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(NPR)   Biden to withdraw his nominee for leading the ATF on news that he was triggering gun fanatics, Republicans, and those all-important "moderate Democrats." Because heavens, triggering those people would be, you know, mean and stuff   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-09-09 12:20:45 PM  
Phew. For a minute there, we almost had a guy with actual ATF knowledge.
 
2021-09-09 12:21:36 PM  
With "stuff" possibly including "get them to start voting for Republicans instead" for some of the moron assholes among the "moderate Democrats".


"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
 
2021-09-09 2:42:35 PM  
"advisors" strike again.
 
2021-09-09 2:53:18 PM  
He would have been an exemplary Director of the ATF and would have redoubled its efforts to crack down on illegal firearms traffickers and help keep our communities safe from gun violence," Biden said in a statement on Thursday.

Isn't this like closing the barn door a decade after the last animal left?
 
2021-09-09 3:13:44 PM  
With the Senate evenly divided and Republicans united in opposition, Chipman needed every Democratic and independent senator to push his nomination across the line. In the end, that didn't happen.

Can subby math?
 
2021-09-09 3:13:49 PM  
Gun?  GUN?  That is a worship word.  Republican worship.  You will not speak it.
 
2021-09-09 3:13:56 PM  
News flash: Collective punishment is still immoral, even when it's for a cause as noble as restricting gun ownership.  Ric has more at 11.
 
2021-09-09 3:14:29 PM  
To be fair you don't want the guy charged with handling large, dangerous mammals to be in the habit of riling them up.
 
2021-09-09 3:14:33 PM  
I mean, sure, they kicked the doors down to stop the vote, but can we really know what they were up to???


American justice is farking corrupt.
 
2021-09-09 3:15:54 PM  
Nominate ol' poopy pants!!!

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2021-09-09 3:16:04 PM  
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2021-09-09 3:17:18 PM  

abb3w: With "stuff" possibly including "get them to start voting for Republicans instead" for some of the moron assholes among the "moderate Democrats".


"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."


Since when is the US a democracy?
 
2021-09-09 3:19:04 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: News flash: Collective punishment is still immoral, even when it's for a cause as noble as restricting gun ownership.  Ric has more at 11.


Only a gun-lover would claim that gun control is a form of collective punishment.
 
2021-09-09 3:19:40 PM  
I wonder if they'll go with one of the other candidates, like the AR-15 with googly eyes glued onto it
 
2021-09-09 3:19:53 PM  
Coward
 
2021-09-09 3:20:11 PM  
Meanwhile, in Rural America:
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2021-09-09 3:20:36 PM  

lordjupiter: With the Senate evenly divided and Republicans united in opposition, Chipman needed every Democratic and independent senator to push his nomination across the line. In the end, that didn't happen.

Can subby math?


Common thread on fark these days is to blame "Democrats" as a whole, or sometimes Biden, because there are a few Democrats who have the ability to hold things up.

Apparently the party is supposed to "overpower" these roadblocks.
 
2021-09-09 3:21:12 PM  
Testicular fortitude sadly lacking here.
 
2021-09-09 3:23:43 PM  
Seemed a little too on-the-nose

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2021-09-09 3:25:46 PM  

lordjupiter: With the Senate evenly divided and Republicans united in opposition, Chipman needed every Democratic and independent senator to push his nomination across the line. In the end, that didn't happen.

Can subby math?


Maybe he's not counting Manchin/Sinema as dems, since they aren't.
 
2021-09-09 3:29:54 PM  

Dafatone: lordjupiter: With the Senate evenly divided and Republicans united in opposition, Chipman needed every Democratic and independent senator to push his nomination across the line. In the end, that didn't happen.

Can subby math?

Common thread on fark these days is to blame "Democrats" as a whole, or sometimes Biden, because there are a few Democrats who have the ability to hold things up.

Apparently the party is supposed to "overpower" these roadblocks.


Probably the same person who recently submitted a (deleted) link with a misleading headline claiming Biden wasn't going to do X because it offended Republicans even though nothing in the article even came close to saying that.
 
2021-09-09 3:30:09 PM  

Dafatone: lordjupiter: With the Senate evenly divided and Republicans united in opposition, Chipman needed every Democratic and independent senator to push his nomination across the line. In the end, that didn't happen.

Can subby math?

Common thread on fark these days is to blame "Democrats" as a whole, or sometimes Biden, because there are a few Democrats who have the ability to hold things up.

Apparently the party is supposed to "overpower" these roadblocks.


This expectation only ever falls on "establishment" Democrats.  The chosen few D's otoh apparently don't have access to the magical power that can overturn basic mathematics.
 
2021-09-09 3:35:04 PM  

anfrind: Only a gun-lover would claim that gun control is a form of collective punishment.


Really?  What else is it, if you take my guns away, or restrict my right to purchase more, because some gang-bangers in Chicago can't keep their hormones under control?

If that's not the definition of collective punishment, can you tell me what is?
 
2021-09-09 3:37:48 PM  
Laugh all the way to a Republican majority in the Senate, if you like.  I won't be laughing because that'll be a huge problem for all of us, but if you can find humor in the situation, more power to you.
 
2021-09-09 3:41:00 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: anfrind: Only a gun-lover would claim that gun control is a form of collective punishment.

Really?  What else is it, if you take my guns away, or restrict my right to purchase more, because some gang-bangers in Chicago can't keep their hormones under control?

If that's not the definition of collective punishment, can you tell me what is?


It's just gun-lovers throwing a tantrum.  And it always has been.
 
2021-09-09 3:42:14 PM  
Thanks, Neera Tanden.
 
2021-09-09 3:44:58 PM  
Biden is already planning on taking their guns.  Just like Obama did and Clinton before him.

Got a list of people with Covid shots, Bible (number/location) and guns (number/location).  So he's got a list.  Gonna check it twice and he's gonna find out who's packing and prayin' tonight.  Sleepy Joe Biden is coming for your Jesus shiat tonight.
 
2021-09-09 3:46:57 PM  
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2021-09-09 3:47:12 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: abb3w: With "stuff" possibly including "get them to start voting for Republicans instead" for some of the moron assholes among the "moderate Democrats".


"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Since when is the US a democracy?


since eye fuqing sed so
 
2021-09-09 3:48:11 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Biden is already planning on taking their guns.  Just like Obama did and Clinton before him.

Got a list of people with Covid shots, Bible (number/location) and guns (number/location).  So he's got a list.  Gonna check it twice and he's gonna find out who's packing and prayin' tonight.  Sleepy Joe Biden is coming for your Jesus shiat tonight.


Yuck, yuck.

Meanwhile, Texas could have turned blue in 2020... or at least the Zodiac could have been sent packing to Cancun on a permanent basis.  But one Beto O' Rourke opened his mouth and made sure that didn't happen.

Gun control costs elections.  It does not win them, unless you're a Republican.  Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the Democrats are never going to get that indisputable fact through their heads.
 
2021-09-09 3:51:53 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: anfrind: Only a gun-lover would claim that gun control is a form of collective punishment.

Really?  What else is it, if you take my guns away, or restrict my right to purchase more, because some gang-bangers in Chicago can't keep their hormones under control?

If that's not the definition of collective punishment, can you tell me what is?


Restricting a hazardous item in public spaces. Ya'll can't seem to manage to keep them away from schools and concerts so the rest of us will have to be the adults and take them away from you. Sorry, not sorry. You shoulda been gooder guys with your guns and stopped all those bad guys with guns like you're always crowing about. You didn't, things just got worse, and it's time to try taking guns away. EVEN if people who like guns more than live children throw a tantrum and scream about how it will never work and we shouldn't even try or they'll kill us.

Real warriors protect their homes naked with a knife and a loyal dog. It's time for the micropeens with rifle extensions to level up and stop being such frightened children.
 
2021-09-09 3:52:21 PM  
Standard horse trading, trigger people then offer to untrigger them in exchange for something. It's not like there is any big legislation they are trying to get through the senate or anything right now.

/I doubt this was their only ask, but withdrawal of a candidate that they likely didn't have the votes to push through seems like an easy box to check so likely the opening move of a bigger trade.
 
2021-09-09 3:57:00 PM  
Why? Just name him as Acting Director. Nothing matters anymore.
 
2021-09-09 3:57:10 PM  
gun control doesn't cost elections, limp dick, no one gives a shiat about carrying a gun everywhere except a small minority of NRA fascist wackos who think they need a gun to go Walmart.
 
2021-09-09 3:57:19 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: anfrind: Only a gun-lover would claim that gun control is a form of collective punishment.

Really?  What else is it, if you take my guns away, or restrict my right to purchase more, because some gang-bangers in Chicago can't keep their hormones under control?

If that's not the definition of collective punishment, can you tell me what is?


I think the issue is thinking of it as punishment. This is more like enforcing seat belt laws on all drivers even though some people are good drivers.

There is a public interest in stopping you from buying more guns. They could be stolen from you, or you could sell them to someone who would misuse them. Your gun could be involved in an accident.

Unfortunately there is no way for the government to know how you are storing them or using them. Unless, of course, you are up for universal registration and routine inspections? I thought not. So because they are so deadly, we need to have some laws that apply to all people.
 
2021-09-09 4:00:50 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Biden is already planning on taking their guns.  Just like Obama did and Clinton before him.

Got a list of people with Covid shots, Bible (number/location) and guns (number/location).  So he's got a list.  Gonna check it twice and he's gonna find out who's packing and prayin' tonight.  Sleepy Joe Biden is coming for your Jesus shiat tonight.


But Biden is stepping up the game. He is going door to door with "vaccine workers" to find them.
 
2021-09-09 4:01:16 PM  
it ain't the progressives doing this
 
2021-09-09 4:01:59 PM  
Yes, why in the world would gun advocates have a problem with a vocally anti-gun leader of the ATF? It's lunacy!

There is just no logic to these people!
 
2021-09-09 4:08:20 PM  
Biden is simply withdrawing his nomination because it isn't going anywhere.  This is squarely the fault of Congress.  What farkin' Democrats opposed him?!  Manchin and Sinema?
 
2021-09-09 4:09:41 PM  

anfrind: Man On Pink Corner: News flash: Collective punishment is still immoral, even when it's for a cause as noble as restricting gun ownership.  Ric has more at 11.

Only a gun-lover would claim that gun control is a form of collective punishment.


It's so "funny" that this squawking always seems to come from the same crowd that derps; "if they did nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about" whenever other constitutional rights are threatened. Almost as if they are giant farking hypocrites with no real ethos besides "I don't wanna! Gimme! Mine! fark everyone but me!"

Tired assed bullshiat.
 
2021-09-09 4:12:04 PM  

gbv23: Seemed a little too on-the-nose

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Came for this
 
2021-09-09 4:14:33 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Gun control costs elections


This. Deny it all you want. We had a Trump admin over Hillary because of this fact. That was enough to push on the fence single issue voters in key states over the line. And that farker was factually more anti gun than Obama because when it comes down to it he's a "rich" NYC for me not you person. He made the BATF call bump stocks machine guns, made people destroy legal property without payment and said take away guns get due process later.

On the issue of this person, yeah maybe don't nominate the guy working at an anti gun org. The ATF already switches their rulings depending on the air temp I guess, because it makes no sense. E.g Oh we said this was legal but now you have to saw that trigger into bits or go to jail because reasons.
 
2021-09-09 4:16:30 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Harry Freakstorm: Biden is already planning on taking their guns.  Just like Obama did and Clinton before him.

Got a list of people with Covid shots, Bible (number/location) and guns (number/location).  So he's got a list.  Gonna check it twice and he's gonna find out who's packing and prayin' tonight.  Sleepy Joe Biden is coming for your Jesus shiat tonight.

Yuck, yuck.

Meanwhile, Texas could have turned blue in 2020... or at least the Zodiac could have been sent packing to Cancun on a permanent basis.  But one Beto O' Rourke opened his mouth and made sure that didn't happen.

Gun control costs elections.  It does not win them, unless you're a Republican.  Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the Democrats are never going to get that indisputable fact through their heads.


More and more Americans favor stricter gun laws. The river has changed course and you are swimming against the tide.  Once you realize that, you can either choose to participate in how these new restrictions are made or throw a tantrum and leave it to others.  Like the tobacco lobby, the gun lobby's stalling tactics have gotten them by for years but time is running out.  Your dire warnings ring hollow and no longer resonate.

If he did nothing else, Donald Trump proved that gun control is a complete back burner issue.  "I like taking guns away early.  Take the guns first, go through due process second."  Yup, that's what he said.  And the gun nuts still voted for him.  "Gun loving" fascists use guns as one of their many excuses to vote in fascist candidates but they will abandon that excuse whenever it proves inconvenient.  They're love of fascism far exceeds their love of guns.
 
2021-09-09 4:18:58 PM  
But I thought those people liked triggers
 
2021-09-09 4:22:25 PM  
We had a Trump admin over Hillary because of this fact.

this is even more stupid than "Russian agent Jill Stein is why we got Trump"
 
2021-09-09 4:23:45 PM  
The GOP will be unilaterally opposed to any nominee for director of ATF because they do not want ATF to function. The ATF has had exactly one confirmed director in the past 15 years, and that guy only had a 2 year stint.
 
2021-09-09 4:25:05 PM  

Persnickety: More and more Americans favor stricter gun laws. The river has changed course and you are swimming against the tide.


Not really. Around 9 million new gun owners last year alone. You can't buy ammo in most stores due to demand. There's something like 500 million guns in this country. People favor keeping the mentally ill from guns and background checks. They absolutely do not support removal of gun rights.
 
2021-09-09 4:36:39 PM  

lordjupiter: With the Senate evenly divided and Republicans united in opposition, Chipman needed every Democratic and independent senator to push his nomination across the line. In the end, that didn't happen.

Can subby math?


It likely would have been 56-44 against.

There are a couple moderate Dems (Manchin, Sinema, Kelly, possibly Bennet, Blumenthal, Carper, Markey, Tester, etc.) who aren't all gung-ho about the anti-gun movement, and then of course 2 Independents, of which I know Bernie would have likely voted against. Because, you know, Vermont.

Strong anti-gun Director of the ATF just isn't possible right now. If we want progress we need to be sticking the sticklerist of stickler bureaucrats in there with a hard nose for the rules that they can't try and swing as anti-RKBA. THAT will actually start getting the ball rolling.
 
2021-09-09 4:39:06 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Persnickety: More and more Americans favor stricter gun laws. The river has changed course and you are swimming against the tide.

Not really. Around 9 million new gun owners last year alone. You can't buy ammo in most stores due to demand. There's something like 500 million guns in this country. People favor keeping the mentally ill from guns and background checks. They absolutely do not support removal of gun rights.


In 2020, about 42 percent of U.S. households had at least one gun in possession. Assuming your 9 million in the last year figure is true without checking - 42 + 2.7778% = 44.3(rounded)%

So... a verifiable minority own guns.
 
2021-09-09 4:41:12 PM  

Bandito King: So... a verifiable minority own guns.


It's a good thing the president can't win by a minority... oh wait.
 
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