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(Salon)   President Biden (on the Afghan withdraw): All we did is spend 20 years flexing our muscles, with little to show for it. It's time to go home   (salon.com) divider line
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2021-08-17 10:27:23 AM  
There will be damn little home going.
Next war is due in two weeks.
 
2021-08-17 10:28:59 AM  
BTW, maybe it will be at home.
 
2021-08-17 10:32:29 AM  
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We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it
 
2021-08-17 10:32:39 AM  

snocone: BTW, maybe it will be at home.


Are you threatening me? Guess I'd better start acquiring nukes just in case.
 
2021-08-17 10:43:36 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it


He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.
 
2021-08-17 10:49:04 AM  

dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.


Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something
 
2021-08-17 10:57:28 AM  

TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something


Maybe. I'm cynical enough to think it's more a partisan blindness thing. Nixon somehow became a martyr for the same people who will be dragging Biden through the dirt for the next three years.
 
2021-08-17 11:03:54 AM  
We'll forget we were in Afghanistan soon enough.  After all, we forgot when we invaded Iraq in 2003.
 
2021-08-17 11:05:26 AM  

TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something


Obama was not really all that great... it is just that everyone else sucked so damn much he looked great by comparison.

/Would vote for him again if we could.
 
2021-08-17 11:06:46 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.


The Military-Industrial-Complex would like a word...
 
2021-08-17 11:07:05 AM  
What "little to show for it" might look like:

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2021-08-17 11:07:24 AM  
Good.
 
2021-08-17 11:07:32 AM  

TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something


It didn't help that Teddy Kennedy had it out for Carter.  Teddy though he had next, was pissed when Carter beat him in the primary, and actively undermined Carter's presidency.

Hard to be a good President when your own party is sabotaging you.

/Teddy Kennedy was an asshole
//Also Chappaquidick
///fark Teddy Kennedy even though he's dead
 
2021-08-17 11:07:38 AM  

dv-ous: TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something

Maybe. I'm cynical enough to think it's more a partisan blindness thing. Nixon somehow became a martyr for the same people who will be dragging Biden through the dirt for the next three years.


The only way for anything good to happen is if a Republican does it.  Democrats will agree to anything that is actually good and Republicans will only agree with things Republicans do.

Unfortunately, Republicans are terrible people so very little good will ever be accomplished going forward.
 
2021-08-17 11:07:57 AM  
He's right. And watching the withering, wall-to-wall negative coverage on Morning Joe this am, don't EVER tell me that "MSNBC is the Fox News of the left" again.
 
2021-08-17 11:08:31 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: What "little to show for it" might look like:

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How many more years should we have stayed?
 
2021-08-17 11:08:35 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: What "little to show for it" might look like:

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Listen, if American companies couldn't set up shop in the 20 years we were there, they're not going to get those minerals in the next 20 years.

We shouldn't be going back.
 
2021-08-17 11:09:04 AM  
Unwinnable war remains unwinnable.
 
2021-08-17 11:09:25 AM  
In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

/attributed to George Orwell but from what I can tell, it can't be verified
 
2021-08-17 11:09:50 AM  
We should send the GOP over to Afghanistan since they have pretty much the same ideologies and goals for governance as the Taliban.
 
2021-08-17 11:09:53 AM  

Rev.K: Unwinnable war remains unwinnable.


It wasn't about "winning," it was about resource mining.
 
2021-08-17 11:10:35 AM  

TwoHead: snocone: BTW, maybe it will be at home.

Are you threatening me? Guess I'd better start acquiring nukes just in case.


SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
 
2021-08-17 11:11:03 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: We'll forget we were in Afghanistan soon enough.  After all, we forgot when we invaded Iraq in 2003.


Obama's biggest blunder.
 
2021-08-17 11:11:21 AM  
We wasted $1 TRILLION in taxpayer money, massacred a bunch of innocents, caused irrevocable harm to both civilians and troops, but hey, to err is human.

Kudos to Biden for standing up and going forward with this, plenty of government and media turds going mental, but the US should've been out of there in freaking 2009 or earlier.
 
2021-08-17 11:11:47 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it


Even if you agree that we should have left.  You have to admit that the way the dems have done it is wrong and is getting people killed.  This has been handled badly from the time Biden announced the date.  Democrats show their complete incompetence and you sheeple still defend them.
 
2021-08-17 11:11:49 AM  
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And we're full speed ahead into the next foreign policy as culture war fight.

Taking bets on the day Carlson explicitly mentions the Day of the Rope.
 
2021-08-17 11:11:58 AM  
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Also.... not wrong.
 
2021-08-17 11:12:00 AM  
Ted Kennedy has nothing on what Chase Bank did to sabotage the Carter administration

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics​/​politics/a30363291/jimmy-carter-shah-i​ran-hostage-crisis-ronald-reagan/
 
2021-08-17 11:12:33 AM  

jethroe: We wasted $1 TRILLION in taxpayer money, massacred a bunch of innocents, caused irrevocable harm to both civilians and troops, but hey, to err is human.

Kudos to Biden for standing up and going forward with this, plenty of government and media turds going mental, but the US should've been out of there in freaking 2009 or earlier.


"Thanks Obama?"
 
2021-08-17 11:12:54 AM  

TwoHead: Are you threatening me?


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2021-08-17 11:13:00 AM  

dv-ous: TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something

Maybe. I'm cynical enough to think it's more a partisan blindness thing. Nixon somehow became a martyr for the same people who will be dragging Biden through the dirt for the next three years.


I'm trying to think of what it looks like four months from now, when there's general Taliban chaos and sharia, maybe there are fox news reports of ISIS 2.0, maybe some smuggling conflict with Pakistan. There will be bad press, but does it matter?

Joe Biden's philosophy seems to be he shouldn't be judged for the activities in Afghanistan because we aren't there anymore. I agree but it's hard not to think of it as something we are responsible for. Having made the choice to pull out he will be forever compared to the former status quo of staying.

Certainly this week as time goes on I am less concerned with how we executed the withdrawal as I've been able to understand more how that country was totally farked.

We'll have to see. It doesn't bother me one bit that we left and it makes me laugh that Afghanistan is now a popular topic after being written out of political discourse for the better part of the last ten years.
 
2021-08-17 11:13:10 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: We'll forget we were in Afghanistan soon enough.  After all, we forgot when we invaded Iraq in 2003.

Obama's biggest blunder.


And just where the hell was he on 9/11? Pretty suspicious...
 
2021-08-17 11:13:21 AM  

dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.


The GQP will sure try, but it remains to see if it will stick.
 
2021-08-17 11:13:50 AM  
I disagree, we should have spent another 20 years, another Trillion Dollars, and a few thousand American lives - And THEN they would have loved us! They would forget being occupied by a foreign army for 4 decades and just magically decide they love capitalism, democracy and equality for every race, gender, and Creed.
Yep... Just a few trillion more and another couple of decades.
That would have done it...
 
2021-08-17 11:14:04 AM  

SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it


Yeah, but will no one think about the war profiteers and Erik Prince's would-be Team America private army?!

What are they supposed to spend trillions on? Healthcare?!

/This ain't on Biden
//It's not even really on Trump (other than grifting)
 
2021-08-17 11:14:30 AM  
I'm glad we're out.

Now instead of spending money to blow up sand and rock into smaller pieces of sand and rock, maybe we can spend that on taking care of the veterans from this and Iraq.
 
2021-08-17 11:15:09 AM  

misanthropicsob: Rev.K: Unwinnable war remains unwinnable.

It wasn't about "winning," it was about resource mining.


The problem is that to get anything in or out of Afganistan, you are going to have to truck it through thousand hairpin turns and high mountain passes each one controlled by different clan chief who all hate each other. Paying them all of is not cost efficient and there is no subjugating these people. Without full scale genocide, you are not getting your minerals.
 
2021-08-17 11:15:16 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: What "little to show for it" might look like:

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It was an illusion.
 
2021-08-17 11:15:39 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: We'll forget we were in Afghanistan soon enough.  After all, we forgot when we invaded Iraq in 2003.


We did what?
 
2021-08-17 11:15:44 AM  

pxsteel: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

Even if you agree that we should have left.  You have to admit that the way the dems have done it is wrong and is getting people killed.  This has been handled badly from the time Biden announced the date.  Democrats show their complete incompetence and you sheeple still defend them.


Those Dems are so incompetent, we should have given Trump a second term, he was JUST ABOUT to turn things around....you know, after his latest rage tweet fit and after barging in on three or four more teenage pageant dressing rooms.
 
2021-08-17 11:15:59 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: What "little to show for it" might look like:

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You're free to start a nonprofit and take responsibility for the education of Afghan girls. Just get enough donors, and deploy your own security force to protect them.
 
2021-08-17 11:16:21 AM  

pxsteel: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

Even if you agree that we should have left.  You have to admit that the way the dems have done it is wrong and is getting people killed.  This has been handled badly from the time Biden announced the date.  Democrats show their complete incompetence and you sheeple still defend them.


If you imagine you could have done better you are dumber than you sound.
 
2021-08-17 11:16:28 AM  

Subtonic: ArcadianRefugee: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: We'll forget we were in Afghanistan soon enough.  After all, we forgot when we invaded Iraq in 2003.

Obama's biggest blunder.

And just where the hell was he on 9/11? Pretty suspicious...



He went to great lengths to distract the public after his tragic mishandling of hurricane Katrina
 
2021-08-17 11:16:29 AM  

dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.


I dont think it will be as bad. We have had 45+ years now of those disingenuous arguments. In the end the only people buying it are the cultists that want to believe the lies.
 
2021-08-17 11:16:36 AM  

IndyJohn: TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something

It didn't help that Teddy Kennedy had it out for Carter.  Teddy though he had next, was pissed when Carter beat him in the primary, and actively undermined Carter's presidency.

Hard to be a good President when your own party is sabotaging you.

/Teddy Kennedy was an asshole
//Also Chappaquidick
///fark Teddy Kennedy even though he's dead



Ted was big on getting Obamacare through, so that counts.
Re: Chappaquiddick: JFC. It was farking 52 farking years ago. Who the fark cares anymore?
 
2021-08-17 11:17:11 AM  

SpectroBoy: It was an illusion.


Not an illusion; merely transient.

Like the human species.
 
2021-08-17 11:17:13 AM  
"Flexing our muscles for 20 years" sounds like we've had to be at the gym in 26 minutes for s generation
 
2021-08-17 11:17:13 AM  

fat_free: IndyJohn: TuckFrump: dv-ous: SpaceMonkey-66: [Fark user image 425x317]

We should not try to be the worlds' policeman.  Fit sure, we can't afford it

He is, but he's going to be crucified for this just like Carter.

Carter was not a strong leader. He was and is a great humanitarian, but IMHO, a piss-poor President. Biden has 8 years of serving under one of the best Presidents in modern history, so hopefully he learned something

It didn't help that Teddy Kennedy had it out for Carter.  Teddy though he had next, was pissed when Carter beat him in the primary, and actively undermined Carter's presidency.

Hard to be a good President when your own party is sabotaging you.

/Teddy Kennedy was an asshole
//Also Chappaquidick
///fark Teddy Kennedy even though he's dead


Ted was big on getting Obamacare through, so that counts.
Re: Chappaquiddick: JFC. It was farking 52 farking years ago. Who the fark cares anymore?


Old guard Republicans?
 
2021-08-17 11:17:21 AM  
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2021-08-17 11:17:54 AM  
England fought 3 farking wars there over the course of 100 years and left with neither shiat nor shinola
 
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