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2021-09-10 3:11:57 PM  
All bikes belong on the road.
 
2021-09-10 3:45:11 PM  
I'd be more interested in an ebike that can actually carry my fat butt.

Maybe I should start looking into etrikes.

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2021-09-10 3:49:02 PM  
evolution of douchbaggery
 
2021-09-10 3:59:12 PM  
My wife got an eBike. She jauntily cried out "on your left" as she easily passed me and my old Cannondale road bike on a long, steep climb this weekend. I wanted to throttle her.
 
2021-09-10 4:00:39 PM  
At 37mph, that thing needs to be banned from bike lanes & multi-use paths. People will get hurt - the driver and/or others.
 
2021-09-10 4:05:29 PM  

aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.


Now you done it, the Fark bike brigade will come to explain why their hobby belongs everywhere
 
2021-09-10 4:08:19 PM  
That depends on your liability insurance for when you knock over a pedestrian and they sue you into the stone age.
 
2021-09-10 4:08:46 PM  
When the speed hits plaid.
 
2021-09-10 4:10:38 PM  
That bike also looks ugly & cringe AF.

It looks like a bicycle designed by a car company.
 
2021-09-10 4:11:08 PM  
It belongs on the road by default.  But 37 MPH in dedicated bike roads/separated bike lanes seems a bit fast.  I've seen urban bike roads with 15 mph speed limits where many riders could and did exceed the limit.  And yes, it's dangerous once you get past 20.

My feeling is this is one where it's application is primarily for urban use where it's on streets with cars and in that case, it's fine, go for it.
 
2021-09-10 4:24:16 PM  
My neighbor has an ebike, but it's more like a motorcycle.  He told me it only goes 20mph, but he zips on that thing.  He also never wears a helmet.  It's the law in this state that you have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle, but I guess this is a gray area.

He also sometimes straps his 2 year-old to his chest and his 5 year-old in a bike seat on the back and zooms around.  The kids do wear helmets though.  I'm pretty sure kids on motorcycles is illegal in this state too.
 
2021-09-10 4:34:05 PM  

Myk-House of El: But 37 MPH in dedicated bike roads/separated bike lanes seems a bit fast.


A bit fast? That's incredibly fast.

my guess is that road bike enthusiast probably tops out at 30 MPH in a sharp down hill and while peddling.

The average yokel going that fast, let alone 37 MPH is not going to be able to control the bike, especially when they predictably take it on sidewalks.
 
2021-09-10 4:42:42 PM  
Yesterday I was coming home on a 2 lane (in each direction) road with a 45 MPH speed limit.  Guy in the right hand lane was doing 45 on a scooter with those little 3"-4" wheels, wearing shorts, a T shirt, and a helmet.

I was behind this guy for maybe 5 minutes due to stoplights and a slow asshole in the left lane.  I kept waiting for his front wheel to hit some tiny rock so he would go head over heels, never happened.
 
2021-09-10 4:44:14 PM  

GregInIndy: At 37mph, that thing needs to be banned from bike lanes & multi-use paths. People will get hurt - the driver and/or others.


i seriously doubt those little brakes are up to the task of stopping a 300lb-er rolling at 35mph.

the lawsuits are going to be rolling in, like a fat guy going to fast on a bike with small brakes.
 
2021-09-10 4:48:45 PM  

tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: At 37mph, that thing needs to be banned from bike lanes & multi-use paths. People will get hurt - the driver and/or others.

i seriously doubt those little brakes are up to the task of stopping a 300lb-er rolling at 35mph.

the lawsuits are going to be rolling in, like a fat guy going to fast on a bike with small brakes.


It likely has disc brakes like a car.  I just bought a nice fitness bike, it can quickly stop from top speed down a hill in a surprisingly short distance.  The problem is being strong enough and skilled enough not to wreck or fall off the bike in doing so.
And yeah, at 37 mph it's essentially a motorcycle.
 
2021-09-10 4:51:26 PM  

tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: At 37mph, that thing needs to be banned from bike lanes & multi-use paths. People will get hurt - the driver and/or others.

i seriously doubt those little brakes are up to the task of stopping a 300lb-er rolling at 35mph.

the lawsuits are going to be rolling in, like a fat guy going to fast on a bike with small brakes.


So you've called out bike riders and fat guys... throw in erectile disfunction and you might as well call me out by name.
 
2021-09-10 4:51:30 PM  

thornhill: A bit fast? That's incredibly fast.

my guess is that road bike enthusiast probably tops out at 30 MPH in a sharp down hill and while peddling.

The average yokel going that fast, let alone 37 MPH is not going to be able to control the bike, especially when they predictably take it on sidewalks.


I have a gift for understatement.

Regardless, if reaction time is what you mean by bike control, I agree.  There's a 3 class standard to ebikes and this one is in class 3.  In most places, class 3 are only allowed on streets, possibly unprotected bike lanes, but that's not universal.  Riding it on a sidewalk or a dedicated bike path is as illegal as riding a motorcycle on one.  Local rules do vary.
 
2021-09-10 4:53:17 PM  
Psh.  There are electric unicycles that go 40 mph, and that's just 1 wheel!  I'd like to see how they manage 180 miles of range though.  It must weigh at least as much as a motorcycle in batteries alone.
 
2021-09-10 4:53:30 PM  
E-bikes that go over a certain speed really should be treated like mopeds for registration/licensing and legal use purposes. In my state the upper speed limit for mopeds is 30mph, more than that is a motorcycle, so IMO this specific e-bike should be treated as a motorcycle.
 
2021-09-10 4:54:06 PM  
Same goes for all the god-damned quadrunners and up that the local rednecks drive on the streets (including the farking sheriff's department).

There are more and more of the and I assume it's to help hunt down and kill people once they drop all pretense in 2022.
 
2021-09-10 5:28:19 PM  

gopher321: I'd be more interested in an ebike that can actually carry my fat butt.

Maybe I should start looking into etrikes.

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I've got one. Steering is much different than a bike and very difficult on crowned roads.

On subject: the motor's defaults to 20 mph.  No way! See above.
 
2021-09-10 5:29:04 PM  
for a site called treehuggers, they do seem to clutch at pearls.

I mean, yeah, 37 is scooter speed, so design it as such, but man the writing, I wanted to be on whatever side the writer wasnt.
 
2021-09-10 5:39:38 PM  

Snotnose: Yesterday I was coming home on a 2 lane (in each direction) road with a 45 MPH speed limit.  Guy in the right hand lane was doing 45 on a scooter with those little 3"-4" wheels, wearing shorts, a T shirt, and a helmet.

I was behind this guy for maybe 5 minutes due to stoplights and a slow asshole in the left lane.  I kept waiting for his front wheel to hit some tiny rock so he would go head over heels, never happened.


About 10 years ago a friend of mine souped up his ebike to go 45mph. First time out at that speed on a road he promptly hit a pebble and broke his collarbone. At least he was wearing a helmet.
 
2021-09-10 5:42:08 PM  
Dont care, I want one.
 
2021-09-10 5:48:14 PM  

GutFunk: Psh.  There are electric unicycles that go 40 mph, and that's just 1 wheel!  I'd like to see how they manage 180 miles of range though.  It must weigh at least as much as a motorcycle in batteries alone.


I'd like to see a group of people in matching shorts riding those in a group like Dr Seuss' Bears on Wheels
 
2021-09-10 5:48:34 PM  

Rapmaster2000: My neighbor has an ebike, but it's more like a motorcycle.  He told me it only goes 20mph, but he zips on that thing.  He also never wears a helmet.  It's the law in this state that you have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle, but I guess this is a gray area.

He also sometimes straps his 2 year-old to his chest and his 5 year-old in a bike seat on the back and zooms around.  The kids do wear helmets though.  I'm pretty sure kids on motorcycles is illegal in this state too.


I hope the gray area isn't his brain injury and being unable to raise his kids if something happens. Still no license to be a parent, though!
 
2021-09-10 6:08:17 PM  
That motorbike is going to cave in a lot of faces.

Meanwhile, all pedal bicycles belong on the road, in Canada. People under 16 can ride on the sidewalk, and under 12, the sidewalk is ideal. But roads are for all bicycles.
 
2021-09-10 6:17:29 PM  

Fano: aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.

Now you done it, the Fark bike brigade will come to explain why their hobby belongs everywhere


Now you done it, the Fark anti-bike brigade will come to explain why driving in cars makes them the king and queens of the world, and how it's best to be lazy when they commute.
 
2021-09-10 6:29:01 PM  

aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.


Buried under tread marks.
 
2021-09-10 6:41:39 PM  
This is fine. A 55cc scooter which requires a license tops out at 35mph.

It's not really fine, people will die on those tires. fark that noise.
 
2021-09-10 6:43:53 PM  
The issue is contact patch of the tire. A scooter tire and a bike tire are pretty different. You have zero room to screw around on a bicycle tired at 35mph. You're going straight and pretty much only straight at that point.
 
2021-09-10 6:59:57 PM  

tom baker's scarf: GregInIndy: At 37mph, that thing needs to be banned from bike lanes & multi-use paths. People will get hurt - the driver and/or others.

i seriously doubt those little brakes are up to the task of stopping a 300lb-er rolling at 35mph.

the lawsuits are going to be rolling in, like a fat guy going to fast on a bike with small brakes.


The e-bikes I've looked at have disc brakes, not old-style clinchers.
 
2021-09-10 7:03:02 PM  

Lish: E-bikes that go over a certain speed really should be treated like mopeds for registration/licensing and legal use purposes. In my state the upper speed limit for mopeds is 30mph, more than that is a motorcycle, so IMO this specific e-bike should be treated as a motorcycle.


In my state a Class 3 e-bike (over 20 mph) requires a driver's license with a motorcycle endorsement.
 
2021-09-10 7:07:07 PM  

aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.


If all bikes belong on the road, all cars belong on the bike path.
 
2021-09-10 7:09:24 PM  

Karne: Fano: aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.

Now you done it, the Fark bike brigade will come to explain why their hobby belongs everywhere

Now you done it, the Fark anti-bike brigade will come to explain why driving in cars makes them the king and queens of the world, and how it's best to be lazy when they commute.


Why do you hate the handicapped? Because if you're not handicapped now.......father time and lady karma might have a word with you.
 
2021-09-10 7:12:14 PM  

optikeye: aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.

If all bikes belong on the road, all cars belong on the bike path.


Cars belong everywhere, man. Cars want to be free.
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2021-09-10 7:16:14 PM  

Algebrat: optikeye: aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.

If all bikes belong on the road, all cars belong on the bike path.

Cars belong everywhere, man. Cars want to be free.
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2021-09-10 7:16:21 PM  
I recently bought an ebike so I had to look into this exact thing.

The legal limit appears to be 20mph. My bike has a speed limiter built into it, so that you top out at that speed. You can go faster, but only under your own pedal power. The electronics throttle back at speeds above 20mph.

This makes my bike a Class 2, which means it's legal to ride anywhere a bicycle is.

More info about ebike classes here.
 
2021-09-10 7:19:28 PM  
And oldly prophetic movie. With John Ritter.

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2021-09-10 7:29:29 PM  
Funny, I was thinking about this yesterday.

Ideally we would have separate, separated bikeways. E-bikes are likely going to be a major part of transit in sane parts of the world, but there is not a clear boundary between them an electric mopeds like this monster. I would say bike routes that are more highway like and bike routes in cities need different speed limits. Also, I have long believed bikes need working brake and turn indicators, which nowadays is trivially easy.

In an ideal situation, there would be bike "highways" with a speed limit or 20 or 25 mph and slower bike routes with speed limits of 10 or 15 mph. Electric assist should be developed, especially because most places aren't as flat as the Netherlands.
 
2021-09-10 7:36:30 PM  

optikeye: And oldly prophetic movie. With John Ritter.

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Omg...I must watch that movie again.
The "Marina Lagoon" "Western Whitehouse sign is hysterical. This was like 1979 or so.
 
2021-09-10 7:40:11 PM  

Karne: Fano: aleister_greynight: All bikes belong on the road.

Now you done it, the Fark bike brigade will come to explain why their hobby belongs everywhere

Now you done it, the Fark anti-bike brigade will come to explain why driving in cars makes them the king and queens of the world, and how it's best to be lazy when they commute.


Yeah, the standard retort from bikers, assuming that everyone shares their weird perversion or else only rolls around in cars.
Bikers are always dickheads to pedestrians and joggers.
 
2021-09-10 7:48:51 PM  
I'm confused... I thought an ebike was an electric moped, and you couldn't ride an ebike  on a bike trail when the motor was on (because then it's a motor vehicle).

It looks like BMW just made a better electric moped. Do you have to have a DUI to buy one, or can anyone partake?
 
2021-09-10 8:02:02 PM  
On the road, but you better have a slow moving orange triangle, motorcycle endorsement, and wear a quality stupid helmet.
 
2021-09-10 8:57:04 PM  
A couple weeks back in a storm I was passed by one when I was going over thirty.
 
2021-09-10 10:17:36 PM  
As a hiker, I'd rather encounter an ebike than a peddle-only mountain bike.  The ebikers have better control over their machines.
 
2021-09-10 11:59:59 PM  
Another good question: since 30mph electric bikes are apparently a-ok on the bike/pedestrian paths here in L.A., can we now ride *all* motorcycles on the paths?
 
2021-09-11 12:33:24 AM  

Rapmaster2000: My neighbor has an ebike, but it's more like a motorcycle.  He told me it only goes 20mph, but he zips on that thing.  He also never wears a helmet.  It's the law in this state that you have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle, but I guess this is a gray area.

He also sometimes straps his 2 year-old to his chest and his 5 year-old in a bike seat on the back and zooms around.  The kids do wear helmets though.  I'm pretty sure kids on motorcycles is illegal in this state too.


The kids getting road rashed over 25% of their bodies will resolve that situation tout de suite.
 
2021-09-11 12:35:29 AM  

thornhill: Myk-House of El: But 37 MPH in dedicated bike roads/separated bike lanes seems a bit fast.

A bit fast? That's incredibly fast.

my guess is that road bike enthusiast probably tops out at 30 MPH in a sharp down hill and while peddling.

The average yokel going that fast, let alone 37 MPH is not going to be able to control the bike, especially when they predictably take it on sidewalks.


35mph is close to unmanageable. One bad crack in the pavement and its cheese grater time.
 
2021-09-11 7:52:26 AM  

The Darkest Timeline: Another good question: since 30mph electric bikes are apparently a-ok on the bike/pedestrian paths here in L.A., can we now ride *all* motorcycles on the paths?


You're really advocating for dirtbags and dentists to be able to clog up the bike lanes with their 800 pound HD noisemakers?
 
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