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2004-10-17 07:50:25 PM  
2004-10-17 07:51:46 PM  
thank you tampa tribune. dont get involved in that crap. presidents are overrated anyways
2004-10-17 07:54:26 PM  
The newspaper has solidly supported every Republican presidential nominee since 1952

I think that says enough, right there. There's no way they would have ever endorsed Kerry.
2004-10-17 07:55:00 PM  
The morons don't even know there are other political parties in the USA. Journalists. Sheesh. They have a college degree? Whoda thunk it.

Farkers, write these dimwits and point out the Libertarians, Greens, Independants, whatever. I'm so sick of the two-party groupthink mesmerism I can't even eat. It's time for a real change, dump the Demopublicans. C'mon, Kerry and Bush were both in Skull and Bones. Both! Wake the bleep up people!
2004-10-17 10:01:11 PM  
Too many people are worried about being behind the winner that they fail to see that they are the only ones losing.

If you really want change... vote for something different.
2004-10-17 10:16:00 PM  
Here's a link to the actual "endorsement":

http://www.tampatrib .com/News/MGBU3UEHF0E.html
2004-10-17 10:27:17 PM  
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2004-10-18 12:10:26 AM  
"The morons don't even know there are other political parties in the USA. Journalists. Sheesh. They have a college degree? Whoda thunk it.

Farkers, write these dimwits and point out the Libertarians, Greens, Independants, whatever. I'm so sick of the two-party groupthink mesmerism I can't even eat. It's time for a real change, dump the Demopublicans. C'mon, Kerry and Bush were both in Skull and Bones. Both! Wake the bleep up people!"

Amen, brother. Vote Badnarik
2004-10-18 12:24:45 AM  
Why do I get the feeling that they would have endorsed Kerry, but company policy forbids it?
2004-10-18 01:18:02 AM  
Third parties are, have been, and will continue to be the redheaded stepchildren of American politics.

Someone who's interested only in whining about the unfair nature of "the system" on the shoulders of fellow holier-than-thou, too-pure-to-get-their-hands-dirty will naturally gravitate to a third party.

Someone who's interested in making a difference by effecting real change in their local community and working together with other communities through the values of compromise and mutual assistance will naturally gravitate toward the Rs or Ds -- and take them over from within.

Hey, it worked for the "Christian" nutcases currently occupying the White House.
2004-10-18 01:19:33 AM  
Does anyone really care about the Tampa Tribune?

//good night.
2004-10-18 01:19:51 AM  
Just Ignorant: Because you're just ignorant?
2004-10-18 01:21:51 AM  
Thank you Tampa Tribune. Thank you very much.
2004-10-18 01:23:14 AM  
Sergeant Tux

2004-10-18 01:24:51 AM  
... with a capital "C".
2004-10-18 01:25:04 AM  
Does anyone really give a crap what a "newspaper" endorses? It's almost as ridiculous as the office of sheriff having party affiliation. What a bunch of horseshiat.
2004-10-18 01:26:16 AM  
When exactly did newspapers start endorsing presidential candidates anyway?

To all the newspaper editors, I have an idea. How about you give us the facts, throw in a few editorials on both sides of pertinent issues, and then let US, the READERS, decide who to vote for, capisce?
2004-10-18 01:27:13 AM  
Both Kerry and Bush have to win Tampa to win the state.

/Don't forget the boobies. Tampa has the best strip clubs in the state.
2004-10-18 01:28:22 AM  
I'm also with crazycurt

The problem is that we don't like to spend time on anything, we just wanna do it fast and easy. sure, we could have more candidates, but then we'd have to spend more time deciding and researching. the same reason wal-mart, mcdonalds, and microsoft are so succesful.

it's not true for all of us, but is for most
2004-10-18 01:28:56 AM  
2004-10-18 01:30:54 AM  
I'm sorry but there's absolutely nothing heroic about this. All it shows to me is a paper that is either too weak willed or dimwitted to form an opinion. I'd have more respect for them if they would have come out and endorsed Lyndon LaRouche.

Those dumb mother f*ckers in Tampa ought to be ashamed of themselves.

But then again, it's the Tampa Tribune, what do you expect?

"Sooner or later, one has to choose a side." -- Graham Greene, "The Quiet American"
2004-10-18 01:31:27 AM  
People still read newspapers?!?!
2004-10-18 01:31:48 AM  
Newspapers have always endorsed politicians and especially ballot initiatives. And since when did people care about facts, let alone read in this current election cycle?
2004-10-18 01:32:43 AM  
These are Republicans- REAL Republicans, not Neo-Conservatives like Bush. If there were a real Republican in the race, they'd endorse someone, but they disagree with Bush as much as they disagree with Kerry. And they're not libertarian, green, or "constitutionalist" (those guys make me sick) either, so they're not going to endorse a third party.

I just think it speaks volumes that so many Republicans are turning away from Bush. I know several. They don't have to vote for Kerry, they can just stay home on election day.
2004-10-18 01:34:15 AM  
Tampa Tribune is right -- Bush doesn't merit re-election and Kerry doesn't merit being elected, period. Sadly, the Tampe Tribune falls into the same antiquated two-party mindset -- there are several good third-party candidates out there.

2004-10-18 01:34:18 AM  
It's all about the social democrats.

/thinks having some socialism not all that bad
//means more than there is now
///grabs another beer and loks for porn
////enough goodbye
2004-10-18 01:34:27 AM  
I hear everyone on the Tampa Tribune's staff is voting for Nader.
2004-10-18 01:35:35 AM  
Tampa Trib used to be the conservative paper of the Tampa Bay area, the St. Pete Times their liberal counterpart.

Since 2000, though, the Trib has moved more and more to the left. Draw your on conclusions as to why this might be.
2004-10-18 01:35:42 AM  
Meanwhile, the paper in St. Pete endorsed Kerry.
2004-10-18 01:36:12 AM  
This is just an early indicator that once again Florida will be unable to choose a president on its own.
2004-10-18 01:36:27 AM  
Why is it even a question in anyones mind?

Has Bush not farked things up enough for you?

What the hell?!??!
2004-10-18 01:39:42 AM  
being up here in liberal Chicago is strange for a Florida boy.
Up here they will vote against Bush and pretend to care about the disenfranchised.

It was strange that the Chicago Tribune endorsed Bush. Now that they are installing the cameras, I guess it makes sense.
2004-10-18 01:41:59 AM  
OMG! In like 2000, I became passionate about the Green Party and then after elections I forgot about it. Now there are 2 viable and very different canidates... A liberal and a conservative. I'm going to whine and biatch about how neither of them are perfect. I'm then going to tell everyone I'm a libertarian because I went to that Badnarik site and went "Yep... that sounds cool" "Yep... that sounds cool" "Yep... that sounds cool" on the issues page.

In 2008, I'm going to biatch moan that there isn't a 4th party canidate and claim Libertarism is sooooo mainstream and corrupt now. I will then proceed to vote for the most obscure president.
2004-10-18 01:43:38 AM  
2004-10-18 01:43:50 AM  
Ok, they both suck, but everyone should vote damnit. If neither wins an electoral majority this thing will go to the House and Senate, and who knows how those will be after the election. I'll take Bush over Kerry anyday, but I'd rather see Kerry or Bush win big this election than go through 2000 again.
2004-10-18 01:43:51 AM  
No Confidance. Unfortunately, politics keep that off of the ballot when that should be an option in every state.
2004-10-18 01:43:59 AM  
Can someone explain to me why so many Republicans want to make complicated issues like Iraq so black and white? Especially when they say "We're not sure what Kerry thinks. He supported the war in Iraq, then opposed adequately funding the troops. His plan to secure the peace in Iraq is to cozy up to European countries that don't have our interests at heart," the editorial said." Those are nothing but RNC talking points and those were repeated in the local paper here both in their endorsement of Bush but also in every letter to the editor that hates Kerry. If I didn't know any better going on the letters and other writings I would think the RNC and its supporters only know how to say a few things and don't mind making things so ridiculously easy that it knocks out any real understanding of issues. Just repeat repeat repeat and some how people eat it up.

/confused and looking for conservative and liberals with ideas and not talking points to take a lead in politics.
2004-10-18 01:44:05 AM  
A lot of people down here (Florida) are also pissed because of the Hurricane issue not being discussed. Its increasingly obvious that unless you are down here, you have no idea what is going on or how bad it really is. FEMA just marked $24 billion in aid - that amount approaches 20% of what was allocated for Iraq (which was $130 billion) yet its a non issue. The rising gas prices are due in part to facilities in the gulf taking damage from the storms, as well as processing facilities in the gulf states and the East coast of Florida. There really are tens of thousands of people homeless here. There are tens of thousands of people down here without work, directly related to the storms, and our infrastructure in some areas has been devastated.

The state is passing out emergency disaster food coupons to just about anyone, as just about anyone qualifies (its based on family size more than income). Canada has sent power crews, many of them (and them being a country of 25 million people - same population as the state - the number of people they sent is most sincerely appreciated as it puts a strain on their resources) so this is an international reconstruction effort. But its like above Georgia, no one knows whats going on down here. I talk to people around here in Orange, out in Polk and Lake (Lake and Polk are still partially under water from flooding BTW and those are inland counties) and no one knows.

Its farking annoying. I mean it is goddamn annoying that the farking media has an opportunity to get us help, spread awareness of the rebuilding effort in Florida, and they farking ignore it.

So hey, its about up to, fark Iraq, fark the World Trade Center, fark Kerry and fark Bush. Because if no one gives enough of a shiat to send help, or at the very farking least make public the devastation down here, then fark the whole load.

And in that respect, I hope we fark the election up on purpose down here and send our electoral votes for Mickey goddamn mouse for all the good it will do us in the end.
2004-10-18 01:44:11 AM  
Why settle for George W. Kerry ...

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... when you can have a genuine small-government candidate like Michael Badnarik?
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2004-10-18 01:44:31 AM  
I'm voting for bush. I expect more funny soundbites.
2004-10-18 01:48:05 AM  

I just think it speaks volumes that so many Republicans are turning away from Bush. I know several. They don't have to vote for Kerry, they can just stay home on election day.

You just described my Republican girlfriend. She won't vote for Kerry, but can't bring herself to vote for Bush again either. I've tried to persuade her to vote for a 3rd party as a way of solving this dilemma, but she doesn't want to vote for a 3rd party she doesn't agree with simply as a protest vote. She wants to vote for a Republican, but Bush simply isn't a real Republican, so she's sitting this one out.
2004-10-18 01:49:10 AM  
I once found a presidential candidate in the dumpster behind Cracker Barrel.

No kidding. True story.
2004-10-18 02:00:49 AM  
Yah they both suck. Bad representatives for each. Guess you vote for the lesser of two evils, and it will be a close one again this year, with prob. tons of protesting afterward for whoever wins.

I hate the two party system. I'd like a 3rd party to be able to run and debate and all. Unfortunately, there's too many wacko ideas these 3rd party candidates have that in my mind don't make them credible enough to president.

Thank goodness that in 2 more weeks all this shiat will be over with. It gives me a headache...
2004-10-18 02:00:55 AM  
Badnarik... sigh... all well and good until you get to the part about legalizing crack and ak-47s. politics on paper, meet the real world. ernt. next.
2004-10-18 02:01:15 AM  
Anybody else find it incredibly creepy that news outlets actually admit to being partisan? I mean hell, everyone else knows it, but I thought they were just ignorant of their own bias. Turns out they're proud of it... Maybe this is just because I'm Canadian. Sorry everyone...
2004-10-18 02:03:54 AM  
"We're not sure what Kerry thinks. He supported the war in Iraq, then opposed adequately funding the troops."

What's truely frightning is that a *newspaper*, who has access to *facts*, makes no attempt to spend five minutes and find out that this statement simply isn't true.....

Unless you go by the republican school of thought which is, if you say it enough times, it *must* be true......and not even a newspaper will fact check you....

Since when did ideology become so divorced from reality......or has it always been this way?
2004-10-18 02:05:41 AM  
It's not the "rest of the country" who are throwing up their hands and refusing to endorse a candidate. It's conservatives who are too proud to admit they made a mistake (Tampa Tribune has endorsed every Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower.) Everyone else is voting for Kerry.
2004-10-18 02:06:16 AM  
2004-10-18 02:08:10 AM  
I thought there would be a lot more obnoxious lefties in here bragging about this. I guess they are all asleep.

/hopes the Republican panhandle has a strong turnout
2004-10-18 02:08:15 AM  
"President Bush told us that he was 'a uniter, not a divider,' but shortly after taking office, his administration took a sharp right turn that has divided this country," the editorial said. The newspaper said it was "deeply disappointed" with Bush on federal spending, the budget deficit and the recession.

I fail to see how spending crazy-money and sailing through the first term without vetoing a single spending bill is a "sharp right turn".

I'm absolutely terrified that if Bush isn't re-elected, in future years people will look back and say it was because he was "too conservative" -- translating that, in turn, to some whacked-out idea that he didn't spend enough money. Call me looney tunes, it could happen. It's very likely to happen. Say hello to three trillion dollar federal budgets.

"This is a presidency in deep trouble, made worse by the refusal to acknowledge the trouble," the Journal wrote.

There's this guy at work who made an interesting point about this prevailing sentiment. He said it was womanly. He did not mean it in a kind way.

What's this business about acknowledging trouble? You buy a cheaper brand of charcoal for the barbeque, it doesn't work, you drive back and get some Kingsford and the problem is solved but you don't acknoweldge that you screwed up the first time -- what really is the problem there?

Compared with, you put on way too much fluid and end up burning down the house. And then you say "Aw gee that was wrong of me I'm sorry." That's somehow a better situation?

Womanly. The co-worker's words, not mine. Gonna have to 'fess up, though, he's got a point. Acknowledging mistakes is a fad; a seventies/hippy new-age thing; terribly overrated. Seriously, get a clue.

Mike, if you're reading this, thanks for the inspiration. Stop FARKing and get back to resetting those passwords. :)
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