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2021-09-12 11:36:56 AM  
Original Tweet:

 
2021-09-12 12:00:55 PM  
That helmet vendor needs to make this part of am ad campaign
 
2021-09-12 12:25:16 PM  
 
2021-09-12 12:30:24 PM  
The crash (hopefully not geo-blocked):
UNREAL MOMENT! Hamilton-Verstappen collide and BOTH crash out 🤯
Youtube JaPKqGO59T0
 
2021-09-12 12:38:14 PM  

iron de havilland: The crash (hopefully not geo-blocked):
[YouTube video: UNREAL MOMENT! Hamilton-Verstappen collide and BOTH crash out 🤯]


Blocked.
 
2021-09-12 12:42:46 PM  
https://youtu.be/1ZgniFQiTPA

Crash highlights around the 3 minute mark. F1 won't allow embedding videos of course
 
2021-09-12 1:10:26 PM  
The kerbs are finally fighting back
 
2021-09-12 2:07:42 PM  

west.la.lawyer: https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/20​1​11099/what-halo-why-being-introduced-f​1-2018

I had to look it up - so here


From that article: There are still some drivers that are against the Halo -- most notably Romain Grosjean who recently said he "hated it" and it made him "feel sick"

I think we can assume he has changed his opinion since....
 
2021-09-12 2:09:56 PM  
Happy no one was hurt and happier that RIC won.  Would be nice to start seeing McLaren like this again. :)
 
2021-09-12 4:12:38 PM  
Hamilton today, Grosjean last year, LeClerc a couple years back.

That halo has been an amazing leap in safety.
 
2021-09-12 4:13:19 PM  
Didn't the halo also save him a previous time when he went under a barrier? This was just in the last...year or so.
 
2021-09-12 4:14:13 PM  

rightClick: Hamilton today, Grosjean last year, LeClerc a couple years back.

That halo has been an amazing leap in safety.


Grosjean was the one I was thinking of.
 
2021-09-12 4:46:46 PM  

Snaps: https://youtu.be/1ZgniFQiTPA

Crash highlights around the 3 minute mark. F1 won't allow embedding videos of course


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VSww​Z​YDW94

The crash itself, without the rest of the highlight reel. F1's Youtube channel, so no embedding.


Barfmaker: Didn't the halo also save him a previous time when he went under a barrier? This was just in the last...year or so.


Yeah, that was Grosjean at Bahrain last year. That crash also highlighted problems with the less safe (but also less expensive) armco barriers
 
2021-09-12 4:54:46 PM  
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2021-09-12 5:33:00 PM  
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2021-09-12 6:20:14 PM  

iron de havilland: The crash (hopefully not geo-blocked):


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2021-09-12 6:30:11 PM  
 
2021-09-12 6:41:10 PM  
After last week's snooze-fest, Monza, once again, turns out to be an interesting race.

Wonder if the next safety discussion will revolve around those sausage kerbs.  Unless the FIA considers pole vaulting as part of the appeal.
 
2021-09-12 6:41:30 PM  
Well how about that?

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I guess Red Bull does give you wings.
 
2021-09-12 7:40:41 PM  
Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?
 
2021-09-12 7:45:28 PM  
Anyone who hates the halo can piss off. It works.We would have had at least 4 fatal accidents that I can think of without it
 
2021-09-12 8:15:35 PM  

theotherlondon: Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?


Swear there was a comment or two in the live race thread about Twitter lighting up with racist abuse of Hamilton after the incident, but I can't find it in the thread.

Either my memory's faulty or the mods deleted those comments for being off-topic.

/Knowing Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if he received a bunch of racist abuse.
 
2021-09-12 8:27:02 PM  

iron de havilland: theotherlondon: Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?

Swear there was a comment or two in the live race thread about Twitter lighting up with racist abuse of Hamilton after the incident, but I can't find it in the thread.

Either my memory's faulty or the mods deleted those comments for being off-topic.

/Knowing Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if he received a bunch of racist abuse.


There is still a mention in the Fark thread, but I haven't been to Twitter.

The hate is likely from those who think the crash was Lewis' fault. The racism is from those who can't help themselves.
 
2021-09-13 1:05:41 AM  

iron de havilland: theotherlondon: Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?

Swear there was a comment or two in the live race thread about Twitter lighting up with racist abuse of Hamilton after the incident, but I can't find it in the thread.

Either my memory's faulty or the mods deleted those comments for being off-topic.

/Knowing Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if he received a bunch of racist abuse.


I would not be surprised. Lewis has unfortunately dealt with racist "fans" throughout his entire career.  The Spaniards were so bad that F1 had to threaten to remove any future races in the country.  Alonso being tone deaf did not help matters at all. Now that Lewis's main rival is Dutch, he is dealing with it again.  If ask how the Dutch could be racist, look up Black Pete.

Lewis got saved by the halo, though he could have been severely injured when Max spun his tires while on top of Hamilton. The FIA needs to address Max's behavior with Horner and threaten suspension to get it across that he is going to kill someone if he does not fix the behavioral issues Max and the team are not addressing.  It is beyond hard driving and Christian is adding fuel to fire with his own actions.
 
6 days ago  

soj4life: iron de havilland: theotherlondon: Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?

Swear there was a comment or two in the live race thread about Twitter lighting up with racist abuse of Hamilton after the incident, but I can't find it in the thread.

Either my memory's faulty or the mods deleted those comments for being off-topic.

/Knowing Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if he received a bunch of racist abuse.

I would not be surprised. Lewis has unfortunately dealt with racist "fans" throughout his entire career.  The Spaniards were so bad that F1 had to threaten to remove any future races in the country.  Alonso being tone deaf did not help matters at all. Now that Lewis's main rival is Dutch, he is dealing with it again.  If ask how the Dutch could be racist, look up Black Pete.

Lewis got saved by the halo, though he could have been severely injured when Max spun his tires while on top of Hamilton. The FIA needs to address Max's behavior with Horner and threaten suspension to get it across that he is going to kill someone if he does not fix the behavioral issues Max and the team are not addressing.  It is beyond hard driving and Christian is adding fuel to fire with his own actions.


All of this. Verstappen is reckless, particularly when it comes to encounters with Hamilton. Listening to Horner after the race it didn't sound to me like he really meant what he was saying in his defence, but was defending his guy nonetheless.
 
6 days ago  

ukexpat: soj4life: iron de havilland: theotherlondon: Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?

Swear there was a comment or two in the live race thread about Twitter lighting up with racist abuse of Hamilton after the incident, but I can't find it in the thread.

Either my memory's faulty or the mods deleted those comments for being off-topic.

/Knowing Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if he received a bunch of racist abuse.

I would not be surprised. Lewis has unfortunately dealt with racist "fans" throughout his entire career.  The Spaniards were so bad that F1 had to threaten to remove any future races in the country.  Alonso being tone deaf did not help matters at all. Now that Lewis's main rival is Dutch, he is dealing with it again.  If ask how the Dutch could be racist, look up Black Pete.

Lewis got saved by the halo, though he could have been severely injured when Max spun his tires while on top of Hamilton. The FIA needs to address Max's behavior with Horner and threaten suspension to get it across that he is going to kill someone if he does not fix the behavioral issues Max and the team are not addressing.  It is beyond hard driving and Christian is adding fuel to fire with his own actions.

All of this. Verstappen is reckless, particularly when it comes to encounters with Hamilton. Listening to Horner after the race it didn't sound to me like he really meant what he was saying in his defence, but was defending his guy nonetheless.


Um, if Hamilton hadn't squeezed him ONTO the sausage curbs (kerbs for you limeys), the situation never would have developed.

/Yeah Verstappen did the exact same thing at the second chicane, except there's no sausage curbs there...
//BS that Max got a penalty but Lewis didn't
 
6 days ago  

REDARMYVODKA: Um, if Hamilton hadn't squeezed him ONTO the sausage curbs (kerbs for you limeys), the situation never would have developed.

/Yeah Verstappen did the exact same thing at the second chicane, except there's no sausage curbs there...
//BS that Max got a penalty but Lewis didn't


Max had plenty of room to back off, or leave the track and avoid the collision. Exactly as Lewis had to do on lap one, where he lost a couple of places.
 
6 days ago  
I think the sausage kerbs need an immediate reevaluation.

The cars have gotten wider 3-4 years straight, but the tracks remain the same width, which is relatively narrow. I think evidence of that are the massive uptick in warnings and penalties for exceeding track limits these past two years. 

Turns 1-2 @ Monza are a meat grinder, and not the place to "send it." I lay fault for this one at the buried nose of Max's car.

But you can't look at this without thinking of Copse @ Silverstone. Lewis sent it on a high speed turn, relying on the car he was racing to lift and give up the position. Max Verstappen does not do that. Whether you think it's aggressive or foolish, Lewis was well aware that in order complete that overtake, Max would have to do something he never does: lift.

In both cases, things happened really farking fast. At Silverstone, Lewis was alongside Verstappen going into the turn; less than a second later, Verstappen was almost completely past Hamilton. Yesterday, Verstappen thought he had a shot at the inside line, but Hamilton closed the door before Max could stake his claim. Without the sausage kerb, I could see floorboard or wing damage, possibly a puncture, but both cars surviving and racing for points at the end. 

But as with Copse, the collision at Variante del Rettifilo was because neither driver backed down. They can't. One's a seven-time world champ and the other is a world champ-in-waiting. To attain that status, you don't yield.

I used to wonder when Max came to F1 and crashed often why RBR were so high on him, but now I see it: he always goes for it, and he's getting better at managing the car and keeping it on the track. 

I just wish the tracks had a little more room and there weren't things like sausage kerbs so close to the track that can launch cars into the air.
 
6 days ago  

REDARMYVODKA: Um, if Hamilton hadn't squeezed him ONTO the sausage curbs (kerbs for you limeys), the situation never would have developed.

/Yeah Verstappen did the exact same thing at the second chicane, except there's no sausage curbs there...
//BS that Max got a penalty but Lewis didn't


Ah yes, finally a requisite Verstappen apologist.

While I think the penalty was a bit much, Verstappen still has that 'I'm fast and everyone should get out of my way' mentality.  That works when you're the scrappy underdog, but he needs to realize that 1) everyone else is also entitled to race and 2) champions always have more to lose.
 
6 days ago  

REDARMYVODKA: //BS that Max got a penalty but Lewis didn't


The reason Max got the penalty is because the stewards determined that he attempted to make a pass that wasn't possible. From the FIA decision:

The Stewards observed on CCTV footage that the driver of Car 44 was driving an avoiding line, although his position caused Car 33 to go onto the curb. But further, the Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into the entry into Turn 1. In the opinion of the Stewards, this maneuver was attempted too late for the driver of Car 33 to have 'the right to racing room.'

Now, am I surprised that Max got a penalty there? Yes. I thought it was a racing incident and nothing should've been handed out. But in the stewards' view, he went full Leeroy Jenkins and got dinged for it.
 
6 days ago  
Looks like I was right
This was Max's fault

I'll accept all apologies in the form of good tequila or a job with f1
 
6 days ago  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: The cars have gotten wider 3-4 years straight, but the tracks remain the same width, which is relatively narrow. I think evidence of that are the massive uptick in warnings and penalties for exceeding track limits these past two years.


I've driven around the Canadian Grand Prix circuit in Montreal and was amazed how narrow it is. Most of it is just an average British A road.
 
6 days ago  

soj4life: iron de havilland: theotherlondon: Wonder how he will turn it into a racist thing?

Swear there was a comment or two in the live race thread about Twitter lighting up with racist abuse of Hamilton after the incident, but I can't find it in the thread.

Either my memory's faulty or the mods deleted those comments for being off-topic.

/Knowing Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if he received a bunch of racist abuse.

I would not be surprised. Lewis has unfortunately dealt with racist "fans" throughout his entire career.  The Spaniards were so bad that F1 had to threaten to remove any future races in the country.  Alonso being tone deaf did not help matters at all. Now that Lewis's main rival is Dutch, he is dealing with it again.  If ask how the Dutch could be racist, look up Black Pete.

Lewis got saved by the halo, though he could have been severely injured when Max spun his tires while on top of Hamilton. The FIA needs to address Max's behavior with Horner and threaten suspension to get it across that he is going to kill someone if he does not fix the behavioral issues Max and the team are not addressing.  It is beyond hard driving and Christian is adding fuel to fire with his own actions.


And the racism against Lewis is spilling into outright wishing for his death.  Here are just a couple of screengrabs I got today:

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Anyone claiming Hamilton is "using this to turn it into a racism thing" is an idiot, and likely a racist themselves if they can't see it. (or refuse to acknowledge it)
 
6 days ago  
It's kind of interesting too that there was a backlash against Lewis for celebrating his home GP win exuberantly while Max was in the hospital. But Max didn't even have the basic decency to check he hadn't killed Lewis before going back to his trailer.

Lewis Hamilton is only alive because of the Halo. Max walked straight past him without checking on him. Proper dick move. Consider Vettel stopping to check on Lando last time - they compete against each other but they're playing the same game.

To completely ignore a participant in a crash you're involved in - no matter who caused it - is a dick move.
 
6 days ago  

iron de havilland: It's kind of interesting too that there was a backlash against Lewis for celebrating his home GP win exuberantly while Max was in the hospital. But Max didn't even have the basic decency to check he hadn't killed Lewis before going back to his trailer.

Lewis Hamilton is only alive because of the Halo. Max walked straight past him without checking on him. Proper dick move. Consider Vettel stopping to check on Lando last time - they compete against each other but they're playing the same game.

To completely ignore a participant in a crash you're involved in - no matter who caused it - is a dick move.


Also, it was pointed out on a podcast I was listening to earlier that Max walked on to the track to storm away from the crash. You NEVER walk on to a track when cars are running, even if they're supposed to slow down there. Max lost his mind there, plain and simple. There comes a point where he's risking losing the respect of the entire grid, not just Lewis.
 
6 days ago  

desertgeek: iron de havilland: It's kind of interesting too that there was a backlash against Lewis for celebrating his home GP win exuberantly while Max was in the hospital. But Max didn't even have the basic decency to check he hadn't killed Lewis before going back to his trailer.

Lewis Hamilton is only alive because of the Halo. Max walked straight past him without checking on him. Proper dick move. Consider Vettel stopping to check on Lando last time - they compete against each other but they're playing the same game.

To completely ignore a participant in a crash you're involved in - no matter who caused it - is a dick move.

Also, it was pointed out on a podcast I was listening to earlier that Max walked on to the track to storm away from the crash. You NEVER walk on to a track when cars are running, even if they're supposed to slow down there. Max lost his mind there, plain and simple. There comes a point where he's risking losing the respect of the entire grid, not just Lewis.


This...we watched the accident and probably reacted the same as everyone.  Followed by oh that's a jerk move not checking on Hamilton, but whatever...ooooh holy fark he's crossing the track on foot.

Pretty sure they only had yellow flags out by then as well. Can't believe how he didn't somehow get dinged for that
 
6 days ago  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: The cars have gotten wider 3-4 years straight, but the tracks remain the same width, which is relatively narrow. I think evidence of that are the massive uptick in warnings and penalties for exceeding track limits these past two years.


No, the cars got wider once, in 2017, but it's still not as wide as they once were, and the track limits penalties are from the FIA more concretely defining and enforcing the limits than they used to, and they have to do this because the curbs and run-offs are so different than they used to be.

If you go back to, say, 1991, the cars were actually wider than they are today (215 cm vs. 200 cm now), and the curbs were a lot harsher (probably 10-15 cm high, and maybe as much as 30°):

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Track limits were pretty self-policing; the drivers would lean on the curbs, but not too much, because the cars really didn't like bouncing off them. But those curbs had a habit of launching out-of-control vehicles, and injuring crashing motorcycle riders, so curbs were modified to the wide, flat, serrated curbs of today. But modern F1 cars are so grippy, they don't care; the curbs, the Astroturf verges, anything that's not dirt, grass, or gravel are basically just track extensions to them, which effectively makes the track wider by as many meters as the drivers can get away with. And it's the FIA's decision to enforce those limits, because if they didn't, well:

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That's actually what the sausage curbs were intended to accomplish: just like the old curbs, the cars hate bouncing off them, and the drivers take significant penalties for doing so (in lost time and bodywork). But now you're back to flying cars, and... welp. So it falls to the stewards to enforce track limits.

Although really, given the minimum width of a Grade 1 track is (supposed to be) 8 m, the difference between the 1.8 and 2.0 m cars is 22.5% and 25% of minimum track width, it's not like the cars all of a sudden turned into these massive, track-blocking behemoths. In any event, drivers would still be trying to take the same, massively wide racing lines, regardless of how wide the cars are, and they'd still run afoul of the same track limits violations, and it'd still be just as difficult to go side-by-side.
 
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