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(Onion AV Club)   Matrix 4: The Quickening has an official title and release date   (avclub.com) divider line
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2021-08-25 12:04:55 PM  
Opening shot: Reeves walks over to a router and cable modem. 

Reeves turns both off. Waits 15 seconds. 

Reeves turns both on. Green lights slowly turn blue. 

Credits.
 
2021-08-25 12:05:42 PM  
I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.
 
2021-08-25 12:06:32 PM  
How come they skipped Matrix 2 and 3 in their naming convention?
 
2021-08-25 12:14:07 PM  

Gubbo: How come they skipped Matrix 2 and 3 in their naming convention?


that test footage of Morpheus with a sword on top of a truck was cool though. Shame it got canned.
 
2021-08-25 12:18:13 PM  
In this one they find out *everything* is The Matrix and it is all contained in this:

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2021-08-25 12:21:14 PM  
Were they breeding new actors for this?
 
2021-08-25 12:22:54 PM  
"Beating it? No, man - I'm gonna fark that dead horse."
 
2021-08-25 12:22:58 PM  
I think I found footage of that scene with NPH and Keanu


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2021-08-25 12:23:45 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.


The first movie was phenomenal.

The next two were farking disasters. Animatrix was pretty damned good. I haven't seen Enter the Matrix yet.

I have no hope for this one.
 
2021-08-25 12:28:34 PM  
Ohhhh this is going to be bad.

The one thing I really loved about the original Matrix was its central metaphor; this idea that who you are in "real life" and who you are online may be very different people. And in many ways, this online you can be more real than the version of yourself that goes to work and pays bills.  That really spoke to me as a kid who was finding their online-self a lot more easily than their meat-space-self at the time.

(I know Wachowski has said she now thinks of the Matrix as a trans metaphor, although she admits that she wasn't really conscious of it at the time.  She's the creator and she can think what she wants.  But what shows up on screen hints only obliquely at transitioning, but it absolutely hammers you in the face with the e-space/meat-space dichotomy).

And then the second and third movies are just post-apocalyptic superhero action flicks.

I was holding out hope that the revival of the series would go back to its roots, and find a really compelling message that takes advantage of the myriad ways the digital age has evolved since the first movie came out.  Nope:

In an interview with The One Show, Reeves described the film as a "love story."  "We have a wonderful director, Lana Wachowski, and she has written a beautiful script that is a love story," Reeves said. "It's inspiring. It's another version of a kind of, call to wake up. It entertains... It has some great action. All will be revealed."

It's just going to be bullshiat.
 
2021-08-25 12:35:58 PM  
First one was great because of where it could have gone.  2 & 3 were terrible because it didn't go where it should have.  Looking forward to 4 about as much as the Nth Shrek.  So, yes.  Not at all.
 
2021-08-25 12:49:53 PM  

UberDave: In this one they find out *everything* is The Matrix and it is all contained in this:

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A well deserved funny.
 
2021-08-25 12:52:01 PM  
It's going to be the lamest reheated meatloaf of a movie smothered in plot-revisionist woke sauce. I'll catch on a hungover afternoon several years from now on TBS. Maybe.
 
2021-08-25 12:55:14 PM  
I never liked The Matrix, and I think, reading this thread, I get why.  I'm not a gamer.  I have not spent any time at all on shoot-em-ups.  I don't have another online identity.  I just don't lie/want to live in this type of world.
 
2021-08-25 12:58:37 PM  

FormlessOne: NeoCortex42: I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.

The first movie was phenomenal.

The next two were farking disasters. Animatrix was pretty damned good. I haven't seen Enter the Matrix yet.

I have no hope for this one.


I think the second one unfairly gets lumped in with the third. Of course it wasn't as good as the original. It was a bit convoluted but had some interesting things going for it. But the third one was terrible and brought down the whole franchise with it.

That said, the first one stands on its own as a complete story.
 
2021-08-25 1:05:48 PM  

FormlessOne: NeoCortex42: I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.

The first movie was phenomenal.

The next two were farking disasters. Animatrix was pretty damned good. I haven't seen Enter the Matrix yet.

I have no hope for this one.


Enter The Matrix was the video game that worked as a side story to the second movie. It wasn't anything amazing as a game, but it worked well enough in expanding the story.
 
2021-08-25 1:11:30 PM  

Subtonic: It's going to be the lamest reheated meatloaf of a movie smothered in plot-revisionist woke sauce. I'll catch on a hungover afternoon several years from now on TBS. Maybe.


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2021-08-25 2:03:35 PM  

Lodger: I don't have another online identity.  I just don't lie/want to live in this type of world.


For many people, the "real world" was the lie. They couldn't be themselves whether it was because they were gay, trans, "weird" or whatever. It was their presence online that allowed them to be who they felt they truly were and are.

They were able to find comfort and acceptance online that probably didn't find in Redneckville, Bumfark USA. It allowed them to explore themselves and understand whom they were and are.

So for someone who hasn't faced or dealt with any of that, it would seem that the online world is fake or alien.
 
2021-08-25 2:03:40 PM  
Wow, that is a bad, tired subtitle. I wonder if they tossed around "Requiem" or "Retribution" or "Rising."
 
2021-08-25 2:05:25 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.


Enter the Matrix was the video game right? I remember that being good, but not sure if rose colored glasses or not.
 
2021-08-25 2:05:40 PM  

Lodger: I never liked The Matrix, and I think, reading this thread, I get why.  I'm not a gamer.  I have not spent any time at all on shoot-em-ups.  I don't have another online identity. I just don't lie/want to live in this type of world.


Welcome to fark Lodger.

Subtonic: It's going to be the lamest reheated meatloaf of a movie smothered in plot-revisionist woke sauce. I'll catch on a hungover afternoon several years from now on TBS. Maybe.


You guys are so coooool.

Early screenings of some of this have gotten pretty favorable reviews, so I'm cautiously optimistic. I was a big fan of the whole series, just to a lesser extent with the latter two. I think if you took two and three and combined them, stripped out a couple pointless scenes and you have a really epic movie.
 
2021-08-25 2:10:36 PM  
Unless you're making your sequel off the below quote, I don't know why you're bothering to make a sequel.

'Im going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you
 
2021-08-25 2:54:01 PM  

Subtonic: smothered in plot-revisionist woke sauce


What does this even mean? Why does inclusion frighten you big strong burly he-men? Farking pathetic.
 
2021-08-25 3:28:03 PM  
Another Matrix sequel?

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The first one was great, and the Animatrix was great. The two sequels were... absolute dogshiat. They were both so bad I was mad at myself for sitting through the whole third one since I should have known better by then. Just so bad, and everything they've been putting out since has similarly been absolute garbage. Like Jupiter Ascending - total trash.
 
2021-08-25 4:15:36 PM  
Matrix 4: The Cash Grab?
 
2021-08-25 4:19:54 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Subtonic: smothered in plot-revisionist woke sauce

What does this even mean? Why does inclusion frighten you big strong burly he-men? Farking pathetic.


I find it hilariously ironic that so many weird incels got their "red pill" meme from a movie made by trans siblings. Did they miss that the ultra straight-edge dudes in suits and ties were the villains?
 
2021-08-25 4:33:58 PM  
Yeah, but me in the "please, god, let it die" camp on this one.

Nothing the Wachowskis have done since the Matrix (the first one) has been good good in the sense of actual technical or writing quality, but there have always been at least some redeeming qualities in all of it and it's all at least been reasonably watchable except for the two Matrix sequels.

When none of your stuff is particularly good, keep trying new things until something clicks, don't continue the thread of literally the absolute worst and completely valueless trashfires you ever made.  Go make a sequel to Speed Racer or something, that was at least the fun kind of bad and the cinematography all hung together in a really distinctive style instead of the usual muddy Wachowski bullshiat visual aesthetic.  Or remake Sense8 as a movie, maybe if you're not given like ninety-seven more hours of time to fill than you actually have story to make it'll result in cutting things down to the genuinely interesting core concept or at least removing the one super-annoying entitled self-insert character that ruined every scene she appeared in.

Just... literally anything but the Matrix.  Stop beating it, for the love of god, it's been dead for two farking movies.

// Admittedly Jupiter Ascending was also "all bad with no redeeming qualities or bright spots", I don't want to pretend they're 100% reasonably good at their jobs outside of the Matrix specifically.  Just... usually, y'know?
 
2021-08-25 5:07:41 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Subtonic: smothered in plot-revisionist woke sauce

What does this even mean? Why does inclusion frighten you big strong burly he-men? Farking pathetic.


I mean... you're not wrong, but my question is more... okay, this is a film whose basic premises are:

1. Society is run by a (literally, because this film's metaphors are nooooot subtle) giant machine that functions by stripping people of all their dignity and depriving them of liberty and happiness so that it can feed on them, in a way where it's questionable if the arrangement really profits anyone, even the machine itself, or if it's just victimizing everyone because that's what it was built to do.

2. It keeps humanity from fighting back against how utterly shiatty this "machine" that they all live in is by feeding them a comforting but hollow and in most ways objectively false illusion of middle-class prosperity.

3. Humanity has the potential to draw its strength from a huge variety of powers and capacities and varied viewpoints and life experiences, which would give it enough strength to cast off this machine's yoke entirely if they only realized the nature and depth of their oppression long enough to unite.

4. The first step in breaking the world free of this system is to Get Woke-- casting aside both the illusion of comfort itself and the feeling of hopelessness at realizing how small you individually are and resolving to damned well do something about it.  Which you accomplish in the film by literally waking up, because metaphor, unsubtle, etc.

5. The immediate reaction of the machine that feeds on humanity at the first sign of someone getting woke to the situation is to attempt to violently reject them or outright dispose of them.  The solution to this is for the workers to unite and band together in the cause of seizing the means of production, and treating their differences as a source of strength instead of something that divides them so that they know each other as Comrades.

... this isn't completely the only reading of The Matrix but, like... real talk for a moment, the Wachowskis are farking shiat writers; they don't do layers or ambiguity really at all and their messaging has the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face followed immediately in this case by a sickle.  This is basically the only possible valid reading of this film.  Like... again, they're literally feeding the machine at the beginning, and have to literally get woke and literally seize the machine's resources for their own collective to begin changing things.

This.  Thisis the movie that apparently was politically neutral and is going to be ruined by the "addition" of woke politics.

... okay.  Sure.
 
2021-08-25 5:32:52 PM  

Gubbo: Unless you're making your sequel off the below quote, I don't know why you're bothering to make a sequel.

'Im going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you


Yeah, that's the movie I wanted to see after the first one. They still could have covered most of the same themes except the two sequels would have had a far better plot to follow. If Neo freed lots of people where would he put them? Where would they poop? What about the ones who are too old to unplug? What happens if most of them are like Cypher and would rather live in the dream world and now they all hate Neo?
 
2021-08-25 5:50:23 PM  

Birnone: Gubbo: Unless you're making your sequel off the below quote, I don't know why you're bothering to make a sequel.

'Im going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you

Yeah, that's the movie I wanted to see after the first one. They still could have covered most of the same themes except the two sequels would have had a far better plot to follow. If Neo freed lots of people where would he put them? Where would they poop? What about the ones who are too old to unplug? What happens if most of them are like Cypher and would rather live in the dream world and now they all hate Neo?


What if you've just got the matrix, which is the real world to most everyone, start to behave strangely, start to break down, start to show cracks at the seam

What if you climax all of this with a mass uprising by the people trapped in the matrix and yeah yeah that all sounds jars but spouting nonsense and Kung Fu was easy
 
2021-08-25 5:58:49 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.


Yeah. I like Reeves and saw both sequels, but I don't remember them at all.

I still remember several shorts from Animatrix.
 
2021-08-25 9:16:44 PM  
Sigh. Couldn't they have left Jada Pinkett Smith out of it?
 
2021-08-25 10:12:36 PM  
When I die, I hope I do it like Trinity. Laying there coughing up blood in a long exposition and the EMTs and paramedics just thinking "get on with it already. I got things to do"
 
2021-08-25 11:44:03 PM  
Is Dr. Bashir gonna cure the Teplan blight?
 
2021-08-26 12:17:02 AM  

NeoCortex42: I'll eventually give it a shot out of curiosity. The first movie is still great. I don't think I've rewatched the sequels since they came out.

That time between the first and second movie was fun, though. Trying to expand the story through the Animatrix and Enter The Matrix worked better than any follow-up movie did.


after the 2nd movie, where Neo passes out after controlling the "drones", my friend had a theory that the "real world" was really just another simulation created for all the people who rejected the first one.

I really wish they had gone that route as you then start questioning whether there is a "real world" or if it's all just a veil.

/Zen Buddhism ftw
 
2021-08-26 7:23:59 AM  

MoriartyLives: First one was great because of where it could have gone.  2 & 3 were terrible because it didn't go where it should have.  Looking forward to 4 about as much as the Nth Shrek.  So, yes.  Not at all.


The sequels were terrible because they went nowhere. Literally nowhere. The story could have gone in any direction at all, and they chose "return to the status quo and nothing mattered in the end".

There is no way I can think of that the story can continue when it's already been established that the war against the machines has been fought and lost repeatedly, and that if anything happens differently the humans will just throw up their hands and give up.

Utter bullshiat.

The first movie was brilliant.

And "The Animatrix" had some great ideas - I have been obsessed with the idea of AI forming their own nation and completely destroying the world economy by virtue of being infinitely more productive than any human could ever be.

(The fact that the human race chose suicidal war over an alternative to capitalism, however, is another topic......)
 
2021-08-26 8:29:08 AM  
Matrix reloaded was farking boring
 
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