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2021-08-17 3:24:43 PM  
It sure looks cool.

/not surprised someone mentioned the pacing issue
//has always been a gripe of mine w/ ~some~ asian feature films w/ drawwwwwn out morality tales
///would rather sit 7 hrs for a full kurosawa epic than 3 hrs for what should be a 2 hr flick
//*staring at bong joon-ho in particular*
/nttaww any of the cultural difference. failing to edit films to reasonable lengths otoh...
 
2021-08-17 4:10:27 PM  
Like Black Widow, I'm going to read spoilers before I spend money.
 
2021-08-17 4:12:08 PM  

gameshowhost: It sure looks cool.

/not surprised someone mentioned the pacing issue
//has always been a gripe of mine w/ ~some~ asian feature films w/ drawwwwwn out morality tales
///would rather sit 7 hrs for a full kurosawa epic than 3 hrs for what should be a 2 hr flick
//*staring at bong joon-ho in particular*
/nttaww any of the cultural difference. failing to edit films to reasonable lengths otoh...


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its 3 1/2 hours long and it flies by....such an amazing film
 
2021-08-17 4:20:34 PM  
FTFA: "Alot [me: twitch] of praise was given to the action/martial art scenes. One person even described it as "some of the best" action they've seen in the MCU."

Kinda faint praise, no? [ducks]
 
2021-08-17 4:23:55 PM  
70's MOKF/DHOKF was one of my absolute favorites as a kid. This won't be that, but hopefully it won't be completely beyond recognition. Also, why isn't Snake Eyes dude in this instead of melon head guy? Dude looks like comic relief in a Jackie Chan movie.
 
2021-08-17 4:26:32 PM  
It looks cool and I want to watch it. I refuse to go to a goddamn theater due to the ongoing plague rat infestations.

Your move, Disney.
 
2021-08-17 4:31:49 PM  
Watching the trailer with the fight on the scaffolding, I thought it looked like they took a bit of inspiration from some of Jackie Chan's creativity in choreographing scenes.
 
2021-08-17 4:33:22 PM  
Sample of some of the action:

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - Official "Scaffolding Escape" Clip (2021) Simu Liu
Youtube LRDEIHWSr3I
 
2021-08-17 4:33:48 PM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: Watching the trailer with the fight on the scaffolding, I thought it looked like they took a bit of inspiration from some of Jackie Chan's creativity in choreographing scenes.


Agree!
 
2021-08-17 4:39:30 PM  
There might be a small spoiler in the photo of the cast at the premier.
 
2021-08-17 4:41:40 PM  

sno man: FTFA: "Alot [me: twitch] of praise was given to the action/martial art scenes. One person even described it as "some of the best" action they've seen in the MCU."

Kinda faint praise, no? [ducks]


MCU is all over the place for action direction and choreography. Some bad and choppy with a bunch of camera cuts (the Disney Plus shows, Ultron), some where it's just an over the top mess of stuff happening and CGI (Iron Man 2), but there's several with some really well done action scenes (Winter Soldier, Ant Man and the Wasp).

They said the same thing about Black Widow though and I thought that was just okay outside of the great work the actor playing Taskmaster did in emulating other Avengers styles so clearly.
 
2021-08-17 5:14:56 PM  

Weird Hal: Sample of some of the action:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRDEIHWS​r3I?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.
 
2021-08-17 5:28:31 PM  

Lord Bear: Weird Hal: Sample of some of the action:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRDEIHWS​r3I?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]

Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.


"He has a background in martial arts such as Taekwondo and Wing Chun, as well as gymnastics.[6]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simu_​L​iu
Studying the martial arts doesn't make you a martial artist?
 
2021-08-17 5:35:48 PM  

Lord Bear: Weird Hal: Sample of some of the action:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRDEIHWS​r3I?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]

Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.


Don't forget your tissues.
 
2021-08-17 5:40:33 PM  
Herr Flick's Revenge:
Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.

"He has a background in martial arts such as Taekwondo and Wing Chun, as well as gymnastics.[6]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simu_L​iu
Studying the martial arts doesn't make you a martial artist?


I can legitimately say I have a background in Kung Fu, Karate and gymnastics as well.  I'm not a martial artist.

There is a big difference in watching someone play a martial artist and someone that IS one.  Here is an example.  This is a scene featuring Micheal Jai White, who is a black belt in multiple martial arts.  It looks better than a 200 million dollar marvel movie.  You can tell that he is really doing the moves, and that there is real power behind them (and that he his pulling his punches).  Its a spoof scene, with joke camera angles and choreography and yet it feels more 'real'.

Black Dynamite Kung Fu.mpg
Youtube RGJGRRERYk4
 
2021-08-17 6:01:36 PM  

Weird Hal: There might be a small spoiler in the photo of the cast at the premier.


that detail made the wiki for that character already as well.
 
2021-08-17 6:05:11 PM  

Lord Bear: Weird Hal: Sample of some of the action:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRDEIHWS​r3I?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]

Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.



I have to say that the clip there wasn't great.  It wasn't as bad as most Marvel action sequences, but a real martial arts movie needs to aim higher than that.

What makes Jackie Chan movies fun is that the fights are immersive, there's weight behind the punches, and Jackie Chan himself gets beat up constantly but still wins through tenacity.  The fights have a sense of place to them - the location matters, not just as scenery.  There's also a logic to the fights.  The camera will stray over to a staircase, and only then will one of the bad guys get kicked down those stairs.  We get, if not foreshadowing, at least enough of a taste of the possible next occurrence in the fight before it happens.  (This is sometimes missing from Jackie Chan's American work, which was often done by directors who didn't quite understand his Chinese films' choreography.)

This scene here just looked like a video game.  No logic.  No weight.  Scenery that didn't look real.

I might still watch and enjoy the movie, but there's a decent chance I'll zone out during the fight scenes like I do during most action films these days.


This is not at all intended to say that American films all have bad fight scenes and Chinese films have good fight scenes.  Heck no!  My girlfriend loves wuxia movies, and I find those to be ridiculously snoozeworthy.  They're all about magical dudes with long hair running over water, spinning in the air like figure skaters, and twirling swords around until the plot dictates that an important character has to die.  There's nothing visceral about those fights at all, and the outcomes are all clearly handed out by authorial fiat rather than by the efforts of the characters.

Japanese films, though, are awesome.  I rarely see a bad fight scene in a Japanese film, and that's even counting low-budget films that otherwise aren't great.


By the way, I'm also not saying I dislike Marvel films.  Far from it!  I just don't like all of the zero-stakes action scenes where one collection of plastic children's action figures has a slap fight with another collection of children's action figures.
 
2021-08-17 6:09:17 PM  

cocozilla: gameshowhost: It sure looks cool.

/not surprised someone mentioned the pacing issue
//has always been a gripe of mine w/ ~some~ asian feature films w/ drawwwwwn out morality tales
///would rather sit 7 hrs for a full kurosawa epic than 3 hrs for what should be a 2 hr flick
//*staring at bong joon-ho in particular*
/nttaww any of the cultural difference. failing to edit films to reasonable lengths otoh...

[Fark user image 850x478]its 3 1/2 hours long and it flies by....such an amazing film


yep
 
2021-08-17 6:21:05 PM  

Lord Bear: Herr Flick's Revenge:
Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.

"He has a background in martial arts such as Taekwondo and Wing Chun, as well as gymnastics.[6]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simu_L​iu
Studying the martial arts doesn't make you a martial artist?

I can legitimately say I have a background in Kung Fu, Karate and gymnastics as well.  I'm not a martial artist.

There is a big difference in watching someone play a martial artist and someone that IS one.  Here is an example.  This is a scene featuring Micheal Jai White, who is a black belt in multiple martial arts.  It looks better than a 200 million dollar marvel movie.  You can tell that he is really doing the moves, and that there is real power behind them (and that he his pulling his punches).  Its a spoof scene, with joke camera angles and choreography and yet it feels more 'real'.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/RGJGRRER​Yk4?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


I love that movie. I love it so much.
 
2021-08-17 6:21:34 PM  
NetOwl:
I have to say that the clip there wasn't great.  It wasn't as bad as most Marvel action sequences, but a real martial arts movie needs to aim higher than that.

What makes Jackie Chan movies fun is that the fights are immersive, there's weight behind the punches, and Jackie Chan himself gets beat up constantly but still wins through tenacity.  The fights have a sense of place to them - the location matters, not just as scenery.  There's also a logic to the fights.  The camera will stray over to a staircase, and only then will one of the bad guys get kicked down those stairs.  We get, if not foreshadowing, at least enough of a taste of the possible next occurrence in the fight before it happens.  (This is sometimes missing from Jackie Chan's American work, which was often done by directors who didn't quite understand his Chinese films' choreography.)

This scene here just looked like a video game.  No logic.  No weight.  Scenery that didn't look real.

I might still watch and enjoy the movie, but there's a decent chance I'll zone out during the fight scenes like I do during most action films these days.


This is not at all intended to say that American films all have bad fight scenes and Chinese films have good fight scenes.  Heck no!  My girlfriend loves wuxia movies, and I find those to be ridiculously snoozeworthy.  They're all about magical dudes with long hair running over water, spinning in the air like figure skaters, and twirling swords around until the plot dictates that an important char ...


The point I was trying to make is that the martial arts look better when done by a martial artist.  The moves just look more real.  It's a spoof fight scene from a low budget comedy movie, and still feels better than a marvel movie.  With a real budget and choreography, it would of course be a lot better.

An actual Jackie Chan style fight scene is a million times more engaging than the strum-un-drang of most action movies nowadays.
 
2021-08-17 6:23:08 PM  
Aren't all these collections of Twitter comments on whatever the latest Marvel movie is always the same?

I'm a big MCU fan, but they're so pointless to read. It's always the same stuff: General gushing and fan-like comments, maybe a mild unspecific criticism that is quickly brushed away with "but it's still the best thing ever!"" and that's about it.

They stopped getting me excited years ago when it became clear they're just a bunch of hand-picked fan "critics" tasked with kick-starting the hype machine.

I love the MCU, but eh. I've no use for breathless hype.
 
2021-08-17 6:35:43 PM  

Lord Bear: Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.


The actor in this also wasn't a martial artist.

Marvel's Daredevil | Hallway Fight Scene [HD] | Netflix
Youtube B66feInucFY


But had a very good stunt coordinator.
 
2021-08-17 6:47:52 PM  
stuartp9:

The actor in this also wasn't a martial artist.

But had a very good stunt coordinator.


I will agree that the hallway fight in Daredevil is pretty awesome.  But if you watch it closely, the actor isn't really doing that much physically impressive.  Also, I believe they used a stuntman in places and covered it up with the mask, lighting and editing.

Daredevil is a brawler, but Shang-Chi is supposed to be Bruce Lee on steroids.  Real life flashy moves in one take should be what they are aiming for.  Instead we get unbelievable CGI.
 
2021-08-17 7:07:35 PM  

Lord Bear: Also, I believe they used a stuntman in places and covered it up with the mask, lighting and editing.


Correct. What'shisname is only in it for portions when you can clearly tell it's him. They swap in a stuntman multiple times. It's really cleverly staged.

They did the same for the stairwell scene in season 2, too.
 
2021-08-17 7:28:55 PM  
Haven't seen it but already sure that it is gonna need more Appa, more Umma, more Janet and moar Ant Man.
 
2021-08-17 7:31:13 PM  
The Steven Seagal cameo was really unexpected...
 
2021-08-17 7:35:09 PM  
i saw snake eyes this morning. i didn't even make it half way
 
2021-08-17 7:46:43 PM  
So what I'm reading is a bunch of people who were personally invited by Marvel and disney, who have a stake in being able to be invited back again by Marvel and disney, say it's amazing. Yep. Seems very unbiased to me
 
2021-08-17 8:39:22 PM  
I'm going to see it and have reasonable expectations I will be very entertained. Feige and crew have earned my trust.
 
2021-08-17 8:58:42 PM  
Jackie Chan - How to Do Action Comedy
Youtube Z1PCtIaM_GQ

Good discussion of Jackie Chan's film fight style.
 
2021-08-17 9:11:11 PM  
So, this guy is basically an Asian Iron Fist?

/it could hardly be worse than Black Widow
 
2021-08-17 9:29:10 PM  

houstondragon: It looks cool and I want to watch it. I refuse to go to a goddamn theater due to the ongoing plague rat infestations.

Your move, Disney.


my country has just farking slammed back into an emergency lockdown and given that it's delta, I don't know that we'll be coming out in 3 days like they've said. Which means I'm going to run the risk of having to wait for Shang Chi to come out on D+ since theaters won't be open.

god dammit covid.
 
2021-08-17 10:38:16 PM  

replacementcool: houstondragon: It looks cool and I want to watch it. I refuse to go to a goddamn theater due to the ongoing plague rat infestations.

Your move, Disney.

my country has just farking slammed back into an emergency lockdown and given that it's delta, I don't know that we'll be coming out in 3 days like they've said. Which means I'm going to run the risk of having to wait for Shang Chi to come out on D+ since theaters won't be open.

god dammit covid.


I assume you are talking about NZ?  With the low vaccination rates in Australia and NZ, I'd be keeping away from theatres anyway.  I only watch using streaming at home now, avoiding large indoor crowds.
 
2021-08-17 10:44:24 PM  
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2021-08-17 10:49:48 PM  

stuartp9: replacementcool: houstondragon: It looks cool and I want to watch it. I refuse to go to a goddamn theater due to the ongoing plague rat infestations.

Your move, Disney.

my country has just farking slammed back into an emergency lockdown and given that it's delta, I don't know that we'll be coming out in 3 days like they've said. Which means I'm going to run the risk of having to wait for Shang Chi to come out on D+ since theaters won't be open.

god dammit covid.

I assume you are talking about NZ?  With the low vaccination rates in Australia and NZ, I'd be keeping away from theatres anyway.  I only watch using streaming at home now, avoiding large indoor crowds.


we haven't had community transmission for almost a year. if there had been movies out, i would've been able to go without any risk at all.
 
2021-08-17 11:07:47 PM  
If it turns out that the Mandrin really was Trevor all along I'm gonna be pissed. And very happy.
 
2021-08-18 12:11:39 AM  
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bring back iron fist?
 
2021-08-18 1:41:54 AM  

sno man: FTFA: "Alot [me: twitch] of praise was given to the action/martial art scenes. One person even described it as "some of the best" action they've seen in the MCU."

Kinda faint praise, no? [ducks]


Clearly, you've missed the Netflix shows.
 
2021-08-18 1:43:46 AM  

Weird Hal: There might be a small spoiler in the photo of the cast at the premier.


You think that's some sort of spoiler?
 
2021-08-18 1:56:12 AM  
Doubt there'll be a 2nd one after Simu Liu's rants against Disney CEO Bob Chapek.
Well they could always recast or say the 1st was an imposter.
 
2021-08-18 3:34:44 AM  

WillofJ2: [denofgeek.com image 768x432]bring back iron fist?


Goddamn that was so farking stupid and I found the rest of the show at least moderately entertaining (almost entirely because of Colleen Wing for pervy and nonpervy reasons). Was that in the comics at some point? I only recall the white suit as a major change to his look.
 
2021-08-18 7:46:49 AM  

Weird Hal: Sample of some of the action:

[YouTube video: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - Official "Scaffolding Escape" Clip (2021) Simu Liu]


"I bet my men they couldn't kill you. I'm glad I was right."

Yeah, bullshiat. There's no way an underling would actually try to kill the boss' son, they'd end up getting killed themselves if they pulled it off. They were pulling their punches.
 
2021-08-18 7:54:22 AM  

Lord Bear: NetOwl:
I have to say that the clip there wasn't great.  It wasn't as bad as most Marvel action sequences, but a real martial arts movie needs to aim higher than that.

What makes Jackie Chan movies fun is that the fights are immersive, there's weight behind the punches, and Jackie Chan himself gets beat up constantly but still wins through tenacity.  The fights have a sense of place to them - the location matters, not just as scenery.  There's also a logic to the fights.  The camera will stray over to a staircase, and only then will one of the bad guys get kicked down those stairs.  We get, if not foreshadowing, at least enough of a taste of the possible next occurrence in the fight before it happens.  (This is sometimes missing from Jackie Chan's American work, which was often done by directors who didn't quite understand his Chinese films' choreography.)

This scene here just looked like a video game.  No logic.  No weight.  Scenery that didn't look real.

I might still watch and enjoy the movie, but there's a decent chance I'll zone out during the fight scenes like I do during most action films these days.


This is not at all intended to say that American films all have bad fight scenes and Chinese films have good fight scenes.  Heck no!  My girlfriend loves wuxia movies, and I find those to be ridiculously snoozeworthy.  They're all about magical dudes with long hair running over water, spinning in the air like figure skaters, and twirling swords around until the plot dictates that an important char ...

The point I was trying to make is that the martial arts look better when done by a martial artist.  The moves just look more real.  It's a spoof fight scene from a low budget comedy movie, and still feels better than a marvel movie.  With a real budget and choreography, it would of course be a lot better.

An actual Jackie Chan style fight scene is a million times more engaging than the strum-un-drang of most action movies nowadays.


Yeah, but studios are not going to risk RDJ or SJ getting their back broken for a realistic fight scene, even if they could actually do the moves.
 
2021-08-18 7:59:37 AM  

kbronsito: Haven't seen it but already sure that it is gonna need more Appa, more Umma, more Janet and moar Ant Man.


Ant Man is in every scene, how much more do you want?
 
2021-08-18 8:14:06 AM  

houstondragon: It looks cool and I want to watch it. I refuse to go to a goddamn theater due to the ongoing plague rat infestations.

Your move, Disney.


Holy sh*t, Disney had better look the f*ck out with that much tuffness.

Lord Bear: Herr Flick's Revenge:
Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.

"He has a background in martial arts such as Taekwondo and Wing Chun, as well as gymnastics.[6]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simu_L​iu
Studying the martial arts doesn't make you a martial artist?

I can legitimately say I have a background in Kung Fu, Karate and gymnastics as well.  I'm not a martial artist.

There is a big difference in watching someone play a martial artist and someone that IS one.  Here is an example.  This is a scene featuring Micheal Jai White, who is a black belt in multiple martial arts.  It looks better than a 200 million dollar marvel movie.  You can tell that he is really doing the moves, and that there is real power behind them (and that he his pulling his punches).  Its a spoof scene, with joke camera angles and choreography and yet it feels more 'real'.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/RGJGRRER​Yk4?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


I'm a simple man, I always upvote Black Dynamite.
 
2021-08-18 8:27:25 AM  
How are their lawyers ok with theater only release when their justification for farking over Scarlett is COVID? It's only gotten worse since her movie.
 
2021-08-18 8:30:32 AM  

Lord Bear: The point I was trying to make is that the martial arts look better when done by a martial artist.  The moves just look more real.  It's a spoof fight scene from a low budget comedy movie, and still feels better than a marvel movie.  With a real budget and choreography, it would of course be a lot better.


Then just watch actual fights.  Why would you want to watch someone act poorly?
 
2021-08-18 10:07:11 AM  
LL316:
Then just watch actual fights.  Why would you want to watch someone act poorly?

No one is going to marvel movies for the acting.  They go for story and action.  I'd rather see a good action scene than a master level acting class in a marvel movie.

There are martial artists that can act reasonably well.  Especially if a director knows how to utilize them.  Schwarzenegger wasn't much of an actor in his early movies, and many of them are classics.
 
2021-08-18 10:28:03 AM  

Lord Bear: Weird Hal: Sample of some of the action:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LRDEIHWS​r3I?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]

Ugh, kind of what I figured, a highly edited cgi fest.  I kind of lost hope for this movie when they got an actor to play Shang-Chi instead of a martial artist.

I guess i'll just go watch some old Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan or Jet Li stuff instead.


Jackie is not the example you want, he, Sammo Hung and Yuan Biao were all trained as an actors as well as martial arts. Lee and Li were martial artist first a foremost. Donny Yen is the same,
 
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