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(South China Morning Post)   China to build $463 million airport on an island that is the closest point to Taiwan ..for peaceful trade purposes only. Riiiight   (scmp.com) divider line
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2021-08-18 10:32:54 PM  
I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.
 
2021-08-18 10:35:20 PM  
To be fair, tell me that's not a flex
 
2021-08-18 10:36:09 PM  
That's what I call infrastructure week!
 
2021-08-18 10:37:18 PM  
To be fair, the only way a lot of coastal urban areas in China can expand is by reclaiming land from the sea and Fujian probably does need that kind of infrastructure.

The situation in cross-straits relations really is more interdependent than the article suggests. For instance, the island of Kinmen already gets its much of its drinking water supply piped-in from a mainland reservoir (Taiwan was experiencing a water shortage for much of the spring) and I don't think there has ever been an implicit threat from the mainland regarding that. Though things could change one day.
 
2021-08-18 10:47:15 PM  
The chinese want to trade APVs, UCAVs, MLRS, ICBMs etc with Taiwan?
 
2021-08-18 10:58:13 PM  
Yawn. It's across the Taiwan Strait. Just like the rest of China.
 
2021-08-18 11:02:36 PM  
There's no way that project's going to pass the environmental review.
 
2021-08-18 11:03:31 PM  

chawco: I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.


The entire top of the CCP is haunted by Ming dynasty ghosts telling them they can't seize the Mandate of Heaven if Taiwan is "in the hands of foreigners."
 
2021-08-18 11:04:22 PM  
I would really like just another couple Fallout games rather than a chance to see it begin first hand. Would it kick to become an intelligent ghoul though, yay or nay? On the one hand, I'm genuinely curious to see how it all plays out. On the rotting other hand however, every aspect of that existence seems like a nightmare.
 
2021-08-18 11:13:44 PM  

chawco: I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.


You are enlightened. This is very similar to problems between Russia and Japan and their disputes over northern islands that are worth exactly squat. Japan wins because Russia has to support their far flung outposts at the expense of good relations with a passive neighbor.

I totally agree on the waste and the stupidity of stunts like this, but there are two reasons China might be going after this.

1. There is little economic value to this, so it is either militarily or diplomatically or domestic politically motivated. The Chinese are going to spend money to rattle sabers and accomplish very little. They want a flashpoint to a war that will either never occur, or which would be a disaster. Either way, it is a waste of money.

2. China is running out of useless cities, bridges, and missile silos to build, so this is as good a make-work project as any. This is actually worse than number 1 above because it means that China has no real intention of this project achieving anything, so they just might as well do it to keep all the contractors busy.

So they either have dumb justifications for doing it, or no justification at all. Being a prickly tyrant has costs. It is almost like invading a worthless country and then occupying it at great expense for 20 years and having little to show for it. Hubris is expensive.
 
2021-08-18 11:21:23 PM  

Sanguine Dawn: chawco: I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.

The entire top of the CCP is haunted by Ming dynasty ghosts telling them they can't seize the Mandate of Heaven if Taiwan is "in the hands of foreigners."


Pretty much.

It isn't even about how the rest of the world views China.

It's about how China sees itself.  They have drank their own propaganda Kool aid
 
2021-08-18 11:21:49 PM  
China has a hard on for the Philippines now too.

What exactly did the pope mean when he said "this is the wrong time for this war" ? Sure seems to me a shiat storm is coming.
 
2021-08-18 11:26:03 PM  
If the global chip shortage is bad now, what would it be like if TSMC is shut down due to military actions?
 
2021-08-18 11:28:39 PM  
It'll be an incredible self ownage when this airport sinks into the Pacific Ocean after tens of landings.
 
2021-08-18 11:29:05 PM  

chawco: I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.


Winnie the pooh got a little weiner just like putin and trump so they have an inferiority complex.
 
2021-08-18 11:30:48 PM  

Wobambo: I would really like just another couple Fallout games rather than a chance to see it begin first hand. Would it kick to become an intelligent ghoul though, yay or nay? On the one hand, I'm genuinely curious to see how it all plays out. On the rotting other hand however, every aspect of that existence seems like a nightmare.


You don't have to eat though. Have I got that right?
 
2021-08-18 11:34:43 PM  

Wobambo: I would really like just another couple Fallout games rather than a chance to see it begin first hand. Would it kick to become an intelligent ghoul though, yay or nay? On the one hand, I'm genuinely curious to see how it all plays out. On the rotting other hand however, every aspect of that existence seems like a nightmare.


I mean...on the pro side? Functionally immortal, no need to eat or drink, you probably have lots of cool "before the bombs fell" stories.

Con? Functional immorality drives you crazy after a couple hundred years, if the Rads don't feral you first. Also, the whole "OMG It's a walking Corpse KILL IT" you'd have to deal with.
 
2021-08-18 11:37:17 PM  

chawco: I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.


Various factors, possibly the biggest one being racism.

No really; White Devils colonized and humiliated the great, ancient and so-much-better-than-you civilization of China for a century in what they literally call "The Century of Humiliation" that ended with Chairman Mao issuing various decrees burning, destroying, and painting over that Great, Ancient, and So-Much-Better-Than-You Civilization of China and putting the master race of Chinese* stuck it to the evil White Devils and started regaining what had been STOLEN from them.  The "Stolen property" being "any vaguely asian person might have lived there at some point in history or our imaginations".

*note: They also consider "chinese" to be racially different and superior to Japanese, Korean, and Pacific Islander.  Now some whiner is going to say "how dare you?!/Whatabout America?!" and the answer is "no shiat sherlock we already know everybody does the same shiat with a different-wrinkled asshole.  We're talking about China right now."

Anyway the point is Taiwan was the only territory that didn't fall to the communist government and by the time China had finished rebuilding their military Taiwan was too well-defended to capture.  Defended by locals but backed by Evil White Devils.  Until every last non-Chinese is cast out of any semblance of power or relevance in that territory it is "land stolen by racial mongrels and untermensch".

And Taiwan?  They dunno.  Racism is tempting to a subset of their society that doesn't like White Devils and don't mind/ignore the authoritarianism on the mainland.  As is just ignoring the Taiwanese politicians who are clearly in China's pocket because it gets them what they want in short-term local politics.  And they are not, legally speaking, an independent nation.  If labels matter (they do) Taiwan is an unlabeled, unrecognized, illegal territory claimed by China (though many nations do not recognize that claim).

And there's economics and local politics and the price of fish and who has a dumb haircut but the BIG part is the racism.
 
2021-08-18 11:37:54 PM  

dericwater: It'll be an incredible self ownage when this airport sinks into the Pacific Ocean after tens of landings.


This stuff is a White Elephant that keeps on giving. I encourage China to increase the size of its borders at great expense just as it becomes increasingly difficult to police and defend and maintain them.

As great a place as Puerto Rico might be, at least some people in the US have decided that paying the price to take care of PR as they should... well, it is just too much. Spain lost Cuba and the Philippines. The US picked them up for a song and promptly lost them too. France lost Mexico. This is all part of imperial overstretch and it is a trap that is just irresistible to empires. There used to be a thing called the USSR.
 
2021-08-18 11:46:31 PM  
Free Tibet!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2021-08-19 12:17:46 AM  

chawco: I don't really understand why some Nations get so obsessed with gobbling up a little bit of extra territory. How much difference does it really make the China if they take Taiwan back? Yes I know Taiwan is prosperous, Etc. But the cost of doing so will be absurdly high militarily, politically, and economically. Taiwan has been a separate nation for something like 80 years.

Let it go guys. At this points, its obsession.


Island Chain Strategy

China sees controlling the First Island Chain as essential to it's strategic defense and furtherance as a global power with Taiwan as the center of that chain.

Same reason it supports North Korea.  It's not that China gives a shiat about North Korea, but it's a great distraction and buffer from competitors.
 
2021-08-19 12:32:39 AM  
That's a pretty cheap airport. That's about what T-Mobile Stadium cost - 20-some years ago.
 
2021-08-19 12:54:38 AM  
The cool thing about 'reclaimed land' is that it's the easiest kind of land to turn into 'reclaimed sea'.
 
2021-08-19 1:04:44 AM  
Sanguine Dawn:
The entire top of the CCP is haunted by Ming dynasty ghosts telling them they can't seize the Mandate of Heaven if Taiwan is "in the hands of foreigners."

The Chinese "Mandate of Heaven" may become a Godzilla movie if they awaken Taiwan....
 
2021-08-19 1:06:21 AM  

fsbilly: The cool thing about 'reclaimed land' is that it's the easiest kind of land to turn into 'reclaimed sea'.


Yep. Their other islands are already having problems.
 
2021-08-19 1:06:38 AM  

BMulligan: That's a pretty cheap airport. That's about what T-Mobile Stadium cost - 20-some years ago.


I was thinking the same thing. The Muscat airport in Oman was over $4 Billion.
 
2021-08-19 1:54:54 AM  

DannyBrandt: BMulligan: That's a pretty cheap airport. That's about what T-Mobile Stadium cost - 20-some years ago.

I was thinking the same thing. The Muscat airport in Oman was over $4 Billion.


This is a really good point.

Sounds like more of a helipad.  OR someone got the numbers wrong.
 
2021-08-19 7:06:17 AM  

TheBigJerk: DannyBrandt: BMulligan: That's a pretty cheap airport. That's about what T-Mobile Stadium cost - 20-some years ago.

I was thinking the same thing. The Muscat airport in Oman was over $4 Billion.

This is a really good point.

Sounds like more of a helipad.  OR someone got the numbers wrong.


Or we are getting the price according to the person who made the decision to cancel their 2 nuclear carriers because building an airport on an island was waaaaayyyy cheaper.

(I say that with dripping sarcasm. The most expensive part of an aircraft carrier is the planes. And not actually the planes themselves, but the training for the pilots.)

(While islands can't technically be sunk, they can't dodge air strikes. And, just reiterating, the airport is just the down payment. The expensive part is the planes.)

(And I just had an amusing thought. Many regimes opt for subterranean hangers to protect the investment they made in aircraft from surprise air strikes. How do you make a subterranean hanger on an reclaimed island at sea level?)
 
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