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2021-08-19 12:42:41 PM  
No American troops, you mean? Disappointed, Subby?
 
2021-08-19 1:48:31 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: No American troops, you mean? Disappointed, Subby?


Nope ... Nobody at all. In fact, all crime has stopped and death rates have plummeted to 0. Now break out your prayer mats and shout Allah-lujah!
 
2021-08-19 1:53:03 PM  
They are being killed. They're not free to travel, and are being stopped if they try to get to Kabul to evacuate. There was a demonstration in one of the cities because they wanted to fly the Afghani flag, and a bunch of them got shot. Just like that.
 
2021-08-19 4:24:11 PM  

koder: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: No American troops, you mean? Disappointed, Subby?

Nope ... Nobody at all. In fact, all crime has stopped and death rates have plummeted to 0. Now break out your prayer mats and shout Allah-lujah!


In fact, people are coming back from the dead. It's a miracle!
 
2021-08-19 4:24:37 PM  
Biden, c'mon man.  Seriously?  I mean we're rooting for you and you're blowing it.
 
2021-08-19 4:24:39 PM  
Seeing what the Taliban did last time they ran the Show-Ria... it was like watching a terribly edited version of Faces of Death.
 
2021-08-19 4:24:46 PM  
Like nobody is dying of Covid in Florida.
 
2021-08-19 4:24:57 PM  
More accurate to say no one is being killed in connection to the withdrawal.

Crime is still taking place and there have been some light skirmishes, but thus far the agreement to allow the US to extract its forces and local allies without conflict has been holding.
 
Juc
2021-08-19 4:26:03 PM  
In the USAs view, no americans killed is the exact same as nobody killed.
been that way for ohh centuries now really.
 
2021-08-19 4:28:34 PM  
Wow subby. That's the best you can do? Pretty extensive interview to just swipe that snippet.

Note: Biden immediately said "God forgive me if I'm wrong about that."

It's almost like you're being intentionally misleading.
 
2021-08-19 4:29:47 PM  
I wouldn't doubt things aren't that bad right now. The Taliban will wait until we have totally evacuated Afghanistan and the dust has settled, then they'll start making everyone's life a living hell.
 
2021-08-19 4:29:58 PM  

Murkanen: More accurate to say no one is being killed in connection to the withdrawal.



Um, I think the people who have worked with the US and American allies who are being actively tracked down and killed by the Taliban are being killed in connection to the withdrawal.
 
2021-08-19 4:30:13 PM  
My biggest worry is what the Taliban's patience is going to be on this ceasefire/evacuation stuff. So far it has been far less bloody than expected but with international groups cutting off all funding to Afghanistan (because the Taliban is still categorized as a supporter of terror) I am just waiting to see if they every come to the conclusion that taking hostages is more profitable than trying to negotiate aid diplomatically.

Again, hopefully this continues through the end of this week into the end of the month and we get everyone trying to leave that we will accept out (have a feeling some NGO-affiliated Americans are still not pursuing evacuation and we're not going to get all the Afghani supporters who wish to leave approved) but it is both not the total disaster that the media wants to frame it as and a high risk situation until we have exhausted these efforts.
 
2021-08-19 4:30:27 PM  
FFS, he meant that it is at least relatively peaceful. the Taliban aren't bombing places. they haven't started stoning women yet. Change your undies.
 
2021-08-19 4:30:35 PM  

razrez75: Wow subby. That's the best you can do? Pretty extensive interview to just swipe that snippet.

Note: Biden immediately said "God forgive me if I'm wrong about that."

It's almost like you're being intentionally misleading.


They're still really really impotently angry that we won last November.  We weren't supposed to, right?
 
2021-08-19 4:30:58 PM  
This was a great response to the Afghan women question - "The idea that we're able to deal with the rights of women around the world by military force is not rational."
 
2021-08-19 4:31:01 PM  

Befuddled: I wouldn't doubt things aren't that bad right now. The Taliban will wait until we have totally evacuated Afghanistan and the dust has settled, then they'll start making everyone's life a living hell.


They are already going around and rounding up people who worked with the US or american allies.  Also in cities outside of Kabul their behavior is worse.  Kabul is rather "muted" because it is front and center of the world stage.
 
2021-08-19 4:32:22 PM  

Juc: In the USAs view, no americans killed is the exact same as nobody killed.
been that way for ohh centuries now really.


If they wanted to matter, they should have been born American or at least taken a small loan of a million dollars out from their parents to become American.
 
2021-08-19 4:33:49 PM  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: Juc: In the USAs view, no americans killed is the exact same as nobody killed.
been that way for ohh centuries now really.

If they wanted to matter, they should have been born American or at least taken a small loan of a million dollars out from their parents to become American.


Biden is also leaving a lot of Americans behind.  While France, the UK and other countries are actively going and getting their citizens out, the US is relying on people to get through the very many Taliban roadblocks to get to the airport  and then get through taht catastrophe to get on a plane.
 
2021-08-19 4:34:05 PM  
Sexual assaults?  ... well...
 
2021-08-19 4:34:18 PM  

special20: Seeing what the Taliban did last time they ran the Show-Ria... it was like watching a terribly edited version of Faces of Death.


The Taliban has been interesting this time around because they are flexing what they've learned about media and public relations. They've given press conferences, had interviews with female anchors, press pools,, etc. Hell they even gave interviews where they said if the US was so concerned about negotiating with a peoples that cut off hands for stealing or supress women's rights, then perhaps they should cut ties with Saudi Arabia.

There is no doubt that the long arc of the Taliban is going to be towards a return to the status quo of the 90's. For now they are pressing hard for legitimacy from folks like the Russians, Chinese, and Pakistanis. But to quote the ancient zen Master, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, "we'll see".
 
2021-08-19 4:35:28 PM  

sprgrss: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Juc: In the USAs view, no americans killed is the exact same as nobody killed.
been that way for ohh centuries now really.

If they wanted to matter, they should have been born American or at least taken a small loan of a million dollars out from their parents to become American.

Biden is also leaving a lot of Americans behind.  While France, the UK and other countries are actively going and getting their citizens out, the US is relying on people to get through the very many Taliban roadblocks to get to the airport  and then get through taht catastrophe to get on a plane.


Want to know how I know you didn't read the article?  Or any non Washington Times type articles?
 
2021-08-19 4:37:26 PM  
The thing about terror is you don't need actual deaths. You just need everyone to fear death, and you can do that without killing people, without ever having shot a gun.

How long that lasts before you *do* have to start shooting people is anyone's guess.
 
2021-08-19 4:37:39 PM  

sprgrss: Befuddled: I wouldn't doubt things aren't that bad right now. The Taliban will wait until we have totally evacuated Afghanistan and the dust has settled, then they'll start making everyone's life a living hell.

They are already going around and rounding up people who worked with the US or american allies.  Also in cities outside of Kabul their behavior is worse.  Kabul is rather "muted" because it is front and center of the world stage.


You should report your intel to the US Command
 
2021-08-19 4:38:00 PM  
its only a matter
of time before they start crawling out of the woodwork

/fuq them over in undreampt wais
 
2021-08-19 4:38:22 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Biden, c'mon man.  Seriously?  I mean we're rooting for you and you're blowing it.


Yeah, he dropped the ball on this one and doesn't seem to be able to pick it back up. This interview sounds pretty much all over the place, not a great sign that he'll be able to fix up this fark up.
 
2021-08-19 4:42:35 PM  

Mikey1969: SirEattonHogg: Biden, c'mon man.  Seriously?  I mean we're rooting for you and you're blowing it.

Yeah, he dropped the ball on this one and doesn't seem to be able to pick it back up. This interview sounds pretty much all over the place, not a great sign that he'll be able to fix up this fark up.


What fark up?  He did what the previous 3 Presidents should have done.  It was always going to be ugly.  That's why the previous 3 Presidents wouldn't do it.  Spending money and lives is easy when it's not you.  And much preferable to stupid people thinking you messed up.
 
2021-08-19 4:44:36 PM  
STEPHANOPOULOS: But we've all seen the pictures. We've seen those hundreds of people packed into a C-17. You've seen Afghans falling--
BIDEN: That was four days ago, five days ago.


Fair point, Joe.
 
2021-08-19 4:45:05 PM  

Mikey1969: SirEattonHogg: Biden, c'mon man.  Seriously?  I mean we're rooting for you and you're blowing it.

Yeah, he dropped the ball on this one and doesn't seem to be able to pick it back up. This interview sounds pretty much all over the place, not a great sign that he'll be able to fix up this fark up.


lolwut
 
2021-08-19 4:48:04 PM  
"...we will strike them back like hell, won't have it."

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2021-08-19 4:48:18 PM  
You think Afghanistan was bad? Wait until Trump pulls out of Melania.
 
2021-08-19 4:48:32 PM  
Is there actual video?  Transcript is a little hard to follow at times.
 
2021-08-19 4:52:30 PM  

whidbey: razrez75: Wow subby. That's the best you can do? Pretty extensive interview to just swipe that snippet.

Note: Biden immediately said "God forgive me if I'm wrong about that."

It's almost like you're being intentionally misleading.

They're still really really impotent. angry that we won last November.  We weren't supposed to, right?


<chef's kiss>
 
2021-08-19 4:53:35 PM  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: Juc: In the USAs view, no americans killed is the exact same as nobody killed.
been that way for ohh centuries now really.

If they wanted to matter, they should have been born American or at least taken a small loan of a million dollars out from their parents to become American.


The Afghan president ran away with more than a hundred million bucks, and the Afghan military commanders spent more than a decade stuffing their pockets, even if it meant taking money directly from their troops.

Short of taking over and declaring Afghanistan a U.S. territory, this was the outcome. The Afghan government and leadership had no interest in their own people besides taking the money and running.

It's not America's job to fight for countries that refuse to fight for themselves.
 
2021-08-19 4:53:58 PM  

special20: You think Afghanistan was bad? Wait until Trump pulls out of Melania.



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2021-08-19 4:57:38 PM  
LL316:

Want to know how I know you didn't read the article?  Or any non Washington Times type articles?

Because you've been on Fark with that particular poster long enough to know better?
 
2021-08-19 5:01:56 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: No American troops, you mean? Disappointed, Subby?


Actually, I think he was talking about the airport, which includes Afghani civilians inside. So not just troops.
 
2021-08-19 5:02:44 PM  
Remember when people were hanging onto the wings of planes on Sunday, and since then we've kept extracting 1000+ refugees per day?

On the inside of the planes, even.
 
2021-08-19 5:02:57 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: No American troops, you mean? Disappointed, Subby?


We lost 5k troops over 20 years in Afghanistan. For comparison, we lose 30k civilians to gun violence every year, and we can't even bring the wherewithal to make gun violence  an election issue.

The whole situation is farked up and complicated, but the whole "keeping the troops safe" thing doesn't hold water. Don't mistake this as taking any particular stance towards the withdrawal itself -just saying that that particular argument is a little specious coming from this country.
 
2021-08-19 5:03:51 PM  
If you want to criticize Biden because he previously made statements that downplayed how messy a withdrawal would be, fine. He did that.

But those are petty and dishonest critiques, because we all knew that it would always be messy when it happened. There was nothing Biden or anyone else could do to create a situation in which withdrawal wasn't messy.

And it's doubly dishonest to use those petty critiques to say that Biden did the wrong thing. Whatever he said previously is not a legitimate critique on what he did. Choosing the wrong words did not make his actions wrong.
 
2021-08-19 5:09:05 PM  
I don't know, I'm pretty sure those legs hanging out of the landing gear of that C-17 weren't connected to a survivor.
 
2021-08-19 5:11:22 PM  

stoli n coke: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Juc: 

The Afghan president ran away with more than a hundred million bucks, and the Afghan military commanders spent more than a decade stuffing their pockets, even if it meant taking money directly from their troops.

Short of taking over and declaring Afghanistan a U.S. territory, this was the outcome. The Afghan government and leadership had no interest in their own people besides taking the money and running.

It's not America's job to fight for countries that refuse to fight for themselves.


QFT.
 
2021-08-19 5:12:38 PM  
"that somehow, the 300,000 troops we had trained and equipped was gonna just collapse, they were gonna give up. I don't think anybody anticipated that."

It's all Biden's fault!
 
2021-08-19 5:15:44 PM  
Afghanistan is 90% Sunni and 10% Shia but it will soon be 100% Sunni.
 
2021-08-19 5:18:06 PM  

tinderfitles: special20: Seeing what the Taliban did last time they ran the Show-Ria... it was like watching a terribly edited version of Faces of Death.

The Taliban has been interesting this time around because they are flexing what they've learned about media and public relations. They've given press conferences, had interviews with female anchors, press pools,, etc. Hell they even gave interviews where they said if the US was so concerned about negotiating with a peoples that cut off hands for stealing or supress women's rights, then perhaps they should cut ties with Saudi Arabia.

There is no doubt that the long arc of the Taliban is going to be towards a return to the status quo of the 90's. For now they are pressing hard for legitimacy from folks like the Russians, Chinese, and Pakistanis. But to quote the ancient zen Master, Phillip Seymour Hoffman, "we'll see".


I expect it will be tough for some of the Taliban to turn away from the decadence they've usurped. To keep the foreign investment which powers that decadence running, they'll have to keep smiling for the cameras while keeping their traditional hunger for atrocities out of shot. If history is any guide, any breach between kleptocratic and traditionalist Taliban would be a great excuse for them to start killing one another.
 
2021-08-19 5:18:35 PM  

Murkanen: More accurate to say no one is being killed in connection to the withdrawal.

Crime is still taking place and there have been some light skirmishes, but thus far the agreement to allow the US to extract its forces and local allies without conflict has been holding.


Not according to the BBC.

BBC News

Don't get news about the US from US sources.
 
2021-08-19 5:19:54 PM  

emtwo: If you want to criticize Biden because he previously made statements that downplayed how messy a withdrawal would be, fine. He did that.

But those are petty and dishonest critiques, because we all knew that it would always be messy when it happened. There was nothing Biden or anyone else could do to create a situation in which withdrawal wasn't messy.

And it's doubly dishonest to use those petty critiques to say that Biden did the wrong thing. Whatever he said previously is not a legitimate critique on what he did. Choosing the wrong words did not make his actions wrong.


There are thousands of US civilians currently depends on the mercy of Taliban to make it to the Airport for evacuation which gives them all of the leverage. That was not inevitable, it was a huge f*ckup..
 
2021-08-19 5:20:06 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: Murkanen: More accurate to say no one is being killed in connection to the withdrawal.

Crime is still taking place and there have been some light skirmishes, but thus far the agreement to allow the US to extract its forces and local allies without conflict has been holding.

Not according to the BBC.

BBC News

Don't get news about the US from US sources.


Well I guess I'd better vote Republican now.  Or even better, sit out the next election and stick it to Biden so a Republican will win.
 
2021-08-19 5:20:13 PM  

Clash City Farker: Afghanistan is 90% Sunni and 10% Shia but it will soon be 100% Sunni.



So it's always Sunni in Afghanistan? That could be a cool new sitcom...
 
2021-08-19 5:20:41 PM  

Clash City Farker: Afghanistan is 90% Sunni and 10% Shia but it will soon be 100% Sunni.


The region that the NA retreated to is pretty secure.  It would cost more for the Taliban to take it than the region is worth to them, given the bordering regions all being hostile to the majority of the Afghani population, so they're more likely to go with containment.
 
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