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(Variety)   The promotional website for "The Matrix 4" has appeared. Spoiler: Neo swallows a pill to forget that the second and third movies exist   (variety.com) divider line
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2021-09-08 9:29:09 AM  
Definitely Crystal Skull territory.
 
2021-09-08 9:31:59 AM  

bostonguy: Definitely Crystal Skull territory.


You mean the second and third Matrices, or...?

Cuz I'm worried this is gonna be more like the 4th Planet of the Apes movie...
 
2021-09-08 9:42:23 AM  
Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.
 
2021-09-08 9:52:35 AM  

GardenWeasel: Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.


3 was pretty weird
 
2021-09-08 9:59:08 AM  
I was drinking more heavily and doing drugs back then so I only remember the first one. YAY ME!

I do vaguely remember that the second one seemed to be a Cadillac Commercial and, of course, how amazingly gorgeous Monica Bellucci is.
 
2021-09-08 10:07:39 AM  
Keanu Reeves is the Daniel Day Lewis of shiatty movies.
 
2021-09-08 10:08:53 AM  
That one part in the Matrix 3 where they're shooting at those killbots and the one guy goes "UUUUUUUUGGGGGH!" and then the other guy goes "AARRRRRRRRRRGH!" and then the other guy goes "UUUUUUUGH" and it goes on like that for 15 minutes?

I started thinking about what I was going to do later that day.  Then I went and made a sandwich.  When I came back they were still going "AAARRRRGH!"
 
2021-09-08 10:10:14 AM  
Man, when they started talking about vampires and werewolves, I was really hopeful things were going to get more interesting.

Then we just got the Galaga Challenge Stage. >:-(

*yawn*
 
2021-09-08 10:10:32 AM  

GardenWeasel: Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.


The edgy take is liking those two movies.
 
2021-09-08 10:12:13 AM  
I skimmed the movies a few months ago.

The first one holds up well. The second two are so convoluted and caught up in the mythology.
 
2021-09-08 10:12:43 AM  

Rapmaster2000: That one part in the Matrix 3 where they're shooting at those killbots and the one guy goes "UUUUUUUUGGGGGH!" and then the other guy goes "AARRRRRRRRRRGH!" and then the other guy goes "UUUUUUUGH" and it goes on like that for 15 minutes?

I started thinking about what I was going to do later that day.  Then I went and made a sandwich.  When I came back they were still going "AAARRRRGH!"


I like how in Point Break Johnny Utah goes undercover with the surf gang and uses the name...Johnny Utah.
 
2021-09-08 10:12:50 AM  
If he has a beard and long hair, it's John Wick 5.
 
2021-09-08 10:13:22 AM  

GardenWeasel: Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.


They were....fine I guess. A lot of king Fu against a man who's great at Kung Fu (silly machines just never learn) and a lot of philosophical wank.

But they weren't the sequels that were promised with the ending of the first movie.
 
2021-09-08 10:13:26 AM  
The 2nd and 3rd movie should have been one movie.  That would have fixed plenty.
 
2021-09-08 10:13:47 AM  

dothemath: Keanu Reeves is the Daniel Day Lewis of shiatty movies.


He works as a cobbler between making them?
 
2021-09-08 10:13:54 AM  

dothemath: Keanu Reeves is the Daniel Day Lewis of shiatty movies.


Nicolas Cage paid you what for that?
 
2021-09-08 10:13:57 AM  

GardenWeasel: Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.


2 was good, but 3 sucked balls.
 
2021-09-08 10:15:06 AM  
Seeing the original Matrix film in IMAX 3D for its 20th anniversary was a fine time indeed.
 
2021-09-08 10:15:27 AM  

GardenWeasel: Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.


There's nothing edgy about thinking the sequels sucked. There were good action scenes but they didn't really make any sense.
 
2021-09-08 10:15:38 AM  
I really liked it, but didn't the Matrix's own logic eat itself? We (humans) lost a war that *we* started and the robots seemed pretty cool to allow us an alternate existence besides just being non-sentient batteries. They even tried to make us a utopia IRRC, but we're a shiatty species and rejected it.

If I had a pretty decent life and then got awoken by Morpheus to bear witness to a scorched sky and subject to endless gruel-from-a-tube meals I'd be a little pissed. It seems Cypher wanting a memory wipe and be reinserted in it was the sane one.

It's just a show I should really just relax.
 
2021-09-08 10:15:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I was drinking more heavily and doing drugs back then so I only remember the first one. YAY ME!

I do vaguely remember that the second one seemed to be a Cadillac Commercial and, of course, how amazingly gorgeous Monica Bellucci is.


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2021-09-08 10:16:05 AM  
I'm ready to have my heart broken again.

I'm psyched for this.
 
2021-09-08 10:17:01 AM  

dothemath: Rapmaster2000: That one part in the Matrix 3 where they're shooting at those killbots and the one guy goes "UUUUUUUUGGGGGH!" and then the other guy goes "AARRRRRRRRRRGH!" and then the other guy goes "UUUUUUUGH" and it goes on like that for 15 minutes?

I started thinking about what I was going to do later that day.  Then I went and made a sandwich.  When I came back they were still going "AAARRRRGH!"

I like how in Point Break Johnny Utah goes undercover with the surf gang and uses the name...Johnny Utah.


Vaya con dios, brah.
 
2021-09-08 10:17:47 AM  
They never explained how idiotic the premise was. Using people as batteries makes zero thermodynamic sense. It would be more efficient to burn wood.
 
2021-09-08 10:18:11 AM  

Two16: NewportBarGuy: I was drinking more heavily and doing drugs back then so I only remember the first one. YAY ME!

I do vaguely remember that the second one seemed to be a Cadillac Commercial and, of course, how amazingly gorgeous Monica Bellucci is.

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Many kittens died to bring you that picture. Many more will die in the future because of it.
 
2021-09-08 10:18:14 AM  
People that don't like 2 and 3, are people that get pissed a book has more than one chapter.
 
2021-09-08 10:19:05 AM  

Gubbo: But they weren't the sequels that were promised with the ending of the first movie.


That's the thing, despite the open ended ending, it didn't feel like they intended to have any sequels.
 
2021-09-08 10:19:06 AM  

Dustin_00: Man, when they started talking about vampires and werewolves, I was really hopeful things were going to get more interesting.

Then we just got the Galaga Challenge Stage. >:-(

*yawn*


Vampires and ghost twins gave 2 some potential but really just resulted in two back-to-back and rediculously extended fight/chase sequences (mansion fight, freeway chase).  3 was starting to crossover with Tron with child refugee programs but that storyline went nowhere. But what was the end state of the trilogy? Smith Fd up the matrix and Neo refused to help reboot it. So what? Do what any IT team does when the ransomware demands are too high. Dig out some backups and rebuild.
 
2021-09-08 10:20:07 AM  

ShadowJacker: If he has a beard and long hair, it's John Wick 5.


I was certain the trailer was fan made from John Wick clips.
 
2021-09-08 10:20:24 AM  
Revolutions was an absolute wreck, but the action sequences in Reloaded were pretty great.

My only regret was there was not more of the "twins." They were the coolest villains in that one.

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2021-09-08 10:20:54 AM  

BeansNfranks: People that don't like 2 and 3, are people that get pissed a book has more than one chapter starts off interesting and devolves into a boring, unreadable mess.

 
2021-09-08 10:21:00 AM  
Enjoyed the series.  Even if it was silly.  Will watch this.

/Probably won't pay to watch it tho
 
2021-09-08 10:21:20 AM  
The trailers are well done. Very timely.
 
2021-09-08 10:21:36 AM  

Two16: NewportBarGuy: I was drinking more heavily and doing drugs back then so I only remember the first one. YAY ME!

I do vaguely remember that the second one seemed to be a Cadillac Commercial and, of course, how amazingly gorgeous Monica Bellucci is.

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It's not even just her amazing boobs and those eyes and those lips... it's how she carries herself... Jesus Christ she's the entire package.

Vincent Cassel is a lucky motherf*cker.
 
2021-09-08 10:22:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Two16: NewportBarGuy: I was drinking more heavily and doing drugs back then so I only remember the first one. YAY ME!

I do vaguely remember that the second one seemed to be a Cadillac Commercial and, of course, how amazingly gorgeous Monica Bellucci is.

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It's not even just her amazing boobs and those eyes and those lips... it's how she carries herself... Jesus Christ she's the entire package.

Vincent Cassel is a lucky motherf*cker.


Oh my god... they got divorced... Well... I still have no chance in hell.
 
2021-09-08 10:22:42 AM  
I would love for the 4th movie to address that Morpheus was wrong about the humans being used as batteries. Instead the humans were being kept for some other purpose, like for their creativity (to advance technology or create art or something). Another idea would be that some unalterable part of the machines code requires then to keep some humans alive and care for them. Of course the machines tried to keep these things secret from the rebels because otherwise the rebels could try to disrupt whatever this purpose was.
 
2021-09-08 10:22:47 AM  

GardenWeasel: Oh, so edgy. 2 and 3 were fine.


Incorrect. Please leave.
 
2021-09-08 10:22:55 AM  

Invincible: Dustin_00: Man, when they started talking about vampires and werewolves, I was really hopeful things were going to get more interesting.

Then we just got the Galaga Challenge Stage. >:-(

*yawn*

Vampires and ghost twins gave 2 some potential but really just resulted in two back-to-back and rediculously extended fight/chase sequences (mansion fight, freeway chase).  3 was starting to crossover with Tron with child refugee programs but that storyline went nowhere. But what was the end state of the trilogy? Smith Fd up the matrix and Neo refused to help reboot it. So what? Do what any IT team does when the ransomware demands are too high. Dig out some backups and rebuild.


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2021-09-08 10:23:54 AM  

Wadded Beef: f I had a pretty decent life and then got awoken by Morpheus to bear witness to a scorched sky and subject to endless gruel-from-a-tube meals I'd be a little pissed. It seems Cypher wanting a memory wipe and be reinserted in it was the sane one.


Well yeah. Morpheous wanted to bring six billion people into a world that could barely sustain (what was it like 10,000 people?).
 
2021-09-08 10:23:55 AM  

gaslight: They never explained how idiotic the premise was. Using people as batteries makes zero thermodynamic sense. It would be more efficient to burn wood.


Possibly true, but who would watch a movie about machines burning wood?
 
2021-09-08 10:24:03 AM  

Mugato: Gubbo: But they weren't the sequels that were promised with the ending of the first movie.

That's the thing, despite the open ended ending, it didn't feel like they intended to have any sequels.


I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I mean, if they didn't intend sequels, fine. But they set up a great idea for them. And then....oh well
 
2021-09-08 10:24:21 AM  
I expect this to be a repeat of one with some new people. The movies are fine but I don't need to see them again with new people. Star Wars did that so, I stopped watching that crap. Keenu has to be the worst actor after Harvey Keitel; shame they didn't replace him.
 
2021-09-08 10:24:42 AM  

Rapmaster2000: BeansNfranks: People that don't like 2 and 3, are people that get pissed a book has more than one chapter starts off interesting and devolves into a boring, unreadable mess.


I wonder what the overlap is for people that didn't like 2 and 3, yet think Lord of the Rings was an amazing trilogy. Or think Fury Road was worth more than the sand they filmed it on.
 
2021-09-08 10:26:35 AM  

Ty Webb: gaslight: They never explained how idiotic the premise was. Using people as batteries makes zero thermodynamic sense. It would be more efficient to burn wood.

Possibly true, but who would watch a movie about machines burning wood?


Fireplace channel does okay in this household in winter months.
 
2021-09-08 10:27:21 AM  

puffy999: bostonguy: Definitely Crystal Skull territory.

You mean the second and third Matrices, or...?

Cuz I'm worried this is gonna be more like the 4th Planet of the Apes movie...


Ricardo Montalban was great in that one, though.
 
2021-09-08 10:27:54 AM  
Been reading that M4 is going to be a turd.

But I'll wait and see.

Hopefully it's good.
 
2021-09-08 10:28:24 AM  
Neo became a god in the first movie, taking all the tension out of the fight scenes in the sequels... And they didn't quite know how to replace it.

Lots of stuff with the Architect could have fixed that, but they didn't go that way.  Use of Inception-styled levels of the Matrix could have fixed other problems, but they didn't do that either.

I'm not particularly interested in a fourth movie, I'd rather watch the first one again.
 
2021-09-08 10:28:29 AM  

Kubo: Revolutions was an absolute wreck, but the action sequences in Reloaded were pretty great.


This. I didn't really get the hate for Reloaded. I thought it was fun. Revolutions absolutely sucked ass though.
 
2021-09-08 10:30:39 AM  

BeansNfranks: I wonder what the overlap is for people that didn't like 2 and 3, yet think Lord of the Rings was an amazing trilogy.


That overlap doesn't include me.  Lord of the Rings suffers from some of the same problems that 3 suffers from - a great battle spectacle can be incredibly boring.
 
2021-09-08 10:32:41 AM  

gaslight: They never explained how idiotic the premise was. Using people as batteries makes zero thermodynamic sense. It would be more efficient to burn wood.


This is hand waved away in the same speech it's introduced in- Morpheus' VO explains "combined with a form of fusion, the machines had all they power they'd ever need"

"If the machines had fusion in any form, why didn't they just use that?" is the actual question.

Also, there were no more plants on Earth's surface by then, so no wood to burn. I suppose they could have hydroponically grown fuel, but...why?
 
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