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2021-08-25 2:11:23 PM  
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2021-08-25 2:14:12 PM  
Throwing in a complimentary vial of Moderna or Pfizer and some syringes to the driver might help alleviate NY's massive anti-vaxxer issue while they're at it.
 
2021-08-25 2:15:08 PM  
Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.
 
2021-08-25 2:15:22 PM  
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2021-08-25 2:16:27 PM  
I have it on good authority that nobody drives in Manhattan anymore - there's too much traffic!
 
2021-08-25 2:23:21 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.


...good? Because that's sort of the point?

It's right there in the name: "CONGESTION pricing" - the whole idea is to limit the amount of cars strangling Manhattan's roads, which people taking PATH-to-subway are already helping with.

// former Lyft driver
// still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown
// I think I made it back through the Holland Tunnel by 6
// the background here is that NJ Lyft drivers couldn't (no idea if this has changed) pick up NYC riders, and also drivers aren't supposed to decline rides based on destination (policy is not to "start" the ride until the passenger gets in, which plenty of drivers ignore specifically to avoid this situation. Damn you, scruples!)
 
2021-08-25 2:23:45 PM  

eKonk: I have it on good authority that nobody drives in Manhattan anymore - there's too much traffic!


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2021-08-25 2:24:26 PM  
The Park-N-Ride lots will be a buffet for smash and grab.
 
2021-08-25 2:25:03 PM  
We were planning a family vacation to Lower Manhattan, but because of this we will spend our dollars in Branson instead.  You have only yourselves to blame, libs.
 
2021-08-25 2:26:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown


Hoboken?

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2021-08-25 2:29:49 PM  
Like the subway lines going in and out of Manhattan aren't packed like sardine cans anyway. Pandemic's over, I guess.
 
2021-08-25 2:30:16 PM  

Dr Dreidel: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.

...good? Because that's sort of the point?

It's right there in the name: "CONGESTION pricing" - the whole idea is to limit the amount of cars strangling Manhattan's roads, which people taking PATH-to-subway are already helping with.

// former Lyft driver
// still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown
// I think I made it back through the Holland Tunnel by 6
// the background here is that NJ Lyft drivers couldn't (no idea if this has changed) pick up NYC riders, and also drivers aren't supposed to decline rides based on destination (policy is not to "start" the ride until the passenger gets in, which plenty of drivers ignore specifically to avoid this situation. Damn you, scruples!)


Wait, someone paid an Uber for the same trip that would have taken less time and a single transfer to go PATH to MTA? EL OH EL. Morons.
 
2021-08-25 2:36:02 PM  
two questions...

1) How is this different than the already steep prices charged on bridges and tunnels? Not seeing it covered in "article"

2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.
 
2021-08-25 2:36:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown


Was that genius brain-damaged?!

Rapmaster2000: We were planning a family vacation to Lower Manhattan, but because of this we will spend our dollars in Branson instead.  You have only yourselves to blame, libs.


Enjoy the free COVID~!
 
2021-08-25 2:37:56 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Dr Dreidel: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.

...good? Because that's sort of the point?

It's right there in the name: "CONGESTION pricing" - the whole idea is to limit the amount of cars strangling Manhattan's roads, which people taking PATH-to-subway are already helping with.

// former Lyft driver
// still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown
// I think I made it back through the Holland Tunnel by 6
// the background here is that NJ Lyft drivers couldn't (no idea if this has changed) pick up NYC riders, and also drivers aren't supposed to decline rides based on destination (policy is not to "start" the ride until the passenger gets in, which plenty of drivers ignore specifically to avoid this situation. Damn you, scruples!)

Wait, someone paid an Uber for the same trip that would have taken less time and a single transfer to go PATH to MTA? EL OH EL. Morons.


Hell, you could go Hoboken to Christopher Street (IIRC) and walk down to Chinatown.
 
2021-08-25 2:38:30 PM  
 
2021-08-25 2:40:39 PM  

Rwa2play: Dr Dreidel: still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown

Was that genius brain-damaged?!


I may be misremembering and we went from a bit further afield (Teaneck? The Palisades?), but however you slice it - IF YOU'RE GOING TO MANHATTAN YOU TAKE THE FARKING PATH, YOU GODDAMN TOURIST FARKS.
 
2021-08-25 2:40:56 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: two questions...

1) How is this different than the already steep prices charged on bridges and tunnels? Not seeing it covered in "article"


Steep? Really?  I'll take steep pricing over Manhattan looking like the freeways in LA every day.

2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.

Sooooooooooooo you'll lose money because "comfort" instead of taking Metro-North, NJ Transit or PATH?

I mean, unless you drive a truck for business; then, yeah you are stuck.
 
2021-08-25 2:41:34 PM  

Geotpf: Even Los Angeles is considering this:

https://laist.com/news/here-are-the-pl​aces-la-metro-is-exploring-to-launch-c​ongestion-pricing


LA should've had that in the 90s, 80s even.
 
2021-08-25 2:42:33 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Rwa2play: Dr Dreidel: still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown

Was that genius brain-damaged?!

I may be misremembering and we went from a bit further afield (Teaneck? The Palisades?), but however you slice it - IF YOU'RE GOING TO MANHATTAN YOU TAKE THE FARKING PATH, YOU GODDAMN TOURIST FARKS.


Or NJ Transit ferchrissakes~!  I mean Trenton to Penn $16 one way ain't too terrible.
 
2021-08-25 2:44:38 PM  
Hard to believe that people who already paying the expense and deal with the headache of driving in Manhattan are going to switch to public transportation because of this fee.

The better way to reduce congestions is to eliminate on-street parking and stop letting people to build new parking lots (including in residential towers) - if people cannot park so easily, then they'll be hesitant to drive into the city. (When I lived in Manhattan, I briefly had a car - I sold it after I moved to the city. It was so easy to find parking, especially on the weekend, that it does encourage car ownership).
 
2021-08-25 2:44:55 PM  
It was finally happening! Except it still needed some federal approvals and Donald Trump was president at the time. Donald Trump, you'll recall, was a bad president, and the approvals never came, and then the pandemic happened and we all had bigger things to worry about and also Donald Trump and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo couldn't get along.

If congestion pricing was a Manhattan parking space:

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2021-08-25 2:46:36 PM  

thornhill: Hard to believe that people who already paying the expense and deal with the headache of driving in Manhattan are going to switch to public transportation because of this fee.

The better way to reduce congestions is to eliminate on-street parking and stop letting people to build new parking lots (including in residential towers) - if people cannot park so easily, then they'll be hesitant to drive into the city. (When I lived in Manhattan, I briefly had a car - I sold it after I moved to the city. It was so easy to find parking, especially on the weekend, that it does encourage car ownership).


Which is why this option is being exercised because everybody decided to continue building residential towers all around the city.
 
2021-08-25 2:48:52 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.


That's great news, the policy is already working!
 
2021-08-25 2:53:02 PM  
I've read Julius Caesar banned chariots from the streets of Rome during daylight hours, to help relieve congestion.
 
2021-08-25 2:53:39 PM  
A car in Manhattan is so much of a liability. Unless you're moving a dresser from Ridgefield Park to an NYU dorm, just take the train. Ignore the FAUX news reports about how bad the homeless situation is because DiBlasio doesn't suck cop cock. It's like it always was.
 
2021-08-25 2:54:59 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: two questions...

1) How is this different than the already steep prices charged on bridges and tunnels? Not seeing it covered in "article"


The Brooklyn, Manhattan, Williamsburg, and Queensboro bridges don't have tolls. 

2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.

As I said in my post above, I agree that the people already driving in probably aren't going to think twice about paying even more. Especially folks coming in for a night on the town.

But thinking about it more, the one place where it could have an impact is with people who live in Queens and Brooklyn, and work in Manhattan, and drive in several days a week because they have free parking in Manhattan at their office (depending on where they live, it could be a lot faster than the subway). If they were taking a toll free bridge and now are going to pay a fee to drive, they'll probably limit how often they drive.
 
2021-08-25 2:55:57 PM  
Sounds like just another money grab from a city that is already squeezing the nuts of its citizens and workers financially anyway. Will this lead to improved public transport? Probably not. Will the money be used to hire more transit cops to shoo homeless people away who are beating off without shame on the subway? Not a chance. So what's the point? They'll tell you it's to benefit the environment. But take one look at NYC and you'll see nothing about the city is designed with nature in mind. Skinny skyscrapers taking shape any place they can stick one, as aging structures go ignored, just waiting for their moment of fame on the 6 o'clock news when they collapse. The point is to draw more people to the city, but with no regard for the impact of having so many more people in one location on the environment. It must be really odd to stand in Central Park and look around at the towering fence of glass and steel that increasingly surrounds New York's token greenery. If the money was going to a worthy cause, such as ridding the city of bed bugs and other vermin, or helping the homeless get back on their feet, that would make sense. But no, it's New York, so the money is probably going straight into a politician's pocket, and from there it will either go into the g-string of a stripper with a butterface, or the purse of a street walker who knows their city councilmen clientele on a first name basis.

Meh.
 
2021-08-25 3:01:48 PM  

Dr Dreidel: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.

...good? Because that's sort of the point?

It's right there in the name: "CONGESTION pricing" - the whole idea is to limit the amount of cars strangling Manhattan's roads, which people taking PATH-to-subway are already helping with.

// former Lyft driver
// still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown
// I think I made it back through the Holland Tunnel by 6
// the background here is that NJ Lyft drivers couldn't (no idea if this has changed) pick up NYC riders, and also drivers aren't supposed to decline rides based on destination (policy is not to "start" the ride until the passenger gets in, which plenty of drivers ignore specifically to avoid this situation. Damn you, scruples!)


So what you're saying is make Newark suffer instead?
 
2021-08-25 3:03:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Dr Dreidel: // still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown

Hoboken?

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Is it just me or is he putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable? Is this an old timey pronunciation or an incorrect one?
 
2021-08-25 3:05:50 PM  

H31N0US: A car in Manhattan is so much of a liability. Unless you're moving a dresser from Ridgefield Park to an NYU dorm, just take the train. Ignore the FAUX news reports about how bad the homeless situation is because DiBlasio doesn't suck cop cock. It's like it always was.


Hell, it's way better than it was in the 80s.
 
2021-08-25 3:08:18 PM  

thornhill: SmellsLikePoo: two questions...

1) How is this different than the already steep prices charged on bridges and tunnels? Not seeing it covered in "article"

The Brooklyn, Manhattan, Williamsburg, and Queensboro bridges don't have tolls. 

2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.

As I said in my post above, I agree that the people already driving in probably aren't going to think twice about paying even more. Especially folks coming in for a night on the town.

But thinking about it more, the one place where it could have an impact is with people who live in Queens and Brooklyn, and work in Manhattan, and drive in several days a week because they have free parking in Manhattan at their office (depending on where they live, it could be a lot faster than the subway). If they were taking a toll free bridge and now are going to pay a fee to drive, they'll probably limit how often they drive.


See, the trick is to make the transit system able enough to deal with a surge in new passengers.

Problem: It was only in the 1980s that the state decided to invest in rapid transit.  Not sure how far back the state invested in commuter rail.

So far as the Subway is concerned it's decades of neglect that we're now trying to correct.
 
2021-08-25 3:08:42 PM  

thornhill: SmellsLikePoo: two questions...

1) How is this different than the already steep prices charged on bridges and tunnels? Not seeing it covered in "article"

The Brooklyn, Manhattan, Williamsburg, and Queensboro bridges don't have tolls. 

2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.

As I said in my post above, I agree that the people already driving in probably aren't going to think twice about paying even more. Especially folks coming in for a night on the town.

But thinking about it more, the one place where it could have an impact is with people who live in Queens and Brooklyn, and work in Manhattan, and drive in several days a week because they have free parking in Manhattan at their office (depending on where they live, it could be a lot faster than the subway). If they were taking a toll free bridge and now are going to pay a fee to drive, they'll probably limit how often they drive.


Why not tax all the bridges then? Seems to kill two birds with one stone.
 
2021-08-25 3:09:55 PM  
They could allow EVs to bypass the tolls if they want to incentivize environmental impacts.
Free charging stations would be cool, if they're not prone to being vandalized every other day.
Additional mass transit options would be great, but getting people out of their cars and onto a train or bus is a big ask. "I'm not getting on the Shame Train! I have my own car!"
It's NYC. It's expensive. Yeah, it takes a lot to keep that place running.
It's past the let's fix aging buildings... let's rid the city of rats once and for all (not gonna ever happen btw) Fix the homeless problem... Why can't you fix these things? Because people will always scoff at the real cost of getting shiat done. Add in corruption, greasing palms... NYC is way past the Extreme Makeover: NYC edition
 
2021-08-25 3:13:12 PM  

Pinner: It's NYC. It's expensive.


This is my thought. In a city where a one-bedroom apartment is going to run you $5000/month, you think people are going to care if they have to shell out another $20/day to drive their cars?

In the end, all this does is punch poor people square in the nose while the wealthy honestly won't give a fark.
 
2021-08-25 3:19:19 PM  

gar1013: Dr Dreidel: 137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.

...good? Because that's sort of the point?

It's right there in the name: "CONGESTION pricing" - the whole idea is to limit the amount of cars strangling Manhattan's roads, which people taking PATH-to-subway are already helping with.

// former Lyft driver
// still angry at the assworm who decided 3pm on a farking FRIDAY was a great time to head from Hobroken to Chinatown
// I think I made it back through the Holland Tunnel by 6
// the background here is that NJ Lyft drivers couldn't (no idea if this has changed) pick up NYC riders, and also drivers aren't supposed to decline rides based on destination (policy is not to "start" the ride until the passenger gets in, which plenty of drivers ignore specifically to avoid this situation. Damn you, scruples!)

So what you're saying is make Newark suffer instead?


...it's Newark, aka The Origin of Suffering. They'll get over it.

// maybe they'll tear down more of The Ironbound to build parking lots
// former Noark resident
 
2021-08-25 3:20:01 PM  
Mixed feelings about it. As someone who once lived in manhattan in that zone, and had a car, questions about how it would affect people in that boat. As someone who lives right outside the city and usually takes mass transit in, but will occasionally drive if the weather is shiat, or if its for a very quick meeting, the final price tab means a lot.

It will change some habits for a lot of people, and how well did they price that in to their estimates. How well has WFH been considered in this, because they are looking at stale data at this point. Most people i know that work in the city are expecting to be in 2, maybe 3 times a week when the dust settles. That means a big shift in mass transit and driving patterns.
 
2021-08-25 3:21:12 PM  

Pinner: They could allow EVs to bypass the tolls if they want to incentivize environmental impacts.


It's not JUST environmental impacts. Have you ever driven in Manhattan? I fully support vehicle electrification but we also just flat-out need fewer vehicles.

=Smidge=
/If it weren't for COVID I'd have taken the train in that day...
 
2021-08-25 3:23:41 PM  
137 Is An Excellent Time:
Why not tax all the bridges then? Seems to kill two birds with one stone.

The major crossings are taxed. You forget that the boroughs are still NYC. I mean, except Staten Island, fark those people.

You want to pay a toll to go to the other side of your town? How do you figure in cabs, etc with that.

Its been brought up plenty of times, discussed etc. The best proposal i have seen is only tolling commercial traffic and non NYC plates, and still excluding commercial traffic that was borough-borough.
 
2021-08-25 3:24:52 PM  

H31N0US: A car in Manhattan is so much of a liability. Unless you're moving a dresser from Ridgefield Park to an NYU dorm, just take the train. I


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2021-08-25 3:26:13 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Sounds like just another money grab from a city that is already squeezing the nuts of its citizens and workers financially anyway.


I heard offhand that buying a car was like buying a house.  If you have enough money to buy a car because you place your comfort above everything else, you just have to pay a little more for said comfort.

Will this lead to improved public transport? Probably not.

If the people of the City of New York had it our way then, yeah, it will.  More trains, marked improvement in the infrastructure around our subway system.  Better on-time performance.

The problem are the clowns in Albany who take from the transportation fund because "Daddy needs a new apartment for his mistress" or "I need to schmooze this guy into contributing for my re-election campaign." or "I need to use this money for a new bicycle rack in Westbubblefark, New York."

Will the money be used to hire more transit cops to shoo homeless people away who are beating off without shame on the subway? Not a chance.

Oh the cops will get a piece no question.

So what's the point? They'll tell you it's to benefit the environment.

Nah, it's to tell the asshole drivers that come to this city acting like their own the roads that it's going to cost them more for the privilege.  Frankly, I don't mind that at all.

But take one look at NYC and you'll see nothing about the city is designed with nature in mind. Skinny skyscrapers taking shape any place they can stick one, as aging structures go ignored, just waiting for their moment of fame on the 6 o'clock news when they collapse.

Skinny skyscrapers are taking shape because greedy assclown owners see billionaires rolling into town and daddy wants a part of a sweet filthy lucre.  So what better way than building skyscrapers filled with multi-million dollar apartments at the cost of everyone else.

The point is to draw more people to the city, but with no regard for the impact of having so many more people in one location on the environment. It must be really odd to stand in Central Park and look around at the towering fence of glass and steel that increasingly surrounds New York's token greenery. If the money was going to a worthy cause, such as ridding the city of bed bugs and other vermin, or helping the homeless get back on their feet, that would make sense.

I can see your point in this one; from personal experience however, the only time I see the homeless is to ask you for a dollar to indulge in their vices and zero motivation to change that or, sadly, they have a mental condition that doesn't give them the capability of making that lifestyle change.

But no, it's New York, so the money is probably going straight into a politician's pocket, and from there it will either go into the g-string of a stripper with a butterface, or the purse of a street walker who knows their city councilmen clientele on a first name basis.

Meh.


Probably.
 
2021-08-25 3:26:25 PM  

LineNoise: The major crossings are taxed. You forget that the boroughs are still NYC. I mean, except Staten Island, fark those people.

You want to pay a toll to go to the other side of your town? How do you figure in cabs, etc with that.

Its been brought up plenty of times, discussed etc. The best proposal i have seen is only tolling commercial traffic and non NYC plates, and still excluding commercial traffic that was borough-borough.


The Whitestone and Throgs Neck are tolled. So is the Mid-Town Tunnel and the Battery Tunnel. The Verrazanos is also tolled. So is the RFK. These are all NYC to NYC bridges and tunnels. Why not toll the remaining bridges for all? Seems idiotic to create a new congestion pricing when just simply tolling every bridge and tunnel would be far easier and be a far more equitable way to charge if that is the goal.
 
2021-08-25 3:28:08 PM  
I mean it'll be quite the sight when the only cars driven in Manhattan are comerical vehicles, Rolls-Royces, and Astin Martin's. So the rich can drive downtown but fark the rest of us right? Plebs get the train.

Climate change is real. Discouraging gas car use is good. Decreasing congestion is good. This tactic is not.
 
2021-08-25 3:32:25 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: 2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.


So i'm someone who is frequently faced with, "Do i drive, or take the train\bus, depending on where I am going"

If its for a one hour meeting, i usually drive. It costs substantially more already between tolls and parking, but i'm back in the office sooner and more productive, and even if it only saves an hour, my company is happier.

If its for the day, i'll take mass transit. its an easier ride in, I can nap, dick around online, have a beer on the way home if i want, etc. The day is already billed, so, lets minimize expenses.

Ultimately i don't think its going to have an impact on anything if we are talking about 10 or 20 bucks and is just a new revenue stream. I could go 5 blocks out of my way and save that on parking most of the time, but the whole point of me driving when i do is to maximize my useful time.

I mean i'm cool with that, i get it, me driving when there are better alternatives available has a cost, but my time also has a cost. We have a great mass transit system, i can walk to the train, but not trying to sound like an ass, i bill a bit higher than 20 bucks an hour, which is in many cases, what driving will save me if its just for a pop in.
 
2021-08-25 3:34:35 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: Seems like another idiotic tax from the idiots responsible for single vehicle bridge tolls that now cost more than half a tank of gas. But, hey, whatever, people will keep parking at Newark Penn Station and riding PATH in.


That's the point.
 
2021-08-25 3:34:49 PM  

Tax Boy: H31N0US: A car in Manhattan is so much of a liability. Unless you're moving a dresser from Ridgefield Park to an NYU dorm, just take the train. I

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you can take the subway to move anything


One time some friends and I moved a free big screen TV (the old crt kind that was heavy) a few stops on the 4 train. They already had one tv, but needed another so we could watch WCW and WWF at the same time.
 
2021-08-25 3:35:01 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: two questions...

2) Is there any data that would indicate this will actually change behavior? If I need to drive to Manhattan, I'm going to drive, regardless of the up-charge. Driving into NYC is already bottom of my list of options, but I do it because I HAVE no other choice sometimes.


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2021-08-25 3:35:31 PM  

Smidge204: Pinner: They could allow EVs to bypass the tolls if they want to incentivize environmental impacts.

It's not JUST environmental impacts. Have you ever driven in Manhattan? I fully support vehicle electrification but we also just flat-out need fewer vehicles.

=Smidge=
/If it weren't for COVID I'd have taken the train in that day...


People won't run out to by an EV. There will be fewer cars if the price to drive in is jacked up enough. It's a great idea to cut traffic, but that's not gonna be too noticeable. It's past the tipping point. Like many other problems we've chosen to kick down the road.
 
2021-08-25 3:36:44 PM  

137 Is An Excellent Time: The Whitestone and Throgs Neck are tolled. So is the Mid-Town Tunnel and the Battery Tunnel. The Verrazanos is also tolled. So is the RFK. These are all NYC to NYC bridges and tunnels. Why not toll the remaining bridges for all? Seems idiotic to create a new congestion pricing when just simply tolling every bridge and tunnel would be far easier and be a far more equitable way to charge if that is the goal.


The VZ is heavily discounted if you are a Staten Island resident making regular trips. Like, HEAVILY discounted. That is mainly commuter traffic, or people coming across from jersey to the island. Make ssense.

The queensboro is people coming across from queens to manhattan. Same with brooklyn, manhattan. Go further up river and you have stuff that barely passes as a bridge to cross.

Midtown, and battery, aside from being tunnels, are part of interstate travel. I mean at one point moses pushed hard to just pave across from jersey to it.
 
2021-08-25 3:40:43 PM  

Royale With Cheese: Throwing in a complimentary vial of Moderna or Pfizer and some syringes to the driver might help alleviate NY's massive anti-vaxxer issue while they're at it.


NY is twelfth best in vaccination rates (tenth if you don't count Puerto Rico and Guam) and NYC is right about in line with the rest of the state.

Obviously there are anti-vaxxers everywhere, but you say that like you are trying to or believe it's a thing NY is particularly an outlier on it.  (Of course, I'm not sitting outside with my neighbors right now because two of them are anti-vaxxers/Trump for (short) lifers).

Cool today though, because I'm watching a deer come along and eat the jewelweed pods right now (well, actually, it just wandered out of view as I was typing this).  By the way, I will be getting the Lyme disease vaccine when it gets approved too.
 
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