*
 
2021-09-14 8:05:32 AM  
Every doc I have talked to about it is of the opinion that it is endemic now and we just have to figure out how to live with it.

Also that IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.
 
2021-09-14 8:21:14 AM  
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2021-09-14 8:24:33 AM  
God, I hated how dumb Friends made Joey by the end. He was a likable guy before.

It's like they ran out of ideas and just turned each character into an exaggerated, negative version of themselves.

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2021-09-14 8:57:05 AM  
This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.
 
2021-09-14 9:02:16 AM  
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2021-09-14 9:44:13 AM  

Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.


I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-​r​isk-covid
 
2021-09-14 9:54:17 AM  

lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid


I've past my compassion point a while ago. Now I'm at my wishful thinking phase of coping with people who intentionally don't vaccinate when they can while politicizing it. Helps deal with the frustration of keeping myself isolated as much as I have been since March 2020 even though I'm now vaccinated myself.
 
2021-09-14 9:54:25 AM  

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2021-09-14 9:58:09 AM  

bostonguy: God, I hated how dumb Friends made Joey by the end. He was a likable guy before.

It's like they ran out of ideas and just turned each character into an exaggerated, negative version of themselves.

/ threadjack


They got Flanderized
 
2021-09-14 9:59:15 AM  

Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.


Ditto. Said it in another thread, but the antiva has a huge overlap with the neo-Confederates calling for war and blood. At this point, covid is almost a Godzilla-like antihero.
 
2021-09-14 10:04:35 AM  

Nimbull: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

I've past my compassion point a while ago. Now I'm at my wishful thinking phase of coping with people who intentionally don't vaccinate when they can while politicizing it. Helps deal with the frustration of keeping myself isolated as much as I have been since March 2020 even though I'm now vaccinated myself.


I do understand, I expect that'll happen to all of us sooner or later.
Probably sooner.
 
2021-09-14 10:57:46 AM  

lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid


The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.
 
2021-09-14 11:10:29 AM  

shut_it_down: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.


Catastrophic thinking, not even once.
Don't do that to yourself.

/ yes, the virus is serious
// I'm old, accepted long ago it's here for my lifetime
 
2021-09-14 11:18:03 AM  

lindalouwho: Variants will keep on happening, and keep on spreading around the world. I don't have much hope of us winning this fight because there are just too many assholes around the world.

*heavy sigh*


Most of the arseholes are in the west. The vast majority of the world's population has had no access to vaccines because the US, the UK and Germany don't want to waive patent rights.

*even heavier sigh*
 
2021-09-14 11:25:14 AM  

lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.

Catastrophic thinking, not even once.
Don't do that to yourself.

/ yes, the virus is serious
// I'm old, accepted long ago it's here for my lifetime


It's not catastrophic thinking, it's just actuarial science. The virus isn't going away at this point, so in a couple years we will have enough data to be able to figure out what someone's lifetime/annual odds are of dying from COVID. For example, lifetime odds of dying of heart disease are 1/6, even though annual risk is only about 1/500. The anti-vaxxers are looking at something like a 1/500 annual number and thinking "this is no big deal" without considering that this number actually represents another major cause of death if they continue to be exposed over their entire lifetime. For the vaccinated, this is another cause of death, but I'd guess something closer to a "falling off a ladder" or "struck by lightning" level of risk.
 
2021-09-14 11:30:35 AM  

groverpm: lindalouwho: Variants will keep on happening, and keep on spreading around the world. I don't have much hope of us winning this fight because there are just too many assholes around the world.

*heavy sigh*

Most of the arseholes are in the west. The vast majority of the world's population has had no access to vaccines because the US, the UK and Germany don't want to waive patent rights.

*even heavier sigh*


It's not just patent rights, few vaccine manufacturers have the expertise (more trade secrets) and production lines to make mRNA vaccines at scale. Even if all IP rights on vaccine production were waived (not just patents), it would still be hard to meet global demand by using other manufacturers who currently don't have the necessary experience or tooling.
 
2021-09-14 11:31:38 AM  

shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.

Catastrophic thinking, not even once.
Don't do that to yourself.

/ yes, the virus is serious
// I'm old, accepted long ago it's here for my lifetime

It's not catastrophic thinking, it's just actuarial science. The virus isn't going away at this point, so in a couple years we will have enough data to be able to figure out what someone's lifetime/annual odds are of dying from COVID. For example, lifetime odds of dying of heart disease are 1/6, even though annual risk is only about 1/500. The anti-vaxxers are looking at something like a 1/500 annual number and thinking "this is no big deal" without considering that this number actually represents another major cause of death if they continue to be exposed over their entire lifetime. For the vaccinated, this is another cause of death, but I'd guess something closer to a "falling off a ladder" or "struck by lightning" level of risk.


The odds of death aren't going to stay the same over time.
 
2021-09-14 11:55:18 AM  

Ambitwistor: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.

Catastrophic thinking, not even once.
Don't do that to yourself.

/ yes, the virus is serious
// I'm old, accepted long ago it's here for my lifetime

It's not catastrophic thinking, it's just actuarial science. The virus isn't going away at this point, so in a couple years we will have enough data to be able to figure out what someone's lifetime/annual odds are of dying from COVID. For example, lifetime odds of dying of heart disease are 1/6, even though annual risk is only about 1/500. The anti-vaxxers are looking at something like a 1/500 annual number and thinking "this is no big deal" without considering that this number actually represents another major cause of death if they continue to be exposed over their entire lifetime. For the vaccinated, this is another cause of death, but I'd guess something closer to a "falling off a ladder" or "struck by lightning" level of risk.

The odds of death aren't going to stay the same over time.


For individual people? Of course. Any individual's odds of death depends on their individual risk factors in any given year. For the virus overall? Too soon to tell.
 
2021-09-14 12:18:25 PM  

shut_it_down: Ambitwistor: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.

Catastrophic thinking, not even once.
Don't do that to yourself.

/ yes, the virus is serious
// I'm old, accepted long ago it's here for my lifetime

It's not catastrophic thinking, it's just actuarial science. The virus isn't going away at this point, so in a couple years we will have enough data to be able to figure out what someone's lifetime/annual odds are of dying from COVID. For example, lifetime odds of dying of heart disease are 1/6, even though annual risk is only about 1/500. The anti-vaxxers are looking at something like a 1/500 annual number and thinking "this is no big deal" without considering that this number actually represents another major cause of death if they continue to be exposed over their entire lifetime. For the vaccinated, this is another cause of death, but I'd guess something closer to a "falling off a ladder" or "struck by lightning" level of risk.

The odds of death aren't going to stay the same over time.

For individual people? Of course. Any individual's odds of de ...


No, I mean there will be immune responses, there isn't going to be some straight 2% chance of death that people get hit with every year over and over again; and the virus will likely evolve over time into a weaker form as endemic viruses usually do.
 
2021-09-14 12:29:15 PM  
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2021-09-14 12:41:06 PM  

Ambitwistor: No, I mean there will be immune responses, there isn't going to be some straight 2% chance of death that people get hit with every year over and over again; and the virus will likely evolve over time into a weaker form as endemic viruses usually do.


We don't know where it will end up as far as annual/lifetime mortality is concerned. Plenty of diseases stayed plenty dangerous even after becoming endemic. Smallpox had a 30% mortality rate for like 2000 years. Polio and measles are also very dangerous, and only got under control through widespread vaccination. Does COVID peter out like the 1918 flu? Maybe, but maybe not. The Delta variant shows that COVID is perfectly capable of evolving to be more transmissible without becoming less deadly.
 
2021-09-14 1:21:22 PM  

namegoeshere: Every doc I have talked to about it is of the opinion that it is endemic now and we just have to figure out how to live with it.

Also that IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY.


Of course it did. I was on a train in February 2020 talking with a doctor and this was farking obvious to both of us. The idea that we could stop a disease that started with one guy eating bat soup and is almost as transmissible as measles was absurd. Even if you managed to wipe out the disease in a particular country you'd have massive reservoirs in other countries. If you're a small island country and you're willing to quarantine all visitors for weeks, forever, ok, best of luck to you. The people who said we could wipe out CV either (a) didn't know shiat from shinola or (b) were lying.

The diseases we wiped out like smallpox and polio are not especially transmissible and are so severe that generally people are willing to take extreme measures to stop the disease. Fun fact - the polio vaccine causes a case of actual polio one time in a million. So in the last year there were TWO cases of wild polio and hundreds of cases of polio which originated from a vaccine. It's not as easy as it looks to wipe out a disease.
 
2021-09-14 1:26:07 PM  

shut_it_down: Ambitwistor: No, I mean there will be immune responses, there isn't going to be some straight 2% chance of death that people get hit with every year over and over again; and the virus will likely evolve over time into a weaker form as endemic viruses usually do.

We don't know where it will end up as far as annual/lifetime mortality is concerned. Plenty of diseases stayed plenty dangerous even after becoming endemic. Smallpox had a 30% mortality rate for like 2000 years. Polio and measles are also very dangerous, and only got under control through widespread vaccination. Does COVID peter out like the 1918 flu? Maybe, but maybe not. The Delta variant shows that COVID is perfectly capable of evolving to be more transmissible without becoming less deadly.


Don't harsh his buzz, man. He can't take the truth right now!
 
2021-09-14 2:10:05 PM  

groverpm: lindalouwho: Variants will keep on happening, and keep on spreading around the world. I don't have much hope of us winning this fight because there are just too many assholes around the world.

*heavy sigh*

Most of the arseholes are in the west. The vast majority of the world's population has had no access to vaccines because the US, the UK and Germany don't want to waive patent rights.

*even heavier sigh*


The countries that don't have access yet are watching and hearing all the bs in the west, that doesn't give me hope for third world countries being totally onboard with the vaccines. Especially places that tend to be superstitious, etc.
 
2021-09-14 2:12:22 PM  

shut_it_down: Ambitwistor: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

I think you already know that the mortality rate isn't anywhere near that high

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-r​isk-covid

The question is what will be the annual odds of dying of COVID? Right now, it's too soon to tell. A 2% mortality rate per infection may not seem scary (even though it is), but if we are talking about this going on for decades with people being infected repeatedly, someone who survives once might not be so lucky the second. third, fourth (etc) time they get it. And every time they get it, they have a significant chance of being permanently injured in a way that could make a subsequent infection harder to withstand.

Catastrophic thinking, not even once.
Don't do that to yourself.

/ yes, the virus is serious
// I'm old, accepted long ago it's here for my lifetime

It's not catastrophic thinking, it's just actuarial science. The virus isn't going away at this point, so in a couple years we will have enough data to be able to figure out what someone's lifetime/annual odds are of dying from COVID. For example, lifetime odds of dying of heart disease are 1/6, even though annual risk is only about 1/500. The anti-vaxxers are looking at something like a 1/500 annual number and thinking "this is no big deal" without considering that this number actually represents another major cause of death if they continue to be exposed over their entire lifetime. For the vaccinated, this is another cause of death, but I'd guess something closer to a "falling off a ladder" or "struck by lightning" level of risk.

The odds of death aren't going to stay the same over time.

For individual people? Of course. Any individual's odds of death depends on their individual risk factors in any given year. For the virus overall? Too soon to tell.


"Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...
 
2021-09-14 2:31:23 PM  
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2021-09-14 2:58:58 PM  

lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...


Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.
 
2021-09-14 3:05:22 PM  

shut_it_down: lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...

Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.


Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired -- the conversation was about what will happen in the future. Go back and reread it.
 
2021-09-14 3:19:37 PM  

lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...

Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired -- the conversation was about what will happen in the future. Go back and reread it.


You mean my reading comprehension of my own post? The one where I said that there's an actuarial question about where exactly this will land as far as annual/lifetime mortality odds but that if this persists for decades, then even low annual odds of death can add up to a significant likelihood of death over time due to repeated exposures? You know, the post you called catastrophic thinking even though it's just how this stuff works?
 
2021-09-14 3:32:46 PM  

shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...

Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired -- the conversation was about what will happen in the future. Go back and reread it.

You mean my reading comprehension of my own post? The one where I said that there's an actuarial question about where exactly this will land as far as annual/lifetime mortality odds but that if this persists for decades, then even low annual odds of death can add up to a significant likelihood of death over time due to repeated exposures? You know, the post you called catastrophic thinking even though it's just how this stuff works?


You mean, your catastrophic hand-wringing about what might happen in the future, as opposed to actual actuarial facts? As I noted above, people are unlikely to repeatedly get COVID throughout their lifetimes with a 2% risk of death each time. But even if you believe otherwise, this is catastrophic thinking about some hypothetical future event, not an actual foregone conclusion.
 
2021-09-14 4:09:47 PM  

Ambitwistor: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...

Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired -- the conversation was about what will happen in the future. Go back and reread it.

You mean my reading comprehension of my own post? The one where I said that there's an actuarial question about where exactly this will land as far as annual/lifetime mortality odds but that if this persists for decades, then even low annual odds of death can add up to a significant likelihood of death over time due to repeated exposures? You know, the post you called catastrophic thinking even though it's just how this stuff works?

You mean, your catastrophic hand-wringing about what might happen in the future, as opposed to actual actuarial facts? As I noted above, people are unlikely to repeatedly get COVID throughout their lifetimes with a 2% risk of death each time. But even if you believe otherwise, this is catastrophic thinking about some hypothetical future event, not an actual foregone conclusion.


Hypothetical future event? Future COVID isn't hypothetical. This is a thing that we're going to have forever. The *only* questions are how many people it will kill annually from here on out, and what are an individual's annual/lifetime odds of dying from it. My point, which you seem hellbent on not getting, is that a low risk of mortality per infection does not necessarily equal a low likelihood of dying from a disease at some point in your lifetime. See my point about heart disease. My other point, which you've ignored, is that vaccination significantly reduces that risk to "struck by lightning" levels, which is a level of risk that most people are comfortable living with. None of this is hand wringing. It's just how risk calculations work.
 
2021-09-14 4:19:21 PM  

shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...

Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired -- the conversation was about what will happen in the future. Go back and reread it.

You mean my reading comprehension of my own post? The one where I said that there's an actuarial question about where exactly this will land as far as annual/lifetime mortality odds but that if this persists for decades, then even low annual odds of death can add up to a significant likelihood of death over time due to repeated exposures? You know, the post you called catastrophic thinking even though it's just how this stuff works?


"...WILL land..."
 
2021-09-14 4:20:19 PM  

Ambitwistor: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: shut_it_down: lindalouwho: "Too soon to tell"

That's why I mentioned catastrophic thinking...

Accurately describing a catastrophe in progress is not catastrophic thinking.

Your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired -- the conversation was about what will happen in the future. Go back and reread it.

You mean my reading comprehension of my own post? The one where I said that there's an actuarial question about where exactly this will land as far as annual/lifetime mortality odds but that if this persists for decades, then even low annual odds of death can add up to a significant likelihood of death over time due to repeated exposures? You know, the post you called catastrophic thinking even though it's just how this stuff works?

You mean, your catastrophic hand-wringing about what might happen in the future, as opposed to actual actuarial facts? As I noted above, people are unlikely to repeatedly get COVID throughout their lifetimes with a 2% risk of death each time. But even if you believe otherwise, this is catastrophic thinking about some hypothetical future event, not an actual foregone conclusion.


*nods in agreement*
 
2021-09-14 4:34:57 PM  

shut_it_down: Hypothetical future event? Future COVID isn't hypothetical.


I think we've reached the "intentionally missing the point" phase of this discussion, where you're arguing in circles against some strawman.

Yes, we know that "future COVID" isn't hypothetical.  Your catastrophic scenario of everyone getting COVID over and over for all time with a 2% chance of dying each time is, however, entirely hypothetical.

My point, which you seem hellbent on not getting, is that a low risk of mortality per infection does not necessarily equal a low likelihood of dying from a disease at some point in your lifetime.

And my point, which you keep ignoring, is that it doesn't necessarily equal a high likeihood of dying over your lifetime, either, and there are many reasons to believe it will not: it's the worst-case scenario, hence, catastrophic thinking.

My other point, which you've ignored, is that vaccination significantly reduces that risk to "struck by lightning" levels,

I've ignored it because it's separate from and irrelevant to the objection I originally raised.
 
2021-09-14 6:24:55 PM  

Wobambo: Nimbull: This will be harsh but I hope it kills off the stupid people quick who don't vaccinate so the hospitals can get some relief. That would also give everyone else a breather of sorts from the stupid in that it closes off the way this crap gets around quicker.

Ditto. Said it in another thread, but the antiva has a huge overlap with the neo-Confederates calling for war and blood. At this point, covid is almost a Godzilla-like antihero.


Bravo!
 
2021-09-14 6:53:26 PM  

Ambitwistor: Yes, we know that "future COVID" isn't hypothetical.  Your catastrophic scenario of everyone getting COVID over and over for all time with a 2% chance of dying each time is, however, entirely hypothetical.


I never said that everyone would get COVID over and over. What I am saying is that it's a mistake to present COVID survival as a one-and-done thing. It is not. People can and will get reinfected, and every infection will carry some risk of death. That is why I keep referencing the annual and lifetime mortality rate for the disease, which we still do not know. Don't you see the difference? I'm saying that even if something is unlikely on a daily or annual basis, doesn't mean that it is particularly unlikely over the course of a lifetime. It's not handwringing, it's just math.

Ambitwistor: And my point, which you keep ignoring, is that it doesn't necessarily equal a high likeihood of dying over your lifetime, either, and there are many reasons to believe it will not: it's the worst-case scenario, hence, catastrophic thinking.


If I'm engaging in catastrophic thinking, you're engaging in wishful thinking. But in any event, I'm done with this thread.
 
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