Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Law and Crime)   Killing eight people is no way to get custody, grandma   (lawandcrime.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Plea, Child custody, Arraignment, Angela Wagner, Family, Alford plea, Rita Newcomb, massacre of the Rhoden  
•       •       •

4622 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Sep 2021 at 7:30 AM (6 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



65 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all

 
6 days ago  
The redneckiest crime story you'll ever read.
 
6 days ago  
Special prosecutor Angie Canepa said Hanna Rhoden wrote "they'll have to kill me." Canepa said Angela Wagner showed the message to Jake and the murder plot unfolded from there. challenge accepted.
 
6 days ago  
This is the kind of story that makes me wish humans didn't exist.
 
6 days ago  
Well reading that was a horrible way to start my day.
 
6 days ago  
Frankie's toddler son was covered in blood as well and answered the door when Bobbi Jo approached.
Man, if this crime had been covered more, I know what I would go as this Halloween:  A toddler covered in blood that can answer the door.
Me:  "I'm a toddler covered in blood.  Act like you're knocking on a door..."
Them:  Knock knock
Me: "Dave's not here, man"
 
6 days ago  
Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
6 days ago  
This is the perfect example of why gun control works.

Everyone uses the argument that 'criminals have guns' but there is no way in the UK/europe, grandma would go down to the docks to purchase semi automatic weapons even if they had the outlandish amounts of cash required.

Now before the inevitable 'oh you're just anti-gun' posts flood on, I just want to say that I'm pro-gun. I firmly believe that if people want them in society then they should. The issue I take exception to is the clear fact that More guns in society makes everyone less safe.

The thing is less safe doesn't necessarily mean banned, i mean cars are dangerous, so are many sports, but understanding the risks means that sensible precautions are put in place to limit the worst risks, something that lies like guns=safety work directly against.
 
6 days ago  
For a custody battle, if you just whack the ones immediately next in line for custody they rest will back off.  You think the cousin and the ex-wife wanted any thing to do with the kid?

Yeah.  Probably just lucky to be home when gunnin' granny showed up.
 
6 days ago  

Xai: This is the perfect example of why gun control works.

Everyone uses the argument that 'criminals have guns' but there is no way in the UK/europe, grandma would go down to the docks to purchase semi automatic weapons even if they had the outlandish amounts of cash required.

Now before the inevitable 'oh you're just anti-gun' posts flood on, I just want to say that I'm pro-gun. I firmly believe that if people want them in society then they should. The issue I take exception to is the clear fact that More guns in society makes everyone less safe.

The thing is less safe doesn't necessarily mean banned, i mean cars are dangerous, so are many sports, but understanding the risks means that sensible precautions are put in place to limit the worst risks, something that lies like guns=safety work directly against.


Guns everywhere definitely doesn't work. It's a right wing security blanket like not taking free vaccines. Republicans are lunatics with no business setting public policy.
 
6 days ago  
It's a good way to get yourself placed in custody, though.
 
6 days ago  

casual disregard: This is the kind of story that makes me wish humans didn't exist.


The Bible does that to me.
 
6 days ago  
Court documents filed by prosecutors state Jake Wagner married a woman named Elizabeth while the family was living in Alaska and that he and other family members controlled her every move and threatened to kill her. Prosecutors wrote that the family became upset when Jake's daughter referred to Elizabeth as "mom" because the child was supposed to call Angela Wagner "mom."

O_O Well that's a farked up morsel in this shiat stew.
 
6 days ago  
All that murder and mayhem and they lose custody of the child.
 
6 days ago  

lurkey: casual disregard: This is the kind of story that makes me wish humans didn't exist.

The Bible does that to me.


I read the Bible once. Emphasis on once.

These days I prefer this version: https://skepticsannotatedbib​le.com/ind​ex.htm
 
6 days ago  

Arkanaut: Court documents filed by prosecutors state Jake Wagner married a woman named Elizabeth while the family was living in Alaska and that he and other family members controlled her every move and threatened to kill her. Prosecutors wrote that the family became upset when Jake's daughter referred to Elizabeth as "mom" because the child was supposed to call Angela Wagner "mom."

O_O Well that's a farked up morsel in this shiat stew.


You'd be surprised. A fair number of awful mother-in-laws want the grandkids to call them some iteration of mom or mama and have the grandkids as their do-over babies.
 
6 days ago  
if he wants custody "he'll have to kill me, my entire family and everyone i've ever met including the gal that was pumping gas next to me at the chevron station last tuesday."

well ok then. -grandma
 
6 days ago  
Now nine, killing nine people, that would've worked.
 
6 days ago  
I keep getting confused when I try to piece together what exactly happened.  Each news story tries to explain it but it's so conveluted and dumb that I give up reading it.
 
6 days ago  

dodecahedron: The redneckiest crime story you'll ever read.


What with "Charles "Muffin-farker" Cleetington", "Kyle "truck nutz" SouthWillRiseAgainAgain" "Marvin "BigSweatyBellEnd" McLyncherson" and "Frank "BlackPowder" Skeeterson"?
 
6 days ago  

FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.


Probably some child trafficking / sexual abuse thrown in there too. Grandma sounds a piece of shiat work that should have been shot before breeding her spawn.
 
6 days ago  
Look up the words "Totally Farked Up" in the dictionary and you would find the name of this woman.
 
6 days ago  

Egalitarian: Arkanaut: Court documents filed by prosecutors state Jake Wagner married a woman named Elizabeth while the family was living in Alaska and that he and other family members controlled her every move and threatened to kill her. Prosecutors wrote that the family became upset when Jake's daughter referred to Elizabeth as "mom" because the child was supposed to call Angela Wagner "mom."

O_O Well that's a farked up morsel in this shiat stew.

You'd be surprised. A fair number of awful mother-in-laws want the grandkids to call them some iteration of mom or mama and have the grandkids as their do-over babies.


I find that happens more often in cultures that push kids into getting married too young, like certain religious groups.

Grandma got married and had kids right after High School.  No surprise she felt like she did not get to enjoy motherhood, because she was not ready.  Her kids then do the same.
 
6 days ago  
When the silver lining is that "at least they didn't kill the toddler and infant" you know you're looking at a terrible f'ing situation. I'm just wondering how this guy got married again so quickly, usually people like this put of Do Not Approach signals pretty heavily like that guy with the pool floaty and bazooka.
 
6 days ago  
The 2nd amendment is a curse upon this country.
 
6 days ago  

gkcook: I keep getting confused when I try to piece together what exactly happened.  Each news story tries to explain it but it's so conveluted and dumb that I give up reading it.


Go to Wikipedia and look up the Rhoden family murders.

I am somewhat of a true crime buff, and I followed this case for a while after the murders happened. It took years for prosecutors to arrest anybody, but when the Wagners moved to Alaska from Ohio not long after the murders, after getting custody of Jake's daughter, I had to wonder if they were involved.
 
6 days ago  

chuggernaught: The 2nd amendment is a curse upon this country.


To be fair it kills a lot of farking morons too.
 
6 days ago  

gkcook: I keep getting confused when I try to piece together what exactly happened.  Each news story tries to explain it but it's so convoluted and dumb that I give up reading it.


Yeah, they've made it more complicated than it needs to by by including a whole bunch of people who don't need to be there.  Let's try and dial it down:  Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden had a baby.  The couple didn't last, not least because the Wagners were a bunch of farking psychos (big shock, right?).  The Wagners had a cunning plan to make sure Jake (and by extension, the family) got full custody of the kid:  Get the family together, run around town one night, and murder Hanna and pretty much the whole adult Rhoden family so there'd be absolutely nobody left to get custody but Jake.

When you get down to it, it's just those two families, the Wagners (killers) and the Rhodens (murder victims).  Articles seem to keep wanting to complicate things by adding more people.  They keep mentioning the Gilleys, but the only person by that name involved at all was the fiancee of Hanna's brother.  She was a victim, but not a target; she happened to be there when they killed the brother.  Then articles bring in the Manleys, but those are just the people who found the first bodies.  Makes it really unnecessarily convoluted.
 
6 days ago  

FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.


I was ridiculed for suggesting it was the ex, because it's nearly always the ex. No it had to be cartels, a million dollar grow operation and street gangs from Chicago. It was farking memaw and her boy, the ex, all along.
 
6 days ago  
I never could understand why guilty people make deals to get out of the death penalty. I wouldn't want to spend life in a prison in the USA.
 
6 days ago  

gkcook: I keep getting confused when I try to piece together what exactly happened.  Each news story tries to explain it but it's so conveluted and dumb that I give up reading it.


The people who went there to do a targeted killing had to make sure to kill anyone who was a witness, I.E., other family members who were accidentally or randomly present at the time they went to do the targeted killing. It was a few properties spread out, so they committed multiple murders to get rid of witnesses.
 
6 days ago  

Last Man on Earth: Then articles bring in the Manleys, but those are just the people who found the first bodies.


And this nugget of information: Ohio BCI investigated Bobbi Jo and James Manley for the murders. James was arrested and charged with tampering with evidence in 2017 after he smashed a GPS tracking device state agents had placed on his truck. At the time, their father, Leonard Manley, said the agents had claimed James failed a polygraph exam. The tampering with evidence charge was dropped days after it was filed.

If Ohio BCI had been a little less stringent on finding the actual murderers, they could have just sent these two to prison for life.
 
6 days ago  
Where was Jack Wagner during all of this? That's All I Need.
 
6 days ago  
unlawful possession of a dangerous ordinance

I wonder which one? Parking in a red zone? No loading of trucks after 11pm?
 
6 days ago  
Well, here's hoping that is the most f**ked up thing I read for a good while.

I know, I know- no chance if I keep hanging out on Fark.
 
6 days ago  
Who has custody of the children now? There were three at least - the baby and toddler left alive when their parents were shot, and the girl the custody dispute was about. Who is left on the victims' side of the family? The Manleys?
 
6 days ago  

FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.


That murder was 100% about controlling the ex-gf.  I highly doubt that single male redneck had any intention of actively raising that child
 
6 days ago  

mrmopar5287: Last Man on Earth: Then articles bring in the Manleys, but those are just the people who found the first bodies.

And this nugget of information: Ohio BCI investigated Bobbi Jo and James Manley for the murders. James was arrested and charged with tampering with evidence in 2017 after he smashed a GPS tracking device state agents had placed on his truck. At the time, their father, Leonard Manley, said the agents had claimed James failed a polygraph exam. The tampering with evidence charge was dropped days after it was filed.

If Ohio BCI had been a little less stringent on finding the actual murderers, they could have just sent these two to prison for life.


True.  I opted to leave that part out of the summary for simplicity's sake, since all that was after the fact and Farkers were still trying to piece together "okay, but what actually happened?"  It does bear mentioning in a larger analysis of the whole case, though, especially since they were Dana Rhoden's sister and BIL (which I guess makes them Hanna's maternal aunt & uncle, but TFA was weird on that point).
 
6 days ago  

Last Man on Earth: gkcook: I keep getting confused when I try to piece together what exactly happened.  Each news story tries to explain it but it's so convoluted and dumb that I give up reading it.

Yeah, they've made it more complicated than it needs to by by including a whole bunch of people who don't need to be there.  Let's try and dial it down:  Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden had a baby.  The couple didn't last, not least because the Wagners were a bunch of farking psychos (big shock, right?).  The Wagners had a cunning plan to make sure Jake (and by extension, the family) got full custody of the kid:  Get the family together, run around town one night, and murder Hanna and pretty much the whole adult Rhoden family so there'd be absolutely nobody left to get custody but Jake.

When you get down to it, it's just those two families, the Wagners (killers) and the Rhodens (murder victims).  Articles seem to keep wanting to complicate things by adding more people.  They keep mentioning the Gilleys, but the only person by that name involved at all was the fiancee of Hanna's brother.  She was a victim, but not a target; she happened to be there when they killed the brother.  Then articles bring in the Manleys, but those are just the people who found the first bodies.  Makes it really unnecessarily convoluted.


This is a good summary. There was one diversion tactic, one of the victims found dead at a different location was found with money thrown on his body. There were rumors about Mexican cartels being mad that the Rhodens had a weed-growing business going. There was the fact that the victim family had pit bulls in the house that didn't attack the murderers so they may have known them. Like I said, one of the redneckiest crime stories you'll read. It seems like that part of Ohio is deep Appalachia.
 
6 days ago  

J_Kushner: FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.

That murder was 100% about controlling the ex-gf.  I highly doubt that single male redneck had any intention of actively raising that child


The murdered ex GF had been involved with a new guy, so it definitely was about jealousy and control.
 
6 days ago  

dodecahedron: J_Kushner: FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.

That murder was 100% about controlling the ex-gf.  I highly doubt that single male redneck had any intention of actively raising that child

The murdered ex GF had been involved with a new guy, so it definitely was about jealousy and control.


The baby was for MurderMaw
 
6 days ago  
Well, now we know who the inspiration was for this character:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
6 days ago  

FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.


And now you know why I don't do family law anymore.

/nothing as bad as this case, but plenty of crap to turn your stomach on a daily basis
 
6 days ago  

schubie: FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.

I was ridiculed for suggesting it was the ex, because it's nearly always the ex. No it had to be cartels, a million dollar grow operation and street gangs from Chicago. It was farking memaw and her boy, the ex, all along.


The go-to explanation for smoothbrain racists within a thousand miles of the place...
 
6 days ago  

dodecahedron: Last Man on Earth: gkcook: I keep getting confused when I try to piece together what exactly happened.  Each news story tries to explain it but it's so convoluted and dumb that I give up reading it.

Yeah, they've made it more complicated than it needs to by by including a whole bunch of people who don't need to be there.  Let's try and dial it down:  Jake Wagner and Hanna Rhoden had a baby.  The couple didn't last, not least because the Wagners were a bunch of farking psychos (big shock, right?).  The Wagners had a cunning plan to make sure Jake (and by extension, the family) got full custody of the kid:  Get the family together, run around town one night, and murder Hanna and pretty much the whole adult Rhoden family so there'd be absolutely nobody left to get custody but Jake.

When you get down to it, it's just those two families, the Wagners (killers) and the Rhodens (murder victims).  Articles seem to keep wanting to complicate things by adding more people.  They keep mentioning the Gilleys, but the only person by that name involved at all was the fiancee of Hanna's brother.  She was a victim, but not a target; she happened to be there when they killed the brother.  Then articles bring in the Manleys, but those are just the people who found the first bodies.  Makes it really unnecessarily convoluted.

This is a good summary. There was one diversion tactic, one of the victims found dead at a different location was found with money thrown on his body. There were rumors about Mexican cartels being mad that the Rhodens had a weed-growing business going. There was the fact that the victim family had pit bulls in the house that didn't attack the murderers so they may have known them. Like I said, one of the redneckiest crime stories you'll read. It seems like that part of Ohio is deep Appalachia.


Should have killed the dogs to make it look like strangers had to do that in defense.
 
6 days ago  

dodecahedron: The redneckiest crime story you'll ever read.


Between TFA & a WikiReview of the "Pike County Murders," it's including but not limited to: all but one of the victims lived in mobile homes, the other victim lived in a camper, there was the small-time MJ growing, the small-time cockfighting operation, the pit bulls in one mobile home,...and a quick look at the map of Pike County OH makes it look like the perps & the victims lived closer to West Virginia & Kentucky than they did to Cincinnati. I can hear the banjos now....
 
6 days ago  
Every redneck has a story...And it's never good one...

That is a truism I've come to see re-enforced over and over..
 
6 days ago  
FTA: Kenneth Rhoden's cousin found him hours later shot in his camper on Left Fork Rd.

That was the entire paragraph. The previous paragraph mentioned the sheriff. Was he found dead?

Or should it have been written:

Kenneth Rhoden was found,by his cousin, hours later shot in his camper on Left Fork Rd.
 
6 days ago  
th.bing.comView Full Size
 
6 days ago  

PunGent: FrancoFile: Wow.  I remember reading about this when it first happened (I grew up 50 miles from there).  Lots of speculation about meth trafficking, the mafia, etc.

To find out that the whole thing was a custody squabble is just really depressing.

And now you know why I don't do family law anymore.

/nothing as bad as this case, but plenty of crap to turn your stomach on a daily basis


I have a friend whose FIL convinced him to get a law degree and join his firm.  He lasted 2 years in family law, and 1 year after that.  He now manages the QA department for a small software company.
 
6 days ago  
Killing eight people is no way to get custody, grandma

It is if they're the only ones in front of you in line.

Wait... that's the Crown.  I'm thinking of the Heir to the Crown you get by murdering the rest of your family.

Custody of the kids you get by convincing the court that mom is a drug addict.
 
Displayed 50 of 65 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.