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(C|Net)   Dont waste your money seeing Dune if you want to see the entire story. They did that "split one book into many movies to increase wallet size" garbage on it because no one has been run over for this yet   (cnet.com) divider line
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2021-09-04 4:20:52 AM  
Because trying to cram the immensity of Dune into one movie worked so well last time, I guess.
 
2021-09-04 5:27:54 AM  
Asinine tag is for the author not the subject right?
 
2021-09-04 6:17:11 AM  
Arrakis is the only source of spice, a substance that acts as the fuel for space travel in the Dune universe.
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2021-09-04 6:22:26 AM  
Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.
 
2021-09-04 6:27:40 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Asinine tag is for the author not the subject right?


Author or headline maybe, author of review dreads the possibility that we won't see other parts
 
2021-09-04 6:32:18 AM  
This was announced like what, 2 years ago?
 
2021-09-04 6:44:10 AM  

Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.


except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.
 
2021-09-04 6:55:45 AM  
LOTR got rewarded heavily for it (and rightly so, it's a masterpiece), The Hobbit got panned for the same trick(also deserved).

It's all about how much story there is to tell. Two is about right for Dune, three is too much.
 
2021-09-04 7:01:47 AM  

EvilEgg: LOTR got rewarded heavily for it (and rightly so, it's a masterpiece), The Hobbit got panned for the same trick(also deserved).


Well, yeah. But LOTR is three books in one gigantic one. The Hobbit is just one book.
 
2021-09-04 7:10:54 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.

except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.


I used to say nobody has ever read all of Atlas Shrugged and all of Lord of the Rings. Atlas shrugged you skip the speeches and LotR you skip the elf songs. But I know at least Stephen Colbert has read all of LotR including the elf songs. I dont think even the most hard core Randoids have read all of Galt's rant.
 
2021-09-04 7:47:39 AM  

bostonguy: LOTR is three books in one gigantic one.


Would you believe, bostonguy, that the LOTR was six books, published as three?
 
2021-09-04 7:52:28 AM  

Sgygus: bostonguy: LOTR is three books in one gigantic one.

Would you believe, bostonguy, that the LOTR was six books, published as three?


Wait, really? If so, I stand corrected.
 
2021-09-04 7:55:32 AM  

bostonguy: EvilEgg: LOTR got rewarded heavily for it (and rightly so, it's a masterpiece), The Hobbit got panned for the same trick(also deserved).

Well, yeah. But LOTR is three books in one gigantic one. The Hobbit is just one book.


Yeah, but they did salt it with a little bit of Silmarillion backstory.
 
2021-09-04 8:19:18 AM  
Both Dune and LOTR bored the crap out of me as novels.
 
2021-09-04 8:20:30 AM  
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2021-09-04 8:21:55 AM  

EvilEgg: LOTR got rewarded heavily for it (and rightly so, it's a masterpiece), The Hobbit got panned for the same trick(also deserved).

It's all about how much story there is to tell. Two is about right for Dune, three is too much.


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2021-09-04 8:25:19 AM  

Ghastly: Giant Clown Shoe: Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.

except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.

I used to say nobody has ever read all of Atlas Shrugged and all of Lord of the Rings. Atlas shrugged you skip the speeches and LotR you skip the elf songs. But I know at least Stephen Colbert has read all of LotR including the elf songs. I dont think even the most hard core Randoids have read all of Galt's rant.


I keep the elf songs on my spotify playlist.
 
2021-09-04 8:25:40 AM  
Tried reading the book "Dune".

Nothing happened in the first 100 pages.  So that equates to, what, two minutes screen time?
 
2021-09-04 8:26:00 AM  

Ghastly: Giant Clown Shoe: Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.

except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.

I used to say nobody has ever read all of Atlas Shrugged and all of Lord of the Rings. Atlas shrugged you skip the speeches and LotR you skip the elf songs. But I know at least Stephen Colbert has read all of LotR including the elf songs. I dont think even the most hard core Randoids have read all of Galt's rant.


I had a roommate in college who read all fifty pages because I told him no one does. It was a weird flex.
 
2021-09-04 8:27:33 AM  

Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.


Even better, nobody would fund the third movie, so they used GoFundMe or some other crowd-sourcing app.

Oh, the irony.  Capitalist giants having to beg peasants for start-up money.
 
2021-09-04 8:35:12 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: bostonguy: EvilEgg: LOTR got rewarded heavily for it (and rightly so, it's a masterpiece), The Hobbit got panned for the same trick(also deserved).

Well, yeah. But LOTR is three books in one gigantic one. The Hobbit is just one book.

Yeah, but they did salt it with a little bit of Silmarillion backstory.


I love the ancillary lore in the books, but I hated how bloated the movies of The Hobbit were.  LOTR was an epic story while The Hobbit was always just a fun adventure.  It was a much lighter tale.  I would have much preferred one very long movie, or maybe split it into two parts.  Making it three just ruined it.  As it is, I prefer the Rankin/Bass version since it at least gets the tone right.
 
2021-09-04 8:38:10 AM  

Joe USer: Ghastly: Giant Clown Shoe: Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.

except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.

I used to say nobody has ever read all of Atlas Shrugged and all of Lord of the Rings. Atlas shrugged you skip the speeches and LotR you skip the elf songs. But I know at least Stephen Colbert has read all of LotR including the elf songs. I dont think even the most hard core Randoids have read all of Galt's rant.

I keep the elf songs on my spotify playlist.


Tolkien Ensemble did great work with them, they even have Christopher Lee there for some of them.
 
2021-09-04 8:38:32 AM  
I haven't even seen the trailer, just that one picture in the article.   So, I can't be the only one who twitched at seeing the lax stillsuit security, right?  Masks, and headgear removed outside, distressed and poorly constructed knee pads just falling out?

This is an outrage!
 
2021-09-04 8:40:03 AM  
I hated the book being high literary language duct taped to mediocre rebellion stapled to a science fantasy milieu.
 
2021-09-04 8:40:11 AM  
They announced it was going to be a 2-parter when they started making the movie, dumbmitter.
 
2021-09-04 8:40:12 AM  
I don't know what flavor of crack Subby is smoking this morning but I'm going to have to agree with the decision to split this movie in half. It's either that or leave a lot of good stuff out.
 
2021-09-04 8:40:48 AM  

Joe USer: Ghastly: Giant Clown Shoe: Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.

except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.

I used to say nobody has ever read all of Atlas Shrugged and all of Lord of the Rings. Atlas shrugged you skip the speeches and LotR you skip the elf songs. But I know at least Stephen Colbert has read all of LotR including the elf songs. I dont think even the most hard core Randoids have read all of Galt's rant.

I keep the elf songs on my spotify playlist.


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2021-09-04 8:41:08 AM  

LewDux: Arrakis is the only source of spice, a substance that acts as the fuel for space travel in the Dune universe.
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Cripes, if you can't get the core mechanic of the storys universe right, just stop.
 
2021-09-04 8:43:41 AM  

felching pen: Because trying to cram the immensity of Dune into one movie worked so well last time, I guess.


This.  Dune is one of those stories that you have to break down into multiple movies if you want to do it right.  Better yet, it's one of those stories that could only be done right as a Netflix and/or HBO show, and should have been HBOs next big project after Game of Thrones ended.
 
2021-09-04 8:44:08 AM  
But the author says it's star-studded!

Star-studded!

Thrice in the first two paragraphs. What else do you people want if not a star-studded movie?
 
2021-09-04 8:44:36 AM  

claytonemery: Tried reading the book "Dune".

Nothing happened in the first 100 pages.  So that equates to, what, two minutes screen time?


That was plot and character development.
 
2021-09-04 8:44:38 AM  
There was an article on here about Mamoa pushing for something like a six hour long cut of the movie. Forget if he meant it as a six hour part one or release both parts together at six hours, but either way I kind of wish they'd do that. Or at least release the six hour cut on streaming and see which cut does better. Even without the plague going on, I'm pretty sure I'd rather stay at home, go nuts on edibles, and watch the six hour version.
 
2021-09-04 8:51:40 AM  

EvilEgg: Ghastly: Giant Clown Shoe: Ghastly: Atlas Shrugged got run over for doing that. People just don't want to see three movies about sociopaths with a hard on for trains.

except the source material for Dune is compelling while Atlas Shrugged is ponderous and only suitable for use as a doorstop.

I used to say nobody has ever read all of Atlas Shrugged and all of Lord of the Rings. Atlas shrugged you skip the speeches and LotR you skip the elf songs. But I know at least Stephen Colbert has read all of LotR including the elf songs. I dont think even the most hard core Randoids have read all of Galt's rant.

I had a roommate in college who read all fifty pages because I told him no one does. It was a weird flex.


I'm a completionist. I read it all. You didn't miss anything. I've read worse nonfiction essays, but I'd have to reach to think of worse fiction.

It's been a long time since I read Dune, but 4+ hours seems a little tight to do the story well. And I understand the worry about getting the 2nd chapter at all. Don't a lot of "franchise" films lately film multiples at once? I always assumed that was partly to market to people who might wait until they're sure the complete story will be told.
 
2021-09-04 9:01:19 AM  
Read the article twice and I'm still trying to figure out where in the story they are when the movie ends. Did I miss something?
 
2021-09-04 9:10:32 AM  
I listened to Dune while driving all the way across Nevada.  I think the landscape helped getting a feel for the setting of the story.
 
2021-09-04 9:18:13 AM  
Meh.

Back in 2003 or so I read the book, then watched the movie, then watched the SciFi channel miniseries all within about a fortnight.

One of the ways the miniseries was better than the movie was that it was longer, so it had more time to explore the world of the story.

The key thing to splitting up a book into multiple movies is making sure the individual movies are enjoyable as self contained entities.  The problem with Battlefield Earth wasn't that they only did the first half of the book, after all.  As long as the first movie tells a complete story unto itself, it's completely fine if it doesn't do the entire story of the novel.  (Since it was two decades ago, I can't recall off-hand what a good breakpoint would be so I can't give a specific example here)

\I tried moving on with the books but just couldn't get in to the next one
 
2021-09-04 9:18:30 AM  
du?  when does ne come out?
 
2021-09-04 9:21:20 AM  
They have said from the get-go it was only the first half of the story...

It's also 2.5 hours long....Villeneuve has said the sequel would push 3 hours so good luck finding audiences willing to sit for six hours (when you factor in trailers and Maria Menonous) in a theater.

LOTR was the same way, it's fine.  I'm more concerned that WB doesn't greenlight the second half due to the inevitable lousy returns this is going to have since they're day and date releasing it on streaming.
 
2021-09-04 9:27:57 AM  
Actually, if you want to see the entire story, it's probably wise to give them money to see the first half, so that the suits decide to actually do that.
 
2021-09-04 9:30:51 AM  

hotrod2001: They have said from the get-go it was only the first half of the story...

It's also 2.5 hours long....Villeneuve has said the sequel would push 3 hours so good luck finding audiences willing to sit for six hours (when you factor in trailers and Maria Menonous) in a theater.

LOTR was the same way, it's fine.  I'm more concerned that WB doesn't greenlight the second half due to the inevitable lousy returns this is going to have since they're day and date releasing it on streaming.


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I enjoy long slow films that make you feel like you just woke up from a coma.
 
2021-09-04 9:34:24 AM  
This will be the first movie I'm willing to go to theaters for since Covid began.  Villeneuve is a fantastic director, and while I'm not a huge Dune fan, this seems like the kind of movie that should be seen in the theater.
 
2021-09-04 9:39:44 AM  

Sgygus: bostonguy: LOTR is three books in one gigantic one.

Would you believe, bostonguy, that the LOTR was six books, published as three?


No no no.  LOTR was based on a series of Good Housekeeping articles about hosting potlucks.
 
2021-09-04 9:39:57 AM  
OccamsWhiskers:

They didn't do that in this case because, IIRC, they struggled to get the funding for this one in the first place. So the second being made depends on the performance of this one. Which is coming out with delta all over the place and after a year's delay.

/ Finally watched blade runner 2077 a couple months back and holy shiat, that shouldn't have been good but was instead perfect.
// So now I'm very excited for Villeneuve's take on Dune, but worried we're not getting Part 2.
/// They're advertising it like it's based on a YA novel, so I'm hoping that gets a whole bunch of teens to buy tickets.
 
2021-09-04 9:40:35 AM  

BeesNuts: Actually, if you want to see the entire story, it's probably wise to give them money to see the first half, so that the suits decide to actually do that.


I'm not investing my time/energy into this, until it's complete.  I'm not a partner in this enterprise.
 
2021-09-04 9:42:00 AM  

bostonguy: EvilEgg: LOTR got rewarded heavily for it (and rightly so, it's a masterpiece), The Hobbit got panned for the same trick(also deserved).

Well, yeah. But LOTR is three six books in one gigantic one. The Hobbit is just one book.


FTFY

Tolkien was initially opposed to titles being given to each two-book volume, preferring instead the use of book titles: e.g. The Lord of the Rings: Vol. 1, The Ring Sets Out and The Ring Goes South; Vol. 2, The Treason of Isengard and The Ring Goes East; Vol. 3, The War of the Ring and The End of the Third Age. However, these individual book titles were dropped, and after pressure from his publishers, Tolkien suggested the volume titles: Vol. 1, The Shadow Grows; Vol. 2, The Ring in the Shadow; Vol. 3, The War of the Ring or The Return of the King.[54][55]
 
2021-09-04 9:43:39 AM  

Sgygus: bostonguy: LOTR is three books in one gigantic one.

Would you believe, bostonguy, that the LOTR was six books, published as three?


And that's what I get for replying before reading the rest of the thread.

*shakes Hobbit fist* ;)
 
2021-09-04 9:47:03 AM  

fallingcow: They didn't do that in this case because, IIRC, they struggled to get the funding for this one in the first place. So the second being made depends on the performance of this one. Which is coming out with delta all over the place and after a year's delay.


So there's what, a 90% change the second movie isn't getting made?
 
2021-09-04 9:50:15 AM  

LewDux: BumpInTheNight: Asinine tag is for the author not the subject right?

Author or headline maybe, author of review dreads the possibility that we won't see other parts


In particular, if you're going to split a story like this, you need to pay off at least some of the first act and actually have a third act. It looks like this movie just cuts off.

It's a huge red flag for the motives of the production company. It means two things:

They insisted on the double dip

They didn't care enough to split it properly

For a frankly niche franchise with mostly older hardcore fans, you're setting it up for failure with such shenanigans. The fans won't be happy until they can stream the six hour directors' cut, and the risk is that all the new viewers will just go "that was weird" and not bother with part 2.
 
2021-09-04 10:07:05 AM  

Evil Mackerel: hotrod2001: They have said from the get-go it was only the first half of the story...

It's also 2.5 hours long....Villeneuve has said the sequel would push 3 hours so good luck finding audiences willing to sit for six hours (when you factor in trailers and Maria Menonous) in a theater.

LOTR was the same way, it's fine.  I'm more concerned that WB doesn't greenlight the second half due to the inevitable lousy returns this is going to have since they're day and date releasing it on streaming.

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I enjoy long slow films that make you feel like you just woke up from a coma.


2001 has an intermission at least
 
2021-09-04 10:09:15 AM  
Villenueve and the studio can go f*ck themselves.

*casting Jared Leto in BR 2049 put him on my shiat list ....forever
 
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