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(Yahoo)   Landlord requires tenants in eight apartment complexes to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Makes sense if you've ever had to clean up after body decomposes for few weeks inside locked apartment   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
    More: Florida, Vaccine, Landlord, Vaccination, Eviction, Renting, Santiago A. Alvarez, first large-scale landlord, vaccine requirement  
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2021-09-06 9:37:02 PM  
And yet they don't offer prepaying of cleaning services. FML
 
2021-09-06 9:40:32 PM  
Makes me wish I lived in Florida and owned a business. I'd be filming myself violating Desantis bullshiat 'law' while flipping him off and telling to fark himself. Go ahead and come at me with your wholly unenforceable bullcrap.
 
2021-09-06 9:41:46 PM  
But a man who said he was vaccinated said Alvarez is overstepping his bounds. "That should be illegal," he said of the policy. "You can't force people to do what they don't want to do."

I don't want to wear pants and want to run around wearing a dildo on my head.  That also would be less dangerous to nearby people than being unvaccinated.
 
2021-09-06 9:44:08 PM  

The Four Ringer: Makes me wish I lived in Florida and owned a business. I'd be filming myself violating Desantis bullshiat 'law' while flipping him off and telling to fark himself. Go ahead and come at me with your wholly unenforceable bullcrap.


But then you'd be in Florida.
 
2021-09-06 9:46:11 PM  

jaivirtualcard: The Four Ringer: Makes me wish I lived in Florida and owned a business. I'd be filming myself violating Desantis bullshiat 'law' while flipping him off and telling to fark himself. Go ahead and come at me with your wholly unenforceable bullcrap.

But then you'd be in Florida.


Hey...Florida is great during the winter.

Summer?  Not so much.

/Speak from experience.
 
2021-09-06 9:48:18 PM  
FTFA: "Alvarez said 12 to 15 of his tenants, most of whom lived at his properties in Hialeah, have died of COVID-19 and a larger number have gotten sick. "We don't want that happening to [any more of] our tenants," he said."

Yeah, I'd be sick of cleaning up corpse apartments after a year and a half too.  Not sure he'll win in court, but I agree with him.
 
2021-09-06 9:48:41 PM  

waxbeans: And yet they don't offer prepaying of cleaning services. FML


Your really expecting to die and rot throughout your place eh? You mentioned this before. It's kind that you think of others. Maybe a piggybank ?
 
2021-09-06 9:49:19 PM  
Fun fact: after two weeks they usually rupture their abdomen when you lift them.
 
2021-09-06 9:50:06 PM  
A dead body isn't really a big deal to an apartment complex used to dealing with sewers backing up into ground floor units multiple times a year. I'm pretty sure that the most common act of domestic terrorism committed in the US is 4-year-old kids flushing their sister's Barbie doll down the crapper.
 
2021-09-06 9:52:01 PM  
Republicans need stronger potions!!!
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2021-09-06 9:52:04 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: after two weeks they usually rupture their abdomen when you lift them.


Like before you can get them in a bag? Yikes.
 
2021-09-06 9:52:11 PM  
I had a landlord who would have insisted.

He loved the building and hosted weekly grill parties where about half of us would fire up our grills in the patio he had put in for people to setup their grills.

Fantastic and reasonable apartment. Geothermal heating/cooling, tankless central water heater, solar to offset your bills. All of the systems in the two 8 apartment units built and designed by the owner. On top of that it was original art deco building with very modern guts for the late 90s.

Some landlords aren't scum, just super-villains using their apartment as a base to build crazy shiat.
 
2021-09-06 9:53:12 PM  
Theeng:  I don't want to wear pants and want to run around wearing a dildo on my head.


Agreed.  Running is the worst.
 
2021-09-06 9:53:16 PM  

Gassy Snake: Republicans need stronger potions!!![Fark user image image 425x318]


As long as it's not a vaccine...
 
2021-09-06 9:53:44 PM  

woodjf: waxbeans: And yet they don't offer prepaying of cleaning services. FML

Your really expecting to die and rot throughout your place eh? You mentioned this before. It's kind that you think of others. Maybe a piggybank ?


I'm horrible with money. Which is odd. I'm good at paying bills.
🥺
 
2021-09-06 9:54:14 PM  

drayno76: FTFA: "Alvarez said 12 to 15 of his tenants, most of whom lived at his properties in Hialeah, have died of COVID-19 and a larger number have gotten sick. "We don't want that happening to [any more of] our tenants," he said."

Yeah, I'd be sick of cleaning up corpse apartments after a year and a half too.  Not sure he'll win in court, but I agree with him.


It's a little farked up he doesn't even know how many of his tenants died in his properties in the last 18 months.

Goes to show, to a landlord, you're not a person, you're a revenue stream. "Greetings, Tenant P209...I mean, Vivian."
 
2021-09-06 9:54:52 PM  
If you're really worried about it, I know how you can get a free vaccination card. Just go to the Walgreens website, set up an appointment, and they'll give you a shot and vaccination card. They say you have to stick around 15 minutes afterward but nobody really polices that. You can just leave right after if you want
 
2021-09-06 9:55:34 PM  
Sadly, I agree with the people saying they can't legally require you to show proof of vaccination. They can't do that.

What they can do is quadruple rent and offer 75% to anyone who shows proof they are vaccinated.
 
2021-09-06 9:55:38 PM  
Alvarez, who controls 1,200 units

LMFAO, Fark is suddenly on the side of landlords.
 
2021-09-06 9:56:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: Sadly, I agree with the people saying they can't legally require you to show proof of vaccination. They can't do that.

What they can do is quadruple rent and offer 75% to anyone who shows proof they are vaccinated.


75% off rent, damn it
 
2021-09-06 9:57:41 PM  
Invisible hand of the free market strikes again.
 
2021-09-06 9:58:05 PM  
Vigilante healthcare. Citizens are now enacting and enforcing rules because the government won't.
 
2021-09-06 9:59:32 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Alvarez, who controls 1,200 units

LMFAO, Fark is suddenly on the side of landlords.


When the conditional is free and easily available, it's hard to argue why it doesn't serve the public health interest.
 
2021-09-06 10:01:13 PM  

jaivirtualcard: The Four Ringer: Makes me wish I lived in Florida and owned a business. I'd be filming myself violating Desantis bullshiat 'law' while flipping him off and telling to fark himself. Go ahead and come at me with your wholly unenforceable bullcrap.

But then you'd be in Florida.


I laughed out loud so hard the cat jumped. And I don't even have a cat!
 
2021-09-06 10:04:13 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Alvarez, who controls 1,200 units

LMFAO, Fark is suddenly on the side of landlords.


Landlords are responsible for tenant safety and this is a public health concern. How is this any different than a landlord telling tenants they can't smoke inside the buildings?
 
2021-09-06 10:04:43 PM  
Good. Freeze the plague rats out. No farking apartments for you filthy disease spreaders. Hopefully this is followed shortly by their bank's terms of service requiring proof of vax.

Throw them in a farking mud pit for all of me.
 
2021-09-06 10:05:40 PM  

TorpedoOrca: If you're really worried about it, I know how you can get a free vaccination card. Just go to the Walgreens website, set up an appointment, and they'll give you a shot and vaccination card. They say you have to stick around 15 minutes afterward but nobody really polices that. You can just leave right after if you want


This. Although I did take a friend to get his second shot and the pharmacy took his ID and didn't give it back until the 15 minutes were up and they made sure he was okay first.
 
2021-09-06 10:05:58 PM  
I appreciate what the landlord is trying to do.

But I do wonder how this will work with fair housing laws. Ultimately, vaccination is a medical decision and personal choice in most cases. I have trouble seeing how you can deny housing to someone on the basis of this. How much power over tenants' personal lives do we really want to give a landlord?  If they can require vaccination, what else can they require?  Can they deny women who have had an abortion, for instance?

Yes, I understand the public health benefits of requiring vaccination in a close living space, but I don't think this is really the way to go about it. Just require vaccination for the general public if you want to achieve that goal.
 
2021-09-06 10:07:29 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: after two weeks they usually rupture their abdomen when you lift them.


Mmmm. The meat just falls off the bone in sheets.
 
2021-09-06 10:08:30 PM  

wxboy: Can they deny women who have had an abortion, for instance?


Can they refuse someone whose presence causes pregnant women to spontaneously abort?   That would be a more accurate comparison.
 
2021-09-06 10:08:39 PM  

iron_city_ap: Sadly, I agree with the people saying they can't legally require you to show proof of vaccination. They can't do that.

What they can do is quadruple rent and offer 75% to anyone who shows proof they are vaccinated.


If you're month to month they can probably put whatever clause in the renewal they want, if you don't like the terms of the agreement then move. If you've got an existing rental agreement then you're correct they probably can't modify it unless it's very well crafted and state law allows for such one sided amendments.
 
2021-09-06 10:08:46 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: Alvarez, who controls 1,200 units

LMFAO, Fark is suddenly on the side of landlords.


Just on the side of anyone who takes this pandemic seriously and errs on the side of taking care of the collective over someone's selfish desires.

But hey, you do you.
 
2021-09-06 10:09:40 PM  
Yes. This is the way. Take away the ability of the anti-vaxxers to travel, to conduct business, to be employed, or to rent. Fine them. Take away their property and their possessions. Reduce them to poverty and ruin.
 
2021-09-06 10:12:40 PM  
In which we learn the party of free enterprise only values the right of business owners to refuse service to brown people.
 
2021-09-06 10:14:33 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Yes. This is the way. Take away the ability of the anti-vaxxers to travel, to conduct business, to be employed, or to rent. Fine them. Take away their property and their possessions. Reduce them to poverty and ruin.


I concur.
 
2021-09-06 10:16:15 PM  

wxboy: I appreciate what the landlord is trying to do.

But I do wonder how this will work with fair housing laws. Ultimately, vaccination is a medical decision and personal choice in most cases. I have trouble seeing how you can deny housing to someone on the basis of this. How much power over tenants' personal lives do we really want to give a landlord?  If they can require vaccination, what else can they require?  Can they deny women who have had an abortion, for instance?

Yes, I understand the public health benefits of requiring vaccination in a close living space, but I don't think this is really the way to go about it. Just require vaccination for the general public if you want to achieve that goal.


The landlord cannot require vaccinations in the general public. This is all he can attempt to do. That he has to attempt it is a failure of the government to protect him and his interests from biological terrorists.
 
2021-09-06 10:18:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: after two weeks they usually rupture their abdomen when you lift them.


Thanks, doc. I so did not need you to tell me this fact.

I still remember the video we got in my EMT class of the fire guys going in on a bad decomp, in full bunker gear and SCBAs, the guy's face was pitch black, and the instructor helpfully telling us, "That was a 70-year old white guy!" and we didn't even have to smell it, just listen to the firefighters retching.
 
2021-09-06 10:20:07 PM  

treesloth: wxboy: Can they deny women who have had an abortion, for instance?

Can they refuse someone whose presence causes pregnant women to spontaneously abort?   That would be a more accurate comparison.


Landlords can require you to not smoke in your apartment, or even on the grounds of the property.

Having deliberately unvaccinated people in the units is a health concern, to the extent that they are willfully spreading disease on and in his property. If he can stop people from being able to exhale cigarette smoke, he should be able to stop them from exhaling coronavirus, especially when there is a free alternative.

By all means let them attempt to get medical exemptions.
 
2021-09-06 10:22:32 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: after two weeks they usually rupture their abdomen when you lift them.


This needs a {sadface} button on the toolbar.
 
2021-09-06 10:22:41 PM  
Well that's one way to get around the rent moratorium
 
2021-09-06 10:23:09 PM  
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2021-09-06 10:23:11 PM  
"Where does it end?" Korte said. "Where will non-vaccinated people live? A slum?"

The Pine condo
 
2021-09-06 10:25:03 PM  

fat boy: "Where does it end?" Korte said. "Where will non-vaccinated people live? A slum?"

The Pine condo


Ideally, yes.
 
2021-09-06 10:26:20 PM  

fat boy: "Where does it end?" Korte said. "Where will non-vaccinated people live? A slum?"

The Pine condo


Their new Forever Home.

Oh wait, that's for pet adoptions.

Meh. Close Enough.
 
2021-09-06 10:26:40 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fun fact: after two weeks they usually rupture their abdomen when you lift them.


That doesn't sound very fun.

The most gross thing I have heard of was a guy who had an electric heating element for his bathtub to keep the water hot.  He had a heart attack in the tub and died.  His knees were poking up out of the water, the rest of him sort of turned into broth after a week or two in near-boiling water.

No word on if his name was Stu.

Unanswered question:  What do you do at that point?  I assume that technically the bathwater IS his remains, you can't just pop the drain and run him down the sewer.  Do you grab a colander and sift as much out of the water as possible?
 
2021-09-06 10:27:07 PM  

wxboy: I appreciate what the landlord is trying to do.

But I do wonder how this will work with fair housing laws. Ultimately, vaccination is a medical decision and personal choice in most cases. I have trouble seeing how you can deny housing to someone on the basis of this. How much power over tenants' personal lives do we really want to give a landlord?  If they can require vaccination, what else can they require?  Can they deny women who have had an abortion, for instance?

Yes, I understand the public health benefits of requiring vaccination in a close living space, but I don't think this is really the way to go about it. Just require vaccination for the general public if you want to achieve that goal.


The landlord isn't requiring vaccination for Influenza, Pneumonia, Shingles, HPV, HEP-A or B, Measles, or stubbornness or stupidity. There is a global pandemic which makes Sars-Cov-2 an extraordinary situation, and it is putting an extraordinary load on the healthcare systems.
 
2021-09-06 10:28:42 PM  
Black people, because they are more likely to resist getting vaccinated, could be denied housing in disproportionate numbers if Alvarez's policy becomes standard practice


It's a kinder and gentler form of Redlining.
 
2021-09-06 10:29:11 PM  
Forget the "this will force tenants to move/double up/live on the street" bullshiat.  It doesn't force them to do anything but get a free vaccination.  If they need to show how important this is to them by being evicted, more power to them.  Their choice.
 
2021-09-06 10:32:46 PM  

sex_and_drugs_for_ian: Black people, because they are more likely to resist getting vaccinated, could be denied housing in disproportionate numbers if Alvarez's policy becomes standard practice


It's a kinder and gentler form of Redlining.


A black person cannot stop being black. An unvaccinated person can trivially stop being unvaccinated.
 
2021-09-06 10:32:46 PM  

stoli n coke: NotThatGuyAgain: Alvarez, who controls 1,200 units

LMFAO, Fark is suddenly on the side of landlords.

Landlords are responsible for tenant safety and this is a public health concern. How is this any different than a landlord telling tenants they can't smoke inside the buildings?


But what can be done if they won't comply? The libturds have already said they should be able to stay rent free for the rest of their lives because reasons.
 
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