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(Al Jazeera)   George Soros warns against investing in China, claiming it risks losing money, damaging US national interests, and possibly redirecting funds from his hollow earth reverse vampire based stock portfolio   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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329 clicks; posted to Business » and Main » on 07 Sep 2021 at 5:49 PM (4 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-09-07 1:24:03 PM  
translation, if would be to his financial advantage of course.
 
2021-09-07 5:26:54 PM  
What is a reverse vampire, anyways? "I want to blow your blood"?
 
2021-09-07 6:05:23 PM  
Of course it's dangerous. The Chinese will accept investment only up until the point where it becomes a threat to the state, at which point the rights to your investment will become illusory. Naturally, this is a tantalizing threat to financiers.
 
2021-09-07 6:32:05 PM  
To say nothing of the strings attached, including but not limited to being prohibited from acknowledging the existence of things Pooh does not like (e.g. Taiwan)
 
2021-09-07 6:46:51 PM  

Nadie_AZ: What is a reverse vampire, anyways? "I want to blow your blood"?


I suspect they steal blood from vampires' stomachs to inflate their victims with it.  So if you were attacked by a vampire and a reverse vampire, you'd essentially be experiencing hemodialysis.
 
2021-09-07 7:07:38 PM  

Scythed: Of course it's dangerous. The Chinese will accept investment only up until the point where it becomes a threat to the state, at which point the rights to your investment will become illusory. Naturally, this is a tantalizing threat to financiers.


I know people with worthless property deeds for land in China

It could easily happen again.
 
2021-09-07 7:11:38 PM  
Yeah... I tried a hand at REIT investment in China. It did not go well. Never again. YMMV I guess.

/Railroads, Banks, and Bonds mostly
//Not in China
///EMEA I'll leave to the professionals
 
2021-09-07 7:21:54 PM  
China's run as an investment opportunity is over now that they don't need us as desperately to train their people.  This whole thing started when Deng watched the US defeat Russia by having such a massive productivity advantage we could waste trillions on weapons development ensuring our military superiority, and then looked at his population that was suffering the entirely predictable consequence of the Cultural Revolution and were out plowing the fields with a rock tied to a stick.  China needed to learn how to be productive and figured easiest to have us teach them in exchange for some investment opportunities.  Now that we have, they have no reason to continue to provide investment opportunities.
 
2021-09-07 7:54:47 PM  
I made some money on Alibaba a while back, but ditched it when I saw how things were headed. Doing business there must be like not knowing from day to day whether you're going to get a big bonus or summary execution.
 
2021-09-07 8:41:31 PM  
How does the saying go?

John Bull will stand for anything, but he won't stand for 2%!

Soros is trying to tell people that their investment dollars should not be spent on propping up charlatans, dictators, kleptocrats, and murderers, but those happen to be where the opportunities are, so what are you gonna do?
 
2021-09-07 10:25:00 PM  
So a 2024 GOP platform will be about investing in China?
 
2021-09-08 12:53:09 AM  
Spire or Depths?
 
2021-09-08 3:24:39 AM  
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The CCP doesn't allow non-Chinese citizens to own part of Chinese businesses in many sectors (tech is a big one). In order to circumvent those laws, people have set up VIEs - essentially shell companies in the Caymans and elsewhere - which listed on US stock exchanges, and whose only "assets" are some contracts which give those shell companies rights to share in the profits of the Chinese company.

So when you buy Alibaba "stock" as a US investor, all you're really getting is shares of a Cayman Islands holding company which doesn't really own any part of the real Alibaba company in China.

The problem is that those contracts are unenforceable under Chinese law, so if the CCP were to declare them null and void - I don't know, perhaps as a response to US regulators demanding that they comply with GAAP for instance - then good luck trying to collect anything as an investor.

The CCP have looked the other way on the VIE structure for so long because it provided a way to attract Western capital without giving up much of anything in return - no real ownership of the Chinese company, no voting rights, no GAAP compliance. But now that looks to be changing, and they don't seem so accommodating anymore.
 
2021-09-08 8:18:49 AM  

vudukungfu: translation, if would be to his financial advantage of course.



if a billionaire says don't do something, then do it.  its in your interests, not his.
 
2021-09-08 8:19:20 AM  

TheManofPA: So a 2024 GOP platform will be about investing in China?



well, they are the biggest economy on earth.   we used to be.
 
2021-09-08 8:20:14 AM  

AlgaeRancher: Scythed: Of course it's dangerous. The Chinese will accept investment only up until the point where it becomes a threat to the state, at which point the rights to your investment will become illusory. Naturally, this is a tantalizing threat to financiers.

I know people with worthless property deeds for land in China

It could easily happen again.



good to know that chinese property deeds for land in murca are good deeds.
 
2021-09-08 8:21:14 AM  

Scythed: Of course it's dangerous. The Chinese will accept investment only up until the point where it becomes a threat to the state, at which point the rights to your investment will become illusory. Naturally, this is a tantalizing threat to financiers.



and in murca, those who own the investments own The State and its government on capital hill.
 
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