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2021-08-26 9:02:20 AM  
It was alright episode although I kinda wanted hanks motives to been fleshed out . Also thought Billy west was playing hank pim.
 
2021-08-26 9:38:02 AM  
No, it wasn't. You just had to think. Ohhh, I know the author's problem now.
 
2021-08-26 9:38:53 AM  
Gizmodo is edge-lordy. Clark Gregg back as Coulson was great and they completely glossed over that in favor of some edgy negative commentary.
 
2021-08-26 9:39:34 AM  

alechemist: It was alright episode although I kinda wanted hanks motives to been fleshed out . Also thought Billy west was playing hank pim.


Motives?  SHIELD caused both his wife and his daughter to die. Seems like a decent enough motive to me.
 
2021-08-26 9:39:54 AM  
They are all boring.  CGI is lame.
 
2021-08-26 10:00:10 AM  
After Agent Carter I expected that tone from most of them, tweaks from the movies. The Starlord one gave me hopes that it branches out substantially. It's getting a second season, so I hope to see more that wildly deviate from the films.
 
2021-08-26 10:02:04 AM  
I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"
 
2021-08-26 10:12:07 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"


Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.
 
2021-08-26 10:14:53 AM  

Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.


The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.
 
2021-08-26 10:16:06 AM  

CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.


You are boring and lame. Yawn.
 
2021-08-26 10:24:44 AM  

CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.


It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.
 
2021-08-26 10:31:05 AM  

jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.



Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?
 
2021-08-26 10:32:54 AM  

NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.


I really only hate this from the Daredevil point of view. I really liked what they did with that show, and season 1 of Jessica Jones. Luke Cage was okay, but I feel like it never really found it's found it's footing. Iron Fist was just awful.

But you give me more Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin and I will eat it up.
 
2021-08-26 10:33:03 AM  

Embden.Meyerhof: jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?


It's not rotoscope. It's digital animation, but it's not based on live action like A Scanner Darkly.
 
2021-08-26 10:33:24 AM  
I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.
 
2021-08-26 10:35:32 AM  

Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.


Only one shift: Hope joined SHIELD.

Even in the movies, it was always assumed Janet was dead (or at least unrecoverable).  Hope doing missions lead to her being killed, which was the final straw for Hank to fully snap.
 
2021-08-26 10:36:12 AM  

Embden.Meyerhof: jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?


Not true rotoscope, thankfully. It's a lot softer and easier on the eyes than that. Thankfully, because most rotoscope animation gives me headaches. Same reason that I could not watch all of the 'Into the Spider-verse' movie in one sitting, I had to split it up into the main acts to see all of it, and even then it was tough for me.
 
2021-08-26 10:40:47 AM  

NeoCortex42: Embden.Meyerhof: jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?

It's not rotoscope. It's digital animation, but it's not based on live action like A Scanner Darkly.



That's what I meant, not KKBB.  Thanks
 
2021-08-26 10:42:45 AM  

Aezetyr: Embden.Meyerhof: jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?

Not true rotoscope, thankfully. It's a lot softer and easier on the eyes than that. Thankfully, because most rotoscope animation gives me headaches. Same reason that I could not watch all of the 'Into the Spider-verse' movie in one sitting, I had to split it up into the main acts to see all of it, and even then it was tough for me.


Into the Spiderverse wasn't rotoscope, either.  What throws me off on that film's look (although I do love the movie) is the framerate of it.  It's just off from standard animation, which took me a bit of work to get over at the start of the film.
 
2021-08-26 10:56:44 AM  
I guess we'll have to cross that bridge if we ever come to it, won't we subby?
 
2021-08-26 11:06:08 AM  

NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: Embden.Meyerhof: jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?

Not true rotoscope, thankfully. It's a lot softer and easier on the eyes than that. Thankfully, because most rotoscope animation gives me headaches. Same reason that I could not watch all of the 'Into the Spider-verse' movie in one sitting, I had to split it up into the main acts to see all of it, and even then it was tough for me.

Into the Spiderverse wasn't rotoscope, either.  What throws me off on that film's look (although I do love the movie) is the framerate of it.  It's just off from standard animation, which took me a bit of work to get over at the start of the film.


Yah, I know it wasn't; I do agree that the framerates are off from standard animation. I think it was also the melding of so many different styles that just didn't work well with my brain. Still a fun story though.
 
2021-08-26 11:16:50 AM  

Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.


Hope becoming a Shield Agent is the only change here necessary. MCU Hank is Classic Hank, attitude wise. And he would be under the impression Janet IS dead because Scott never would have gone to the Quantum Realm. So he snaps because Shield took all his family.
 
2021-08-26 11:17:49 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.

I really only hate this from the Daredevil point of view. I really liked what they did with that show, and season 1 of Jessica Jones. Luke Cage was okay, but I feel like it never really found it's found it's footing. Iron Fist was just awful.

But you give me more Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin and I will eat it up.


Luke Cage's problem was killing its best villain halfway through the first season. How the fark are you gonna waste Mahershala Ali like that?
 
2021-08-26 11:17:53 AM  

NeoCortex42: Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.

Only one shift: Hope joined SHIELD.

Even in the movies, it was always assumed Janet was dead (or at least unrecoverable).  Hope doing missions lead to her being killed, which was the final straw for Hank to fully snap.


Yes this thing that got said before i saw it. Ha
 
2021-08-26 11:35:27 AM  

xalres: AnotherBluesStringer: NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.

I really only hate this from the Daredevil point of view. I really liked what they did with that show, and season 1 of Jessica Jones. Luke Cage was okay, but I feel like it never really found it's found it's footing. Iron Fist was just awful.

But you give me more Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin and I will eat it up.

Luke Cage's problem was killing its best villain halfway through the first season. How the fark are you gonna waste Mahershala Ali like that?


Every Netflix show suffered from have 2-3 too many episodes and 10-15 too many minutes each episode.  Sometimes less content is better.  As it was, the pacing of most of the Netflix shows were a complete slog.  I thought the majority of the casting was brilliant, and even the stories were good overall, but the pacing just killed my interest in watching.
 
2021-08-26 11:48:01 AM  

jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


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I hope someone got fired for those blunders
 
2021-08-26 12:04:15 PM  

jmswentzel: Hope becoming a Shield Agent is the only change here necessary. MCU Hank is Classic Hank, attitude wise. And he would be under the impression Janet IS dead because Scott never would have gone to the Quantum Realm. So he snaps because Shield took all his family.


I'd disagree.

Hank/Janet weren't SHIELD in the original comics- they were Avengers, with the original group before Widow/Hawkeye/Cap showed up in the late 60s. The comics have always been pretty clear that SHIELD and the Avengers are not one and the same- the Avengers continue after SHIELD collapses, for example.

The biggest problem I have with that episode is how fast the wrap-up was. We go from "Hank gets captured and handed over to Loki" to "Loki is now ruler of Earth" in one day.
 
2021-08-26 12:05:23 PM  

xalres: AnotherBluesStringer: NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.

I really only hate this from the Daredevil point of view. I really liked what they did with that show, and season 1 of Jessica Jones. Luke Cage was okay, but I feel like it never really found it's found it's footing. Iron Fist was just awful.

But you give me more Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin and I will eat it up.

Luke Cage's problem was killing its best villain halfway through the first season. How the fark are you gonna waste Mahershala Ali like that?


Completely agree. I also thing that because they cast him in the new Blade, they'll really stick to their guns about distancing themselves from the Netflix series. 

Also, apparently there's nothing you can do to make Theo Rossi interesting. Easily the weakest part of the cast as both an actor and character.

The show should have been good, as the rest of the cast was stacked, but the writers just couldn't commit to a narrative.
 
2021-08-26 12:06:14 PM  

CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.


You're boring and lame.
 
2021-08-26 12:08:38 PM  

Sword and Shield: jmswentzel: Hope becoming a Shield Agent is the only change here necessary. MCU Hank is Classic Hank, attitude wise. And he would be under the impression Janet IS dead because Scott never would have gone to the Quantum Realm. So he snaps because Shield took all his family.

I'd disagree.

Hank/Janet weren't SHIELD in the original comics- they were Avengers, with the original group before Widow/Hawkeye/Cap showed up in the late 60s. The comics have always been pretty clear that SHIELD and the Avengers are not one and the same- the Avengers continue after SHIELD collapses, for example.

The biggest problem I have with that episode is how fast the wrap-up was. We go from "Hank gets captured and handed over to Loki" to "Loki is now ruler of Earth" in one day.


The MCU isn't the comics. In the MCU, the Avengers weren't a thing until Fury put them together. Hank and Janet were with SHIELD.
 
2021-08-26 12:15:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.


I thought Agent Carter was made by the film people unlike Agents of Shield?

Also I would wager the problem for the Netflix shows is less a rights issue and more a "why would we promote the other guy's content rather than our own"? Kind of like how on a broader scale Marvel tried to de-emphasize mutants and promote the Inhumans when Fox had the film rights.
 
2021-08-26 12:18:42 PM  

dywed88: NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.

I thought Agent Carter was made by the film people unlike Agents of Shield?

Also I would wager the problem for the Netflix shows is less a rights issue and more a "why would we promote the other guy's content rather than our own"? Kind of like how on a broader scale Marvel tried to de-emphasize mutants and promote the Inhumans when Fox had the film rights.


Carter was by the same group as AoS and The Inhumans.

The Netflix licensing deal prevented Disney from using the Netflix version of the characters for a couple of years.

https://screenrant.com/daredevil-marv​e​l-studios-rights-regain-netflix-when/
 
2021-08-26 12:24:13 PM  
I'll give this episode a final chance. But I don't have much hope.

The first two episodes I just found boring (couldn't even bother finishing episode two).

Plus I am not a fan of the animation style so it would have to really pull me in to get me to continue watching, alright won't cut it.
 
2021-08-26 12:26:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.

Only one shift: Hope joined SHIELD.

Even in the movies, it was always assumed Janet was dead (or at least unrecoverable).  Hope doing missions lead to her being killed, which was the final straw for Hank to fully snap.


Exactly.  And why would Fury know Janet wasn't dead but instead of 'irretrievably' shrunken when Hank didn't even tell SHIELD in the actual MCU?

Also, I saw somebody do the math based on Widow's commentary on when Hope died and it seems the Winter Soldier killed her in Budapesht.
 
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2021-08-26 12:32:48 PM  

Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.


I really wish Agent Carter was a Disney+ show that ultimately ends with the last scene in Endgame.
 
2021-08-26 1:01:10 PM  

Sword and Shield: jmswentzel: Hope becoming a Shield Agent is the only change here necessary. MCU Hank is Classic Hank, attitude wise. And he would be under the impression Janet IS dead because Scott never would have gone to the Quantum Realm. So he snaps because Shield took all his family.

I'd disagree.

Hank/Janet weren't SHIELD in the original comics- they were Avengers, with the original group before Widow/Hawkeye/Cap showed up in the late 60s. The comics have always been pretty clear that SHIELD and the Avengers are not one and the same- the Avengers continue after SHIELD collapses, for example.

The biggest problem I have with that episode is how fast the wrap-up was. We go from "Hank gets captured and handed over to Loki" to "Loki is now ruler of Earth" in one day.


That's par for what if comics. Big set up of premise, the resolution "and anyway then the time line reasserted itself but Aunt May was dead instead of Uncle Ben. Also Mysterio is now President.
 
2021-08-26 1:37:25 PM  
How Fury manages to fend Pym off when none of the Avengers were able to isn't exactly clear.


because it wasn't fury as the episode makes incredibly clear less than 30 seconds later, dipshiat who didn't even watch the farking episode.
 
2021-08-26 2:07:22 PM  

replacementcool: How Fury manages to fend Pym off when none of the Avengers were able to isn't exactly clear.


because it wasn't fury as the episode makes incredibly clear less than 30 seconds later, dipshiat who didn't even watch the farking episode.


Glad someone else noticed this.  Puny Ant-man.
 
2021-08-26 2:15:08 PM  

Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.


Only shift needed in Ep 3 is Hope joining SHIELD.

As far as Hank knew, Janet was as good as dead. Seeing his only child follow suit (so to speak) would easily push him over the edge
 
2021-08-26 2:20:06 PM  

Ghost Roach: Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.

Only shift needed in Ep 3 is Hope joining SHIELD.

As far as Hank knew, Janet was as good as dead. Seeing his only child follow suit (so to speak) would easily push him over the edge


the only way he finds out Janet is still alive is by hiring Scott to steal the suit, but he has everything he needs in this timeline, so no need to steal it.
 
2021-08-26 2:28:23 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: AnotherBluesStringer: I would like an episode of "What If...We Stopped Pretending The Netflix Shows Didn't Happen?"

Based on what's happened with the Netflix shows, AoS, Agent Cater, and the others, I wouldn't be surprised that it's some bullshiat licensing or Feige vs. Perlmutter issues that are getting in the way of those shows being recognized more.

The Feige/Perlmutter thing is the explanation for AoS and Agent Carter, although they've nodded to the TV series with casting Jarvis in Endgame.

Netflix had contractual clauses that shut out their use for so many years.  I think that's clear now, though.  There's rumors (take with a huge grain of salt) that Matt Murdock could show up in Spider-Man.  Although I think at best, we'll get the actors/characters, but not necessarily the canon from the Netflix shows.

I really only hate this from the Daredevil point of view. I really liked what they did with that show, and season 1 of Jessica Jones. Luke Cage was okay, but I feel like it never really found it's found it's footing. Iron Fist was just awful.

But you give me more Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin and I will eat it up.


Something I read recently (and it may be outdated already) is that Matt Murdock will be Spider-Man's lawyer (so probably no Daredevil) and Vincent D'Onofrio is slated to come back as Kingpin in some future movie.
 
2021-08-26 2:33:34 PM  

replacementcool: Ghost Roach: Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.

Only shift needed in Ep 3 is Hope joining SHIELD.

As far as Hank knew, Janet was as good as dead. Seeing his only child follow suit (so to speak) would easily push him over the edge

the only way he finds out Janet is still alive is by hiring Scott to steal the suit, but he has everything he needs in this timeline, so no need to steal it.


Scott stole it from Hank. Hank had everything he needed. He just gave up on Janet until Scott caught a glimpse.
 
2021-08-26 2:38:06 PM  

NeoCortex42: alechemist: It was alright episode although I kinda wanted hanks motives to been fleshed out . Also thought Billy west was playing hank pim.

Motives?  SHIELD caused both his wife and his daughter to die. Seems like a decent enough motive to me.


The theory is that pierce (Robert Redfords' hydra character) secretly had her killed using the winter soldier knowing Pym would snap and stop the avengers from forming & thus possibly exposing Hydra.

Making a part two that exposed this would have made it an excellent program instead of a curiosity which is what Ive found all these episodes so far.
 
2021-08-26 3:04:37 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: NeoCortex42: alechemist: It was alright episode although I kinda wanted hanks motives to been fleshed out . Also thought Billy west was playing hank pim.

Motives?  SHIELD caused both his wife and his daughter to die. Seems like a decent enough motive to me.

The theory is that pierce (Robert Redfords' hydra character) secretly had her killed using the winter soldier knowing Pym would snap and stop the avengers from forming & thus possibly exposing Hydra.

Making a part two that exposed this would have made it an excellent program instead of a curiosity which is what Ive found all these episodes so far.


I don't buy that.  It makes no sense unless Pierce is a time traveler that knows how things turn out.  And if he wanted to stop the Avengers Initiative, all he had to do was not permit it.  He was the head of SHIELD.
 
2021-08-26 3:17:59 PM  
Yeah, Pierce wouldn't have wanted an absence of Avengers; he would have wanted them working for him/HYDRA.
 
2021-08-26 3:48:43 PM  

Aezetyr: NeoCortex42: Aezetyr: Embden.Meyerhof: jmswentzel: CoonAce: They are all boring.  CGI is lame.

It isn't CGI. It's just a form of Animation you don't like or aren't privy to.

This Author is also a nimrod. Every point they say wasn't explained or didn't make sense, was, and did.


Looks a bit like Rotoscope (Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang - style).   Is it?

Not true rotoscope, thankfully. It's a lot softer and easier on the eyes than that. Thankfully, because most rotoscope animation gives me headaches. Same reason that I could not watch all of the 'Into the Spider-verse' movie in one sitting, I had to split it up into the main acts to see all of it, and even then it was tough for me.

Into the Spiderverse wasn't rotoscope, either.  What throws me off on that film's look (although I do love the movie) is the framerate of it.  It's just off from standard animation, which took me a bit of work to get over at the start of the film.

Yah, I know it wasn't; I do agree that the framerates are off from standard animation. I think it was also the melding of so many different styles that just didn't work well with my brain. Still a fun story though.


So... actually it wasn't "off" it was intentionally shifted. OG Peter Parker got dead on traditional animation timing (24 frames per second), while new Miles Morales started off with 12 fps and as he got used to his powers, progressed to higher framerate and smoother animations.

It was an awesome cinematic representation of their abilities and control in a format that added heavily to the subconscious experience for a lot of folks.

I can see how it might be jarring if you noticed it happening, but didn't notice when and then understand what it meant.
 
2021-08-26 3:53:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: replacementcool: Ghost Roach: Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.

Only shift needed in Ep 3 is Hope joining SHIELD.

As far as Hank knew, Janet was as good as dead. Seeing his only child follow suit (so to speak) would easily push him over the edge

the only way he finds out Janet is still alive is by hiring Scott to steal the suit, but he has everything he needs in this timeline, so no need to steal it.

Scott stole it from Hank. Hank had everything he needed. He just gave up on Janet until Scott caught a glimpse.


But Hank had no reason to even consider the possibility until after Scott came back from the Quantum Realm because as far as he was concerned there was no way back.

So, as far as Hank was concerned, she was dead and there was nothing more to it.
 
2021-08-26 4:01:10 PM  

dywed88: NeoCortex42: replacementcool: Ghost Roach: Sword and Shield: I'd say last night's was the weakest of the three, and really there's a simple reason why.

All of reality turns on a tiny choice.

Agent Carter chooses to watch from the ground level rather than the peanut gallery, and now she's placed to become Captain Carter.

Kraglin grabs the wrong Terran, so now T'Challa is lined up as the new Star Lord rather than Quill.

Two tiny shifts.

This one would require a lot more than one.

We'd have Hank Pym more like classic Hank, Janet van Dyne dead rather than in the Quantum Realm, and Hope van Dyne a SHIELD agent and dead.

Too many shifts.

Only shift needed in Ep 3 is Hope joining SHIELD.

As far as Hank knew, Janet was as good as dead. Seeing his only child follow suit (so to speak) would easily push him over the edge

the only way he finds out Janet is still alive is by hiring Scott to steal the suit, but he has everything he needs in this timeline, so no need to steal it.

Scott stole it from Hank. Hank had everything he needed. He just gave up on Janet until Scott caught a glimpse.

But Hank had no reason to even consider the possibility until after Scott came back from the Quantum Realm because as far as he was concerned there was no way back.

So, as far as Hank was concerned, she was dead and there was nothing more to it.


Right. My point was that Scott stealing it wasn't giving Hank any resources he didn't already have. It was always in his possession.
 
2021-08-26 4:15:52 PM  
NeoCortex42:

It makes no sense unless Pierce is a time traveler that knows how things turn out.

No, but he might have had Zola's proto-Project Insight targets.
 
2021-08-26 4:25:30 PM  

Weird Hal: NeoCortex42:

It makes no sense unless Pierce is a time traveler that knows how things turn out.

No, but he might have had Zola's proto-Project Insight targets.


If he did, he could have just used his position as head of SHIELD to move around or eliminate whatever he needed.  He could have easily stopped Fury from recruiting someone like Tony Stark and he could have ordered Hulk's destruction as a major threat, for instance.  He didn't need to be several steps removed to hope that the dominos would fall the right way for things to happen like that.
 
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