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2021-08-16 1:53:14 PM  
There's space between the cars in the photo. There's no way that's L.A.
 
2021-08-16 2:07:56 PM  
Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.
 
2021-08-16 2:20:07 PM  
This has a certain musk about it.
 
2021-08-16 2:24:51 PM  

Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.


I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.
 
2021-08-16 2:25:01 PM  
Unanswered in the article:  Is AutoPilot more likely to strike a stationary vehicle than a human driver?  I mean it's right and proper to investigate every accident to improve these systems, but how much should I be worried about them as someone who is sharing the road with them.  It's not as if human drivers are some gold standard for driving safety.
 
2021-08-16 2:25:06 PM  
Not as many deaths as the Ford Pinto. They won't issue a recall.
 
2021-08-16 2:48:45 PM  

Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.


this
it is a stupid idea
 
2021-08-16 2:49:56 PM  
I take that back
stupid people use it stupidly
It's like cruise control I guess, great in light traffic on a long highway, shiat in downtown traffic
 
2021-08-16 2:50:43 PM  

the unabomber was right: Not as many deaths as the Ford Pinto. They won't issue a recall.


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2021-08-16 2:58:25 PM  
Still waiting for the insurances to become active. Feels like all of this is noise until an actuary gets involved.
 
2021-08-16 3:07:44 PM  
I miss the automakers who were great humanitarians like Henry Ford
 
2021-08-16 3:21:46 PM  
Tesla stock dropped 3.71% over the last three days, not exactly cratering.

The only things I'd like in my car is cruise control, auto braking and auto dimming of headlights.

I have neither.
 
2021-08-16 3:22:39 PM  
Stock went from 720 to 680. That is not cratering.
 
2021-08-16 3:28:02 PM  

FarkingChas: Stock went from 720 to 680. That is not cratering.


All the way back to its price of 10 days ago.
 
2021-08-16 3:32:29 PM  

Maturin: I miss the automakers who were great humanitarians like Henry Ford


Crazy Ol' Henry wasn't the only one.    Prior to Depression 1.0 you didn't just walk into a Cadillac dealership.   At the time Cadillac was pretty much a bespoke car brand that offered cars with 12 and 16 cylinder engines.  To purchase a Cadillac one needed to make an appointment, and if one didn't have a proper WASP name, one wasn't getting an appointment.

Cadillac V-16:  Quality cars for 'respectable'  customers.

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2021-08-16 3:47:02 PM  

OhioUGrad: The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.


I have a 2019 Insight. It has read "100 km/h" from some numbers on the side of an electrical transformer box at my condo. It also once read a speed limit from a phone number on the side of a delivery van I was next to at a stoplight.
 
2021-08-16 4:03:43 PM  
Maybe letting the boss do code commits straight to production is not a good method of addressing software problems.
 
2021-08-16 4:21:33 PM  

Ivo Shandor: OhioUGrad: The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

I have a 2019 Insight. It has read "100 km/h" from some numbers on the side of an electrical transformer box at my condo. It also once read a speed limit from a phone number on the side of a delivery van I was next to at a stoplight.


I mean it's impressive for what it can do, and it can be helpful, but it's a tool to aid a driver, not to do anything more than that.
 
2021-08-16 4:41:51 PM  

Fissile: Maturin: I miss the automakers who were great humanitarians like Henry Ford

Crazy Ol' Henry wasn't the only one.    Prior to Depression 1.0 you didn't just walk into a Cadillac dealership.   At the time Cadillac was pretty much a bespoke car brand that offered cars with 12 and 16 cylinder engines.  To purchase a Cadillac one needed to make an appointment, and if one didn't have a proper WASP name, one wasn't getting an appointment.

Cadillac V-16:  Quality cars for 'respectable'  customers.

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...an' der "associates"...:-)
 
2021-08-16 4:56:00 PM  
I might like to point out that Tesla stock is down 4.4% as of this post. That's not exactly cratering. I might also like to point out that Autopilot crashes are increasing in frequency because the number of Teslas on the road is increasing. I might like to point that out, but I won't because I don't want to be called a weird nerd. This deadline is clearly "reasonable criticism."
 
2021-08-16 4:57:27 PM  
I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.
 
2021-08-16 5:02:53 PM  

OhioUGrad: Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.

I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.


I only use the lane assist on my car when on long drives as a fail safe.
 
2021-08-16 5:24:03 PM  

rummonkey: OhioUGrad: Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.

I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.

I only use the lane assist on my car when on long drives as a fail safe.


Definitely better than those ruts outside of the lanes!
 
2021-08-16 5:54:39 PM  

Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.


I cannot understand Musk's obsession with turning a great driving experience (no, I do not own one*) into a taxi.  Adaptive cruise control and emergency braking make sense, but the rest of it? Nope.

I know a couple people who have Teslas and none of them trust Autopilot.  Plus, they bought the cars to drive, not ride around like a sack of potatoes.

*I do own TSLA
 
2021-08-16 6:20:25 PM  

Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.


Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.
 
2021-08-16 6:51:47 PM  

pehvbot: Unanswered in the article:  Is AutoPilot more likely to strike a stationary vehicle than a human driver?  I mean it's right and proper to investigate every accident to improve these systems, but how much should I be worried about them as someone who is sharing the road with them.  It's not as if human drivers are some gold standard for driving safety.


I'm going to go with yes, because the way the software works is that it ignores stationary objects by default. That's great for cars parked in the breakdown lane and road signs, but it's not a great strategy for avoiding accidents or emergency vehicles in the road.
 
2021-08-16 7:00:10 PM  

Karne: Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.

Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.


I said I'm no longer as concerned. But nice try.
 
2021-08-16 8:25:56 PM  

Karne: Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.

Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.


The first step to this would be to create a special lane for driverless vehicles that minimizes things that could make the programming go wrong and mitigate the damage if it manages to do so anyway. For example a 1 lane each way with large concrete berms on the sides to keep most things out and vehicles in. I'd suggest metal filings in the berms and a magnetometer,rather than a camera, on the truck. You'd still need a driver to get the truck to the entry point of these roads. However, this sin't going to happen because it requires infrastructure, which we are SO very good at building.
 
2021-08-16 9:15:21 PM  
I own a Tesla.  The autopilot is awesome but there is a warning when you turn it on that says to pay attention to the road.  Plus, you need to verify that you're paying attention every 20-30 seconds.  The people that are hitting shiat aren't paying attention and are finding ways to get around the steering wheel bump the system wants every 20-30 seconds.  This isn't a Tesla issue, it's an idiot driver issue.
 
2021-08-16 9:34:30 PM  

HeadbangerSmurf: I own a Tesla.  The autopilot is awesome but there is a warning when you turn it on that says to pay attention to the road.  Plus, you need to verify that you're paying attention every 20-30 seconds.  The people that are hitting shiat aren't paying attention and are finding ways to get around the steering wheel bump the system wants every 20-30 seconds.  This isn't a Tesla issue, it's an idiot driver issue.


You're lucky it's so late in the thread. This is grounds for a dogpile otherwise.
 
2021-08-16 9:43:37 PM  

Esroc: Karne: Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.

Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.

I said I'm no longer as concerned. But nice try.


Last mile is a long way off, but automated interstate trucking is just a couple of years out. No human driver can compete against an AI that's more than happy to chug along at 60MPH in the right lane 23 hours a day.
 
2021-08-16 9:52:22 PM  

Karne: Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.

Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.


At the rate that this technology is "improving" this guy is going to be able to retire due to age before a working model is released.
 
2021-08-17 12:03:52 AM  

rummonkey: Karne: Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.

Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.

At the rate that this technology is "improving" this guy is going to be able to retire due to age before a working model is released.


I have Sprint (due to family plan)

Ask me how many texts they drop.

Technology is not what most people think it is - it's mostly just shiny stuff designed to take your money. And the more complex a system or machine, the more chances for failure.

I hate how much tech has permeated our daily lives and try to minimize it's use, other than Fark or other reading.

Even then. Autocorrect gave me dark instead of Fark. And just did it again LOL...

It's not being built for you, consumerist. It's being built for your masters.
 
2021-08-17 12:20:10 AM  
Stocks are the preferred way for billionaires to rip off the rest of us. I hope they all go to zero.
 
2021-08-17 3:32:10 AM  

ImpendingCynic: There's space between the cars in the photo. There's no way that's L.A.


LOL QFT
 
2021-08-17 6:23:33 AM  

pehvbot: Is AutoPilot more likely to strike a stationary vehicle than a human driver?


[Adorable_Mexican_Girl.jpeg] Por que no los dos?
 
2021-08-17 8:26:02 AM  

OhioUGrad: Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.

I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.


You haven't driven a Tesla then.

Autopilot is very good which is part of why it's a problem. People relax too much.

That said, the article is still FUD since these same problems do exist in similar systems but they are singling out Tesla in particular.

Also other studies show that these systems are still safer than human drivers.
 
2021-08-17 8:33:48 AM  

rummonkey: Karne: Esroc: I rented a Tesla coming out of Atlanta once and when I turned the autopilot on it lasted about 15 minutes before trying to randomly careen off the shoulder of I-75.

I used to be concerned that automation was coming for my job as a truck driver. I'm no longer as concerned.

Because technology NEVER improves.  Your job is safe forever.  Make no changes in your life.

At the rate that this technology is "improving" this guy is going to be able to retire due to age before a working model is released.


Yep. It hasn't improved at all. No sir. We haven't gone from basically zero lane keeping systems in 10 years ago to having them in almost every new car.

I definitely didn't drive 1500 miles on vacation almost exclusively letting the car handle the interstate.

/ how's that onion on your belt?
 
2021-08-17 8:37:20 AM  

Likwit: HeadbangerSmurf: I own a Tesla.  The autopilot is awesome but there is a warning when you turn it on that says to pay attention to the road.  Plus, you need to verify that you're paying attention every 20-30 seconds.  The people that are hitting shiat aren't paying attention and are finding ways to get around the steering wheel bump the system wants every 20-30 seconds.  This isn't a Tesla issue, it's an idiot driver issue.

You're lucky it's so late in the thread. This is grounds for a dogpile otherwise.


Tesla threads are so weird and I generally stay out of them. There's definitely no shortage of onions on belts here.

Especially funny when the same people biatching about how awful Tesla is are swooning over rockets in the SpaceX threads.
 
2021-08-17 8:38:49 AM  

cfreak: OhioUGrad: Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.

I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.

You haven't driven a Tesla then.

Autopilot is very good which is part of why it's a problem. People relax too much.

That said, the article is still FUD since these same problems do exist in similar systems but they are singling out Tesla in particular.

Also other studies show that these systems are still safer than human drivers.


Oh, please. This is nothing more than Tesla marketing. Same as Apple markets their products as "elite" when they aren't. Tesla is marketing it as autopilot while other automakers are marketing them as driving aids. It's all the same shiat in a different package. The only real difference may be that Tesla has more cameras installed versus traditional vehicles who aren't touting a self-driving package.

In the FUTURE, yes, they will be safer than humans, now, no.
 
2021-08-17 8:41:56 AM  

OhioUGrad: cfreak: OhioUGrad: Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.

I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.

You haven't driven a Tesla then.

Autopilot is very good which is part of why it's a problem. People relax too much.

That said, the article is still FUD since these same problems do exist in similar systems but they are singling out Tesla in particular.

Also other studies show that these systems are still safer than human drivers.

Oh, please. This is nothing more than Tesla marketing. Same as Apple markets their products as "elite" when they aren't. Tesla is marketing it as autopilot while other automakers are marketing them as driving aids. It's all the same shiat in a different package. The only real difference may be that Tesla has more cameras installed versus traditional vehicles who aren't touting a self-driving package.

In the FUTURE, yes, they will be safer than humans, now, no.


Mercedes calls their system DrivePilot and they market as Level 3. It is not. Honda calls one of their systems Traffic Jam Pilot and they market as Level 3. It is not.
 
2021-08-17 8:44:17 AM  
All my cars have roll-up windows so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2021-08-17 8:52:05 AM  

OhioUGrad: cfreak: OhioUGrad: Badmoodman: Surefire workaround to avoid Tesla's Autopilot shortcomings:

Don't use it.

I don't even understand the appeal of it. I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid Touring that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control and also displays the speed limit in the heads up display on the windshield...and NONE of those work to a point where I'd trust it to do anything.

Lane keep assist doesn't correctly read lines and I had numerous incidents on the highway where it would read those large skid marks from tractor-trailers as a lane and try to "correct"

Adaptive cruise control will really slam on the brakes when a car is getting into a cut over (those extra lanes that can pop up to turn) which really farks with people behind you, and it won't speed up until that car has turned

The reading of speed limit signs...I was driving into downtown Columbus one day, in construction, and it read the speed limit sign as saying "100 MPH". Now it doesn't use that to control speed, but the fact that it said 45 and it read that as 100 (no other signs around) would be terrifying if you were relying on that to control the speed of your car, especially going into DOWNTOWN when it abruptly turns to 25.

People using the tech are idiots if they don't turn it off or keep their hands on the wheel/feet on the pedals. Tesla should disable it because that shiat isn't going to be ready for probably another decade.

You haven't driven a Tesla then.

Autopilot is very good which is part of why it's a problem. People relax too much.

That said, the article is still FUD since these same problems do exist in similar systems but they are singling out Tesla in particular.

Also other studies show that these systems are still safer than human drivers.

Oh, please. This is nothing more than Tesla marketing. Same as Apple markets their products as "elite" when they aren't. Tesla is marketing it as autopilot while other automakers are marketing them as driving aids. It's all the same shiat in a different package. The only real difference may be that Tesla has more cameras installed versus traditional vehicles who aren't touting a self-driving package.

In the FUTURE, yes, they will be safer than humans, now, no.


Ah yes the nebulous "future" where all technology is perfect.  Note that I didn't say anything about Tesla being safer, I said these types of systems are safer. All of them.

Did I say they were perfect or that users shouldn't pay attention? No.

What I am saying is that humans vastly overestimate their driving abilities and underestimate the capabilities of these systems.

The idea we should abandon a technology because it messed up a few times is rich coming from humans who manage to kill 40 thousand, year over year, in the US alone.
 
2021-08-17 10:07:28 AM  
Interesting, I don't see any mention of Tesla's crash test scores.
 
2021-08-17 12:07:12 PM  

Marksrevenge: Interesting, I don't see any mention of Tesla's crash test scores.


So, it's OK if Teslas crash into stationary vehicles because it's safe for the Tesla occupants?
 
2021-08-17 12:55:36 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Marksrevenge: Interesting, I don't see any mention of Tesla's crash test scores.

So, it's OK if Teslas crash into stationary vehicles because it's safe for the Tesla occupants?


It's safer if someone crashes into you, which is far more likely than the Tesla driving itself into something.

I'm not saying they've got everything perfect, but a Tesla thread with safety mentioned in the title maybe should acknowledge their great safety scores and rollover resistance.
 
2021-08-17 2:21:00 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Marksrevenge: Interesting, I don't see any mention of Tesla's crash test scores.

So, it's OK if Teslas crash into stationary vehicles because it's safe for the Tesla occupants?


A whole lot of people buy vehicles based on that idea. The ones with the big pickup trucks and oversized SUV. They want to be safe in an accident and fark the others. Methinks they are more likely to be the ones to cause an accident. Because they are entitled to use their phones while driving.
 
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