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(The Verge)   Mozilla reverse-engineers Microsoft's underhanded bollocks of a default browser selection process   (theverge.com) divider line
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1092 clicks; posted to STEM » on 13 Sep 2021 at 9:43 PM (4 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-09-13 7:14:06 PM  
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2021-09-13 9:49:30 PM  

Ivo Shandor: [external-preview.redd.it image 300x503]


$LocalTempDir = $env:TEMP; $ChromeInstaller = "ChromeInstaller.exe"; (new-object System.Net.WebClient).DownloadFile('ht​tp://dl.google.com/chrome/install/375.​126/chrome_installer.exe', "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller"); & "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller" /silent /install; $Process2Monitor = "ChromeInstaller"; Do { $ProcessesFound = Get-Process | ?{$Process2Monitor -contains $_.Name} | Select-Object -ExpandProperty Name; If ($ProcessesFound) { "Still running: $($ProcessesFound -join ', ')" | Write-Host; Start-Sleep -Seconds 2 } else { rm "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -Verbose } } Until (!$ProcessesFound)

Kill it with firePowershell
 
2021-09-13 9:55:35 PM  
That's nice, but I doubt it will do much to stop the decline in Firefox usage.  When Google sites randomly stop working on FF for days at a time, while working fine on Chromium-based browsers, you're going to lose users.  Mozilla tracks usage closely and they've reported that the steepest declines happen around those events.  But since Mozilla won't bite the hand that funds them, it'll keep happening.
 
2021-09-13 9:59:36 PM  
Good, here's hope the rest follow suit.

If it were as hard to switch to Edge as it was everything else, then I'd be on Microsoft's side, but they're just being wankers, especially when updates try and trick you to into switching back.

/Edge user on my primary machine, but I have other browsers as default on test machines and farking Microsoft occasionally tricks me into switching them to Edge.
 
2021-09-13 10:03:06 PM  
I hate the fact that Edge runs faster and uses less memory than both Chrome and Firefox on my Win10 machines.

/Years of MS Explorer trauma
 
2021-09-13 10:06:13 PM  
I've tried using Firefox as a default, but I do too much work in Google Drive. Every time you right click anywhere in a document, it brings up the Firefox right click menu over the Docs right click menu. It's a dealbreaker for me.

Still, good on Mozilla for doing this. It would be nice for Chrome and other browsers (although hell with Opera after they started putting notifications over other apps), just so users have more control.

The company I'd really like to see follow suit is Adobe. I don't care what you "recommend," Microsoft - I will never, ever, ever, EVER want to use Edge as my default PDF editor.
 
2021-09-13 10:07:52 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Ivo Shandor: [external-preview.redd.it image 300x503]

$LocalTempDir = $env:TEMP; $ChromeInstaller = "ChromeInstaller.exe"; (new-object System.Net.WebClient).DownloadFile('ht​tp://dl.google.com/chrome/install/375.​126/chrome_installer.exe', "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller"); & "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller" /silent /install; $Process2Monitor = "ChromeInstaller"; Do { $ProcessesFound = Get-Process | ?{$Process2Monitor -contains $_.Name} | Select-Object -ExpandProperty Name; If ($ProcessesFound) { "Still running: $($ProcessesFound -join ', ')" | Write-Host; Start-Sleep -Seconds 2 } else { rm "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -Verbose } } Until (!$ProcessesFound)

Kill it with firePowershell


I've been assured many times on this here site that if you have to open a CLI then your OS fails.
 
2021-09-13 10:09:25 PM  
Am I the only one that never found it hard to switch the default browser to FF?
 
2021-09-13 10:34:34 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: Am I the only one that never found it hard to switch the default browser to FF?


I assume those that don't know how to do it either don't care or can't type 'Change default browser...' in Google 🤷♂
 
2021-09-13 10:51:22 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: fragMasterFlash: Ivo Shandor: [external-preview.redd.it image 300x503]

$LocalTempDir = $env:TEMP; $ChromeInstaller = "ChromeInstaller.exe"; (new-object System.Net.WebClient).DownloadFile('ht​tp://dl.google.com/chrome/install/375.​126/chrome_installer.exe', "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller"); & "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller" /silent /install; $Process2Monitor = "ChromeInstaller"; Do { $ProcessesFound = Get-Process | ?{$Process2Monitor -contains $_.Name} | Select-Object -ExpandProperty Name; If ($ProcessesFound) { "Still running: $($ProcessesFound -join ', ')" | Write-Host; Start-Sleep -Seconds 2 } else { rm "$LocalTempDir\$ChromeInstaller" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -Verbose } } Until (!$ProcessesFound)

Kill it with firePowershell

I've been assured many times on this here site that if you have to open a CLI then your OS fails.


You'd rather deal with Edge than a CLI? I won't say any more about that, given how they tend to frown upon kink shaming on this site these days.
 
2021-09-13 10:53:31 PM  
Mozilla vpn any good? What the maximum number of proxies? 6? 8?
 
2021-09-13 11:18:48 PM  

H31N0US: Mozilla vpn any good? What the maximum number of proxies? 6? 8?


7. 7 proxies.
 
2021-09-13 11:23:52 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: Am I the only one that never found it hard to switch the default browser to FF?


I'm not so sure what was so difficult about it either.
But hey, if it gets users due to ease of set up, cool.

/F.F. desktop since launch
//F.F. android
///it's been a rocky relationship at times, but over all solid
 
2021-09-13 11:27:31 PM  

Moniker o' Shame: Am I the only one that never found it hard to switch the default browser to FF?


No, you are not alone.
 
2021-09-13 11:43:19 PM  

envirovore: Moniker o' Shame: Am I the only one that never found it hard to switch the default browser to FF?

I'm not so sure what was so difficult about it either.
But hey, if it gets users due to ease of set up, cool.

/F.F. desktop since launch
//F.F. android
///it's been a rocky relationship at times, but over all solid


I have been using it since it was named Phoenix.  Therefore, I am better than you, or something...  Really, I have been using it since it was named Phoenix.
 
2021-09-14 12:30:21 AM  

Moniker o' Shame: envirovore: Moniker o' Shame: Am I the only one that never found it hard to switch the default browser to FF?

I'm not so sure what was so difficult about it either.
But hey, if it gets users due to ease of set up, cool.

/F.F. desktop since launch
//F.F. android
///it's been a rocky relationship at times, but over all solid

I have been using it since it was named Phoenix.  Therefore, I am better than you, or something...  Really, I have been using it since it was named Phoenix.


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2021-09-14 1:40:36 AM  
1) Uninstall Edge
 
2021-09-14 2:28:08 AM  

Dinjiin: That's nice, but I doubt it will do much to stop the decline in Firefox usage.  When Google sites randomly stop working on FF for days at a time, while working fine on Chromium-based browsers, you're going to lose users.  Mozilla tracks usage closely and they've reported that the steepest declines happen around those events.  But since Mozilla won't bite the hand that funds them, it'll keep happening.


As someone who has primarily used FF since it was Phoenix then Firebird... I am not sure I've ever experienced this. What is it that happens with Google sites?
 
2021-09-14 12:03:44 PM  

Quantumbunny: Dinjiin: That's nice, but I doubt it will do much to stop the decline in Firefox usage.  When Google sites randomly stop working on FF for days at a time, while working fine on Chromium-based browsers, you're going to lose users.  Mozilla tracks usage closely and they've reported that the steepest declines happen around those events.  But since Mozilla won't bite the hand that funds them, it'll keep happening.

As someone who has primarily used FF since it was Phoenix then Firebird... I am not sure I've ever experienced this. What is it that happens with Google sites?


It depends on the site.  Usually it involves pages not rendering properly, broken functionality, or performance issues.  Here is an article that discusses a few problems.

For me, I've had issues with Google Maps, Mail, and YouTube.  I use Maps the most and issues have included: map tiles not rendering properly, the street view placer not working, unable to switch between map and sat view, and being unable to hide various controls.  For GMail, the Hangouts tool broke.  For YouTube, the playback controls were broken.  No changes on my side and the issues went away after a couple of days.

That article mentions how Google likely sabotaged their Polymer JS library (used with YouTube, Google Earth, and other G sites) so that it would tank performance on Edge and FF.  I remember when that happened and it was noticeable.  I just switched to using an external downloader and started playing clips back using MPC instead.
 
2021-09-15 10:05:24 AM  

Dinjiin: Quantumbunny: Dinjiin: That's nice, but I doubt it will do much to stop the decline in Firefox usage.  When Google sites randomly stop working on FF for days at a time, while working fine on Chromium-based browsers, you're going to lose users.  Mozilla tracks usage closely and they've reported that the steepest declines happen around those events.  But since Mozilla won't bite the hand that funds them, it'll keep happening.

As someone who has primarily used FF since it was Phoenix then Firebird... I am not sure I've ever experienced this. What is it that happens with Google sites?

It depends on the site.  Usually it involves pages not rendering properly, broken functionality, or performance issues.  Here is an article that discusses a few problems.

For me, I've had issues with Google Maps, Mail, and YouTube.  I use Maps the most and issues have included: map tiles not rendering properly, the street view placer not working, unable to switch between map and sat view, and being unable to hide various controls.  For GMail, the Hangouts tool broke.  For YouTube, the playback controls were broken.  No changes on my side and the issues went away after a couple of days.

That article mentions how Google likely sabotaged their Polymer JS library (used with YouTube, Google Earth, and other G sites) so that it would tank performance on Edge and FF.  I remember when that happened and it was noticeable.  I just switched to using an external downloader and started playing clips back using MPC instead.


Non-Chrome. I have heard about a few of those, including invisible layers over YouTube designed to cost render time.

I thought you had meant specifically Firefox targeted stuff.

That said, mine's never been as bad as these stories I hear about.
 
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