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(Yahoo)   Mathmatologists know more, but if deaths are twice as high as last year, from a much smaller population of currently unvaccinated people, then the virus must be X times as deadly, X being, yeah, I have no idea, I'm going back to hoarding toilet paper   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-09-08 2:28:20 AM  
There's nothing shocking about this. A new much more infectious variant has taken hold in the spreading like wild, and instead of maintaining even basic precautions most people seem to have completely given up I can't believe how fast most of the US were eager to give up mask mandates. Here in Ontario people still wear masks indoors mostly, but even here I see cracks in people's resolve, things trying to return to normal, and cases Rising.

We did pretty good at the start, sorta ok during some of the middle, but we can't keep it up, but everyone still expects their nice things like concerts, movies, and hot Swedish ladies.
 
2021-09-08 6:06:01 AM  
Those who are getting sick and dying are choosing to do so, it's just a shame they're risking kids' lives and overwhelming hospitals in the process.

My moron state senator just did a guest editorial about how COVID-19 would go away in a second if we all just freedomed a little bit harder. This is right after he co-signed a threat to school boards that they better not do mask mandates or their state funding might catch on fire and wouldn't that be a shame.

Last year he also said it would go away after the November 2020 election, so his track record of prognostication is a bit spotty.

He's eyeing a congressional run, since our congressman is due to be indicted for his role in Jan. 6 before long.
 
2021-09-08 7:29:41 AM  
Somebody yesterday was claiming a 75% vaxxed rate in the US. In reality, it's just over half. 53%. I'm assuming this includes all U12.

Delta still has one hell of a lot of fuel to burn through.

We need to vaxx the kids. This school year is going to be very bad if we don't hurry up with that.

I mean, it's going to be bad even if we do, but let's protect as many as we can.
 
2021-09-08 8:33:36 AM  
Plague rats gonna plague rat
 
2021-09-08 8:36:42 AM  
It's the Herd Mentality!  Naturally, some freedum loving gnus are gonna hover away from the herd and nearer the lions and tigers, oh my.  It's the Circle of Strife
 
2021-09-08 8:36:55 AM  

Keyser_Soze_Death: I've run out of recipes for toilet paper. I should hoard something more flexible this time around.


Kale?
 
2021-09-08 8:40:08 AM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves:He's eyeing a congressional run, since our congressman is due to be indicted for his role in Jan. 6 before long.

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2021-09-08 8:41:01 AM  

big pig peaches: Keyser_Soze_Death: I've run out of recipes for toilet paper. I should hoard something more flexible this time around.

Kale?


You need to run the kale between your hands for a bit to soften them up, plus they need a good rinse to get rid of the grittiness. For a fresh, tingly sensation, some stinging nettle leaves are a nice addition.
 
2021-09-08 8:41:18 AM  
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2021-09-08 8:41:46 AM  
I remember when we had "lockdowns" to "flatten the curve", meaning, prevent the health care system from breaking.

I guess they went out of style.
 
2021-09-08 8:46:03 AM  
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2021-09-08 8:46:44 AM  
Get vaxxed, keep isolating, keep masking, do not lose your resolve.  Let's finish the job of turning the Trumpvirus into something that only affects Trumpers.
 
2021-09-08 8:51:13 AM  

chawco: There's nothing shocking about this. A new much more infectious variant has taken hold in the spreading like wild, and instead of maintaining even basic precautions most people seem to have completely given up I can't believe how fast most of the US were eager to give up mask mandates. Here in Ontario people still wear masks indoors mostly, but even here I see cracks in people's resolve, things trying to return to normal, and cases Rising.

We did pretty good at the start, sorta ok during some of the middle, but we can't keep it up, but everyone still expects their nice things like concerts, movies, and hot Swedish ladies.


Listen, I'm willing to give a little. I'll give up the concerts. I can watch movies from home.

But you can have my hot Swedish ladies when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
 
2021-09-08 8:51:51 AM  
Sunday I went into the grocery for the first time in a month or so. (We usually order online and pick-up in the parking lot.) 60-70% were unmasked. Social distancing was non-existent. White. Black. Old. Young. Employee. Shopper. It made no difference. The scene was like a mix of The Seventh Seal and Idiocracy.
 
2021-09-08 8:54:40 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My moron state senator just did a guest editorial about how COVID-19 would go away in a second if we all just freedomed a little bit harder. This is right after he co-signed a threat to school boards that they better not do mask mandates or their state funding might catch on fire and wouldn't that be a shame.

Last year he also said it would go away after the November 2020 election, so his track record of prognostication is a bit spotty.

He's eyeing a congressional run, since our congressman is due to be indicted for his role in Jan. 6 before long.


Is it a bad thing that I am unable to narrow down which state you live in with the above information, since it could apply to so many?
 
2021-09-08 8:55:11 AM  

chawco: and hot Swedish ladies.


I've been vaccinated, I wear my mask and my wife still says I can't have a hot Swedish lady, it's not fair.
 
2021-09-08 8:56:18 AM  

Andy Andy: I'll give up the concerts.


I saw more live music during 2020 than I have in AGES.
So many of my favorites* were doing "kitchen concerts" on FB live/Instagram/You Tube that I could catch something nearly once a week.

A PayPal tip jar was ever present and optional.

I actually miss the virtual concerts now that they've gone back to outdoor shows

*it helps that many of my favorites are singer/songwriters that typically do smaller shows anyway.
 
2021-09-08 8:56:54 AM  
It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear.
 
2021-09-08 9:00:13 AM  
I'm so glad COVID is over.
 
2021-09-08 9:00:13 AM  

yakmans_dad: Sunday I went into the grocery for the first time in a month or so. (We usually order online and pick-up in the parking lot.) 60-70% were unmasked. Social distancing was non-existent. White. Black. Old. Young. Employee. Shopper. It made no difference. The scene was like a mix of The Seventh Seal and Idiocracy.


Same thing around where I live.  And my county is only 24% vaccinated (lowest in the state).  The school started the year without a mask mandate.  3 weeks in, over 10% of the student population was either out with Covid or in quarantine, so they changed their mind and put a mask mandate in.  I imagine the next school board meeting will be quite lively
 
2021-09-08 9:00:26 AM  

ThoughtSpy: Mr. Coffee Nerves: My moron state senator just did a guest editorial about how COVID-19 would go away in a second if we all just freedomed a little bit harder. This is right after he co-signed a threat to school boards that they better not do mask mandates or their state funding might catch on fire and wouldn't that be a shame.

Last year he also said it would go away after the November 2020 election, so his track record of prognostication is a bit spotty.

He's eyeing a congressional run, since our congressman is due to be indicted for his role in Jan. 6 before long.

Is it a bad thing that I am unable to narrow down which state you live in with the above information, since it could apply to so many?


Yes, shows how widespread the terrorists have become.
 
2021-09-08 9:00:31 AM  

namegoeshere: Somebody yesterday was claiming a 75% vaxxed rate in the US. In reality, it's just over half. 53%. I'm assuming this includes all U12.

Delta still has one hell of a lot of fuel to burn through.

We need to vaxx the kids. This school year is going to be very bad if we don't hurry up with that.

I mean, it's going to be bad even if we do, but let's protect as many as we can.


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2021-09-08 9:00:33 AM  

namegoeshere: Somebody yesterday was claiming a 75% vaxxed rate in the US. In reality, it's just over half. 53%. I'm assuming this includes all U12.

Delta still has one hell of a lot of fuel to burn through.

We need to vaxx the kids. This school year is going to be very bad if we don't hurry up with that.

I mean, it's going to be bad even if we do, but let's protect as many as we can.


It can be.  It just depends on your metric.

If you only look at adults... it's 75%.
If you only look at eligible people.. it's 62%.
if you look at everyone it's 53%.

Covid can spread from people of any age, so really you should look at the bottom number.  But since under 12s are not approved to get vaccinated, you really can't fault that.

So it's a toss-up between looking at the 62% or the 53%.  Either way, a highly contagious virus spreading when only HALF a population is vaccinated... well... that doesn't do a whole lot of good.
 
2021-09-08 9:01:07 AM  

Bowen: grokca: chawco: and hot Swedish ladies.

I've been vaccinated, I wear my mask and my wife still says I can't have a hot Swedish lady, it's not fair.

I assume Hot Swedish Lady is a sex act that isn't actually as fun as it sounds.


When was the last time you read an Urban Dictionary listing that actually sounded fun?
 
2021-09-08 9:01:40 AM  

Andy Andy: But you can have my hot Swedish ladies when you pry them from my cold dead hands.


That makes for a disturbing mental picture.
 
2021-09-08 9:01:59 AM  

namegoeshere: Somebody yesterday was claiming a 75% vaxxed rate in the US. In reality, it's just over half. 53%. I'm assuming this includes all U12.

Delta still has one hell of a lot of fuel to burn through.

We need to vaxx the kids. This school year is going to be very bad if we don't hurry up with that.

I mean, it's going to be bad even if we do, but let's protect as many as we can.


That might have been me but I was just using a guess for a numerical illustration. Here in Ontario we're at about 68% of total pop (78% of eligible) fully vaxxed.
 
2021-09-08 9:03:42 AM  
If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
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2021-09-08 9:07:19 AM  

chawco: There's nothing shocking about this. A new much more infectious variant has taken hold in the spreading like wild, and instead of maintaining even basic precautions most people seem to have completely given up I can't believe how fast most of the US were eager to give up mask mandates. Here in Ontario people still wear masks indoors mostly, but even here I see cracks in people's resolve, things trying to return to normal, and cases Rising.

We did pretty good at the start, sorta ok during some of the middle, but we can't keep it up, but everyone still expects their nice things like concerts, movies, and hot Swedish ladies.


Also it isn't evenly distributed. Antivaxers hang out with antivaxers.
 
2021-09-08 9:10:17 AM  
Every time I see the increasing mortality rates, I remind myself that COVID's cousin MERS proves that a 30% mortality rate is certainly possible and I find I'm increasingly okay with that number so long as the vaccines hold.
 
2021-09-08 9:10:34 AM  

big pig peaches: Keyser_Soze_Death: I've run out of recipes for toilet paper. I should hoard something more flexible this time around.

Kale?


Ugh, I think I'd rather have another roasted toilet paper salad before I eat kale again.
 
2021-09-08 9:12:53 AM  

Andy Andy: chawco: There's nothing shocking about this. A new much more infectious variant has taken hold in the spreading like wild, and instead of maintaining even basic precautions most people seem to have completely given up I can't believe how fast most of the US were eager to give up mask mandates. Here in Ontario people still wear masks indoors mostly, but even here I see cracks in people's resolve, things trying to return to normal, and cases Rising.

We did pretty good at the start, sorta ok during some of the middle, but we can't keep it up, but everyone still expects their nice things like concerts, movies, and hot Swedish ladies.

Listen, I'm willing to give a little. I'll give up the concerts. I can watch movies from home.

But you can have my hot Swedish ladies when you pry them from my cold dead hands.


That's a creepy thought.
 
2021-09-08 9:14:11 AM  

cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]


TFA says 4x as many cases with 2x as many deaths...which implies the fatality rate has actually decreased.

It's almost as if variants, in order to become more infectious, have to also be less lethal.
 
2021-09-08 9:14:20 AM  

yakmans_dad: Sunday I went into the grocery for the first time in a month or so. (We usually order online and pick-up in the parking lot.) 60-70% were unmasked. Social distancing was non-existent. White. Black. Old. Young. Employee. Shopper. It made no difference. The scene was like a mix of The Seventh Seal and Idiocracy.


Round here, every employee at the grocery store and all suppliers seem to have 100% masking rate. Customers are 50-60% but we get a ton of Texan tourists.

I take my cues, in this case, from the people working there and mask up again now.
 
2021-09-08 9:15:42 AM  

koder: Every time I see the increasing mortality rates, I remind myself that COVID's cousin MERS proves that a 30% mortality rate is certainly possible and I find I'm increasingly okay with that number so long as the vaccines hold.


Show me where the mortality RATE is higher. Hint:  for the rate to be higher, the increase in deaths needs to be higher than the increase in cases.
 
2021-09-08 9:15:53 AM  

Resident Muslim: Bowen: grokca: chawco: and hot Swedish ladies.

I've been vaccinated, I wear my mask and my wife still says I can't have a hot Swedish lady, it's not fair.

I assume Hot Swedish Lady is a sex act that isn't actually as fun as it sounds.

When was the last time you read an Urban Dictionary listing that actually sounded fun?


Tummy sticks!
 
2021-09-08 9:16:27 AM  

Madison_Smiled: Andy Andy: But you can have my hot Swedish ladies when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

That makes for a disturbing mental picture.


Shakes tiny fists!
 
2021-09-08 9:18:15 AM  

cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]


The article is comparing two specific time frames, and there wasn't as much of surge last year after labor day. It came around Thanksgiving. It is a little misleading.
 
2021-09-08 9:23:36 AM  

gar1013: cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]

TFA says 4x as many cases with 2x as many deaths...which implies the fatality rate has actually decreased.

It's almost as if variants, in order to become more infectious, have to also be less lethal.


We've also gotten better at managing patients.
 
2021-09-08 9:34:00 AM  

Invincible: gar1013: cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]

TFA says 4x as many cases with 2x as many deaths...which implies the fatality rate has actually decreased.

It's almost as if variants, in order to become more infectious, have to also be less lethal.

We've also gotten better at managing patients.


This is the actual correct answer.
 
2021-09-08 9:38:39 AM  

Bowen: grokca: chawco: and hot Swedish ladies.

I've been vaccinated, I wear my mask and my wife still says I can't have a hot Swedish lady, it's not fair.

I assume Hot Swedish Lady is a sex act that isn't actually as fun as it sounds.


May not be hot or swedish or a lady. Think Wesley snipes in a dress.

/Fark not personal erotica site
//You're not the boss of me
///Slashies
 
2021-09-08 9:38:56 AM  

Bertuccio: Invincible: gar1013: cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]

TFA says 4x as many cases with 2x as many deaths...which implies the fatality rate has actually decreased.

It's almost as if variants, in order to become more infectious, have to also be less lethal.

We've also gotten better at managing patients.

This is the actual correct answer.


Yeah, the mortality rate has dropped drastically since the beginning. It was well over 5 percent, now it is maybe 1.8, but I haven't looked in a while. The 2 percent number is close to the overall average. But... Some demographic groups have had really bad outcomes. Mostly age based, but now it's more related to vax status (age and comorbidities will continue to be a thing). It'shiatting younger groups harder now though, but that may be partly a function of everyone just basically giving up. Delta doesn't help.
 
2021-09-08 9:42:15 AM  

cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]


TFA meant to say it's double what it was this time last year.  Which is correct.  That's what I got.
 
2021-09-08 9:44:14 AM  

cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image 850x479]


Not that I have the moral high ground from which to snark too harshly, but reading is important:

"Daily coronavirus cases are four times higher than they were following Labor Day weekend of last year with the number of daily deaths twice as high as they were this time in 2020, according to data from Johns Hopkins University."

I don't see how people expect it to get better, what with the cold weather coming and a sizeable population both refusing to get vaxxed and demanding that nobody do anything to mitigate the spread.
 
2021-09-08 9:44:56 AM  

gar1013: koder: Every time I see the increasing mortality rates, I remind myself that COVID's cousin MERS proves that a 30% mortality rate is certainly possible and I find I'm increasingly okay with that number so long as the vaccines hold.

Show me where the mortality RATE is higher. Hint:  for the rate to be higher, the increase in deaths needs to be higher than the increase in cases.


If you're looking for anecdotes, the refer trucks outside, as portable morgues, should do the trick.


gar1013: cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image image 850x479]

TFA says 4x as many cases with 2x as many deaths...which implies the fatality rate has actually decreased.

It's almost as if variants, in order to become more infectious, have to also be less lethal.



Sure the variants are all well-behaved for now, but wait until they turn into teenagers and get into winner-take-all politics.
 
2021-09-08 9:46:50 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image 850x479]

Not that I have the moral high ground from which to snark too harshly, but reading is important:

"Daily coronavirus cases are four times higher than they were following Labor Day weekend of last year with the number of daily deaths twice as high as they were this time in 2020, according to data from Johns Hopkins University."

I don't see how people expect it to get better, what with the cold weather coming and a sizeable population both refusing to get vaxxed and demanding that nobody do anything to mitigate the spread.


(To be clear, late summer wave last year peaked earlier, so comparing Labor Day weekend of the two years isn't a particularly useful comparison.)
 
2021-09-08 9:46:56 AM  

Dinodork: yakmans_dad: Sunday I went into the grocery for the first time in a month or so. (We usually order online and pick-up in the parking lot.) 60-70% were unmasked. Social distancing was non-existent. White. Black. Old. Young. Employee. Shopper. It made no difference. The scene was like a mix of The Seventh Seal and Idiocracy.

Round here, every employee at the grocery store and all suppliers seem to have 100% masking rate. Customers are 50-60% but we get a ton of Texan tourists.

I take my cues, in this case, from the people working there and mask up again now.


Here in PA practically every employee in a store or restaurant is masked. Most chain places have a sign on the door saying you have to wear a mask, but few actually hold people to it. Walmart has a door greater offering you a mask, but that often involves someone lecturing them on how it's not a thing, how they aren't scared, or freedom.

I see about 40% of people with masks on. They number is almost exactly the percentage of adults that are vaccinated in my area. So basically it's only minorly useful because the people most likely to spread covid just won't do anything.
 
2021-09-08 9:50:25 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: cirby: If deaths are twice as high, someone needs to notify the CDC:
(from https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-track​er/#trends_dailycases )
It's about the same, which isn't great, but it's certainly not double.
[Fark user image 850x479]

Not that I have the moral high ground from which to snark too harshly, but reading is important:

"Daily coronavirus cases are four times higher than they were following Labor Day weekend of last year with the number of daily deaths twice as high as they were this time in 2020, according to data from Johns Hopkins University."

I don't see how people expect it to get better, what with the cold weather coming and a sizeable population both refusing to get vaxxed and demanding that nobody do anything to mitigate the spread.


Yeah, and post labor day last year wasn't horrible. The timing is different this year. I don't mean to sound political, but there was in some sense messaging that said we beat this thing in that early June to July time frame. Things started really ramping up after that this year, so it is a much earlier onset. Not looking forward to comparing the post Thanksgiving numbers at all. That might be more apples to apples though.
 
2021-09-08 9:56:30 AM  

gar1013: koder: Every time I see the increasing mortality rates, I remind myself that COVID's cousin MERS proves that a 30% mortality rate is certainly possible and I find I'm increasingly okay with that number so long as the vaccines hold.

Show me where the mortality RATE is higher. Hint:  for the rate to be higher, the increase in deaths needs to be higher than the increase in cases.


Pass.
 
2021-09-08 10:00:04 AM  

koder: gar1013: koder: Every time I see the increasing mortality rates, I remind myself that COVID's cousin MERS proves that a 30% mortality rate is certainly possible and I find I'm increasingly okay with that number so long as the vaccines hold.

Show me where the mortality RATE is higher. Hint:  for the rate to be higher, the increase in deaths needs to be higher than the increase in cases.

Pass.


I'm not doing the math on this one, but it's also more of an overall per Capita issue, not per case if something is 2x infectious, but .7x lethal, you can expect approximately 1.4x deaths. But that's not accounting for any countermeasures like vaccines, masks, and distancing.
 
2021-09-08 10:00:36 AM  

eyeq360: big pig peaches: Keyser_Soze_Death: I've run out of recipes for toilet paper. I should hoard something more flexible this time around.

Kale?

You need to run the kale between your hands for a bit to soften them up, plus they need a good rinse to get rid of the grittiness. For a fresh, tingly sensation, some stinging nettle leaves are a nice addition.


Poison oak, poison sumac, and the Boy Scout favorite Poison Ivy are cheap and plentiful...  As Jackie Chiles once Said:  Economical, Ecological, and just the thing for MiL's and busy body neighbors!
 
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