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(AsiaOne)   In prehistoric days, the concern for humans was to stop wild animals from eating people. These days, the concern for humans is to stop people from eating wild animals, with risk of driving existing demand underground to black markets   (asiaone.com) divider line
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2021-09-07 4:08:22 AM  
The weird thing is that we're SO rich-centric now that I don't doubt there are ranches somewhere used exclusively to feed the elite classes things such as passenger pigeon and great auk eggs or BBQ thylacine tails.
 
2021-09-07 8:00:24 AM  
Covid is believed to come from Asian wild life being eaten.
Aids is believed to come from African monkeys being eaten.

So yes, PETA (people eating tasty animals) need to be aware of these dangers.
 
2021-09-07 8:55:10 AM  
But ... animals are delicious.  You can't stop me from eating delicious things!

In all seriousness, I'm not opposed to eating plant-based meats as long as they do a pretty good job of imitating the real thing.  Plant-based burgers and sausages are pretty decent -- not perfect, but they've come a long way.  I'm starting to see plant-based chicken products done in the same vein as the beef products showing up too, though I've no idea what they're like.  (And they're not the tofu/seitan stuff that's existed for ages.)

Neither am I opposed to the idea of lab-grown meats.  I'd try them.  But until they get close enough in flavour and texture that I'd happily have either one (and plant-based burgers are pretty close), I'm gonna keep eating beef and pork and chicken and fish.  Because, again, delicious.

/Had fried chicken with mashed potatoes and gravy and fresh green and yellow beans last night.
 
2021-09-07 9:05:08 AM  
You can't stop omnivores from eating everything.  The name *Literally* tells you that... Just make it safer.

Live Markets: Animals alive, and with like animals.  You buy the live animal, leave with the live animal (Or vendor can merc' it for ya without bloodshed) and you dress it at home.

Ice Markets: Animals are dead, dressed, and on ice.

Keep both separate from fresh produce, especially items with no/minimal expected cooking.

Merltech: Covid is believed to come from Asian wild life being eaten.
Aids is believed to come from African monkeys being eaten.

So yes, PETA (people eating tasty animals) need to be aware of these dangers.


I'm not sure I have heard that particular variation of the story, but my god is yours more PG-13.
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is the one humans get from Eating monkey brains... So, unless you were being lewd...
 
2021-09-07 9:15:14 AM  

Psychopusher: But ... animals are delicious.  You can't stop me from eating delicious things!

In all seriousness, I'm not opposed to eating plant-based meats as long as they do a pretty good job of imitating the real thing.  Plant-based burgers and sausages are pretty decent -- not perfect, but they've come a long way.  I'm starting to see plant-based chicken products done in the same vein as the beef products showing up too, though I've no idea what they're like.  (And they're not the tofu/seitan stuff that's existed for ages.)

Neither am I opposed to the idea of lab-grown meats.  I'd try them.  But until they get close enough in flavour and texture that I'd happily have either one (and plant-based burgers are pretty close), I'm gonna keep eating beef and pork and chicken and fish.  Because, again, delicious.

/Had fried chicken with mashed potatoes and gravy and fresh green and yellow beans last night.


Have you tried Quorn products? It's a fungus based food. The "chicken" patties are pretty good.
 
2021-09-07 9:28:20 AM  

puffy999: The weird thing is that we're SO rich-centric now that I don't doubt there are ranches somewhere used exclusively to feed the elite classes things such as passenger pigeon and great auk eggs or BBQ thylacine tails.


Sure, that's what you tell them. What you actually feed them is Hawaiian tigerfish mixed with smoked turkey.

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2021-09-07 11:11:11 AM  

CFitzsimmons: Psychopusher: But ... animals are delicious.  You can't stop me from eating delicious things!

In all seriousness, I'm not opposed to eating plant-based meats as long as they do a pretty good job of imitating the real thing.  Plant-based burgers and sausages are pretty decent -- not perfect, but they've come a long way.  I'm starting to see plant-based chicken products done in the same vein as the beef products showing up too, though I've no idea what they're like.  (And they're not the tofu/seitan stuff that's existed for ages.)

Neither am I opposed to the idea of lab-grown meats.  I'd try them.  But until they get close enough in flavour and texture that I'd happily have either one (and plant-based burgers are pretty close), I'm gonna keep eating beef and pork and chicken and fish.  Because, again, delicious.

/Had fried chicken with mashed potatoes and gravy and fresh green and yellow beans last night.

Have you tried Quorn products? It's a fungus based food. The "chicken" patties are pretty good.


I haven't tried them yet -- actually I've never seen them for sale over here, though I've heard of it.  I wouldn't be opposed to trying them if I found it though, even if the name of the product is a little weirdly off-putting, though I can't exactly say why.  (It may be because when I see "Quorn," I think of huitlacoche, a.k.a. "Corn smut", which is, in fact, the name of a product that is essentially fungally-infected corn, and is uniquely unappetizing to me, to put it mildly.)
 
2021-09-07 2:52:14 PM  
Boy how the times have changed.
 
2021-09-07 5:59:39 PM  
TFA had no mention of curbing "traditional medicine".

Here is the actual paper with some slight mention   of "traditional medicine".
https://www.nature.com/articles/s4155​9​-021-01546-5
Socio-demographic correlates of wildlife consumption during early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic

those who stated the pandemic had strong impacts on their job or livelihoods were more likely to have increased wildlife consumption as a result of COVID-19, while those who stated it had affected their access to medical treatment were more likely to have made recent wildlife purchases, and were more likely to buy again in the future. This latter result is likely because traditional medicines containing wildlife products may act as a surrogate for conventional medical treatment during this time of restricted access to conventional medicine.


This paper essentially says you can't get rid of "medicinal" wildlife consumption because it is too ingrained and is a status marker.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC7398864/
Understanding China's wildlife markets: Trade and tradition in an age of pandemic


Eating any animal may have started off as affordable protein in the form of bushmeat when farm raised livestock was scarce, but now the "wild tastes" are luxuries.
- Yewei - wildlife meat sold at Chinese wet markets
 
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