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2021-08-30 7:59:31 PM  
Ballmer was the one who hated Linux.  That was in 2001.  Nadella has said "Microsoft loves Linux."

Microsoft pretty much gives away their client operating system.  They want you to run it so it can tie into Azure, where their money comes from these days.  O365 subs and Azure.
 
2021-08-30 8:34:12 PM  
SCO?

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2021-08-30 9:23:47 PM  
During the original trial, IBM had Brian Kernigan (of K&R fame) as one of their witnesses. Somebody at the time said that this was like getting into a religious dispute and having Moses as one of your witnesses.
 
2021-08-30 11:40:09 PM  
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2021-08-30 11:45:44 PM  

syrynxx: Ballmer was the one who hated Linux.  That was in 2001.  Nadella has said "Microsoft loves Linux."

Microsoft pretty much gives away their client operating system.  They want you to run it so it can tie into Azure, where their money comes from these days.  O365 subs and Azure.


Yep. Linux may be free, but there is a ton of money to be made selling Linux VM instances in Azure.
 
2021-08-31 12:03:37 AM  
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2021-08-31 12:25:50 AM  
Quick! Someone wake up Groklaw.
 
2021-08-31 12:36:47 AM  

syrynxx: Ballmer was the one who hated Linux.  That was in 2001.  Nadella has said "Microsoft loves Linux."

Microsoft pretty much gives away their client operating system.  They want you to run it so it can tie into Azure, where their money comes from these days.  O365 subs and Azure.


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Ballmer loved Xenix.
 
2021-08-31 3:25:41 AM  
What I learned from Linux is that the most effective way to kill Linux is to install Linux.

When is the year of the Linux desktop?
 
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2021-08-31 5:29:28 AM  
Linux has had decades to replace the allegedly copyrighted code.  Did anybody think of that?
 
2021-08-31 6:40:09 AM  

casual disregard: When is the year of the Linux desktop?


I'd have to guess the answer to that is "never."

Never really cared for Win 10 and saw what was on the horizon for Win 11, so I decided to make the switch.  Had three Asus VivoMinis sitting around as backup work PCs (been working from home for seven years now), so I converted them all to Linux Mint after trying two other variants (Ubuntu and Zorin).  Everything has been remarkably smooth with them -- installs, day-to-day updates, daily usage.  OpenConnect has been a great replacement for Cisco's AnyConnect, and Remmina has been a more than adequate Remote Desktop replacement for connecting to my Win 10 virtual machine.  I haven't needed to start up my previous work computer (Win 10) for almost two months now.

But.

Linux will never challenge Windows for the average user.  Though help has always been easy for me to find online, it frequently comes in the form of "Simple, just open a terminal window and type in this extraordinarily long and cryptic command."  This doesn't phase me because I've been working with command prompts since the DOS 2.x days, and even now I spend a good chunk of my work days in a Win 10 command prompt.  For many things, it's just an easier way to get things done.  For the average Windows user?  Hell no.

If Linux wants to convert Windows users, 99.9% of everything needs to be done within the GUI.  Until then, Linux will remain a niche OS for home users.
 
2021-08-31 7:11:11 AM  
I'm a former Linux admin, run Debian on my work desktop, MacOS at home, but I am the primary Microsoft 365 admin at my place of employment...which means I've memorized so many powershell cmdlets that it has started to push out bash scripting from dark corners of my brain.

I was just supposed to administer the email. Fml.
 
2021-08-31 7:32:57 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: casual disregard: When is the year of the Linux desktop?

I'd have to guess the answer to that is "never."

Never really cared for Win 10 and saw what was on the horizon for Win 11, so I decided to make the switch.  Had three Asus VivoMinis sitting around as backup work PCs (been working from home for seven years now), so I converted them all to Linux Mint after trying two other variants (Ubuntu and Zorin).  Everything has been remarkably smooth with them -- installs, day-to-day updates, daily usage.  OpenConnect has been a great replacement for Cisco's AnyConnect, and Remmina has been a more than adequate Remote Desktop replacement for connecting to my Win 10 virtual machine.  I haven't needed to start up my previous work computer (Win 10) for almost two months now.

But.

Linux will never challenge Windows for the average user.  Though help has always been easy for me to find online, it frequently comes in the form of "Simple, just open a terminal window and type in this extraordinarily long and cryptic command."  This doesn't phase me because I've been working with command prompts since the DOS 2.x days, and even now I spend a good chunk of my work days in a Win 10 command prompt.  For many things, it's just an easier way to get things done.  For the average Windows user?  Hell no.

If Linux wants to convert Windows users, 99.9% of everything needs to be done within the GUI.  Until then, Linux will remain a niche OS for home users.


I get what you mean, I think. I hate to admit it because I was all computers and tech and stuff when I was younger. Now I'm old and I just want to push a button and have it power on and it just works.
 
2021-08-31 8:45:41 AM  
Hey subby, Microsoft has embraced Linux and the open source community. You can install "Windows subsystem Linux" which essentially runs the kernel in a VM that is tied into the OS. It works great, I use it everyday for development purposes. As others have stated azure also runs Linux for most instances.
 
2021-08-31 8:51:43 AM  

casual disregard: What I learned from Linux is that the most effective way to kill Linux is to install Linux.

When is the year of the Linux desktop?


I don't think we are actually talking about the Linux desktop, here. There is lots and lots of Linux in lots and lots of stuff - and if anybody owned a piece of it, that would be a big deal.
 
2021-08-31 9:02:34 AM  

casual disregard: I get what you mean, I think. I hate to admit it because I was all computers and tech and stuff when I was younger. Now I'm old and I just want to push a button and have it power on and it just works.


Same here.  I used to spend hours on computers outside work hours, now I don't.  I just want to get my job done.

Just one quick example of what I mean.  After setting up the computers, I wanted to change the computer names to make them more meaningful (Work1, WorkBackup, etc.)  In Windows, you can do it from the GUI (Start, Computer, Properties, etc.).  In Linux, you have to type commands in a terminal window.  Even when I looked up how to install the Chrome browser, the instructions I found were to do it from a terminal window.

Yeah, it's not difficult if you're familiar with it, and copying/pasting the commands from a web page is easy.  Most Windows users aren't going to do that, though.  Even downloading an executable and double-clicking to install can befuddle non-tech people.
 
2021-08-31 9:35:53 AM  
Jesus, this thing keeps coming back to life. I've learned valuable info from Groklaw but I shouldn't need to know it.

Unfortunately I sometimes do.
 
2021-08-31 11:19:54 AM  
We thought we were cool as hell in Silicon Valley during the dotcom era when we wore a SCO shirt riding our scooters over to the huge rec room / food hall.

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2021-08-31 11:25:39 AM  
im glad most people here know that Linux is more that an OS for say a Dell XPS laptop
in fact Dell XPS ships with Ubuntu on their laptop for couple hundreds bucks more
which kinda defeats the purpose of Linux, affordable and free!
 
2021-08-31 12:48:27 PM  

go_Oilers_go: im glad most people here know that Linux is more that an OS for say a Dell XPS laptop
in fact Dell XPS ships with Ubuntu on their laptop for couple hundreds bucks more
which kinda defeats the purpose of Linux, affordable and free!


Linux is free like speech not free like beer.
 
2021-08-31 1:27:05 PM  
Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
 
2021-08-31 1:33:37 PM  
Xenix (Microsoft Unix) was my first computing experience. That was back in the good old days when it didn't even ship with a page editor. I remember being ecstatic when I finally got a DOS boot floppy, because the only games I could play before that were the ones I typed in myself.

I've been several sorts of *nix admin in my life. Linux is a farking breeze these days, even if I generally do Windows stuff for about 95% of my job.
 
2021-08-31 1:49:26 PM  

meanmutton: go_Oilers_go: im glad most people here know that Linux is more that an OS for say a Dell XPS laptop
in fact Dell XPS ships with Ubuntu on their laptop for couple hundreds bucks more
which kinda defeats the purpose of Linux, affordable and free!

Linux is free like speech not free like beer.


You can't buy beer - you can only rent it.
 
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