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2021-08-14 10:02:10 AM  
A lot of them do come to the United States, too, where they would have much freedom as they possibly can have here.
 
2021-08-14 11:02:20 AM  
Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.
 
2021-08-14 11:17:50 AM  
Victor, a 28-year-old IT professional, likewise blamed the worsening political environment for his departure. "...I want to be somewhere where there is democracy," he said.

So, America is off the list.
 
2021-08-14 11:24:36 AM  

Cafe Threads: Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.


How long does it take to build a wall?
 
2021-08-14 11:30:24 AM  

austerity101: Cafe Threads: Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.

How long does it take to build a wall?


Physical or metaphorical?

The Berlin wall went up almost as fast as the Taliban is retaking Afghanistan.
 
2021-08-14 11:30:25 AM  

kdawg7736: A lot of them do come to the United States, too, where they would have much freedom as they possibly can have here.



The UK is far, far easier, given Hong Kong British Overseas National is an entire specific category of British nationality.

The US is only really an option to study or if you have a pre-existing job offer.
 
2021-08-14 11:31:53 AM  

Riche: austerity101: Cafe Threads: Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.

How long does it take to build a wall?

Physical or metaphorical?

The Berlin wall went up almost as fast as the Taliban is retaking Afghanistan.


My point is that the reunification is what caused the problem on this case, whereas it was the solution for Berlin.
 
2021-08-14 11:34:09 AM  
I want Canada to offer Hong Kongers citizenship as well. That the UK is being so logical, and forward-thinking, is a bit of a shock in the Brexit Era. I'm jelly that their government is doing The Right Thing For Once.
 
2021-08-14 11:34:55 AM  
I have a brother who has been teaching English in Hong Kong for about 20 years -- him and his significant other are making plans to re-locate to London soon.

Hong Kong as we've known it is over.
 
2021-08-14 11:37:03 AM  

RasIanI: I have a brother who has been teaching English in Hong Kong for about 20 years -- him and his significant other are making plans to re-locate to London soon.

Hong Kong as we've known it is over.


Sadly, this.
 
2021-08-14 11:37:55 AM  
The Uyghur Holiday Camps are accepting reservations if they want to stay in the region.
 
2021-08-14 11:38:28 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: I want Canada to offer Hong Kongers citizenship as well. That the UK is being so logical, and forward-thinking, is a bit of a shock in the Brexit Era. I'm jelly that their government is doing The Right Thing For Once.



I wouldn't put it down entirely to benevolence, I suspect there would be legal grounds under the 1997 Sino-British Joint Declaration should a rich Hongkoner choose to sue... this created a controlled entry system, rather than a flood gate should that have been lost by the government.
 
2021-08-14 11:39:19 AM  

kdawg7736: A lot of them do come to the United States, too, where they would have much freedom as they possibly can have here.


If I were Chinese that last place I would come is to the US unless it were NYC or the Bay Area.  Racism is at al all time here especially because of the "COVID-19".
 
2021-08-14 11:40:04 AM  

Cafe Threads: Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.


I'm glad that got pointed out.

China under its current president seems to be quickly devolving to just another dictatorship.

China can't isolate its population like Best Korea and remain engaged with the world economy so they're going to have a huge challenge keeping control. They're making clever use of technology to help, but we will just have to see how that works out over the long term.
 
2021-08-14 11:40:52 AM  

Bungles: Bennie Crabtree: I want Canada to offer Hong Kongers citizenship as well. That the UK is being so logical, and forward-thinking, is a bit of a shock in the Brexit Era. I'm jelly that their government is doing The Right Thing For Once.


I wouldn't put it down entirely to benevolence, I suspect there would be legal grounds under the 1997 Sino-British Joint Declaration should a rich Hongkoner choose to sue... this created a controlled entry system, rather than a flood gate should that have been lost by the government.


Oh, maybe! Good point. Well then, hat tip to the Hong Konger who negotiated that clause a century ago!
 
2021-08-14 11:45:26 AM  

Cafe Threads: Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.


But only after the complete economic collapse of the USSR and a disaster (Chernobyl) that the state media was not able to cover up.  Both caused the population to finally loose faith in the Soviet Block Gov'ts.  And the party's ruling members were unable to keep enough of the military loyal to prevent the eventual coup.
 
2021-08-14 11:45:36 AM  

austerity101: Riche: austerity101: Cafe Threads: Of course they can. Even the Berlin Wall fell.

It took three decades, but it did fall.

How long does it take to build a wall?

Physical or metaphorical?

The Berlin wall went up almost as fast as the Taliban is retaking Afghanistan.

My point is that the reunification is what caused the problem on this case, whereas it was the solution for Berlin.


Oh, I missed your point.

Interesting, though.

Come to think of it, forced integration of the HK population could potentially be a significant destabilizing influence.
 
2021-08-14 11:46:47 AM  
This was inevitable the moment the British gave it back to China. They can just play the long game in assimilation, having been around nearly as long as the ancient Egyptians
🤷
 
2021-08-14 12:04:35 PM  
Hong Kong won't be the same anyway. I won't miss the region too much when I leave with my wife and kids.

Leaving my friends and extended community behind ... all my good memories of my life in HK, that will be the sad part, knowing there will be no more of it. I'll just have to build new ones with new friends and new communities elsewhere.
 
2021-08-14 12:04:47 PM  

Bungles: kdawg7736: A lot of them do come to the United States, too, where they would have much freedom as they possibly can have here.


The UK is far, far easier, given Hong Kong British Overseas National is an entire specific category of British nationality.

The US is only really an option to study or if you have a pre-existing job offer.


Correct, I know quite a few BBCs (British born Chinese, their own term btw), they seem to adapt to the UK very nicely and assimilate very well too. One friend I know has one of the broadest Northern Irish accent I have ever heard, people are surprised by it, he is amused by the reaction, he was 3 when he arrived in Belfast.
 
2021-08-14 12:06:32 PM  

austerity101: My point is that the reunification is what caused the problem on this case, whereas it was the solution for Berlin.


so colonialism is good?
 
2021-08-14 12:07:52 PM  

theflatline: If I were Chinese that last place I would come is to the US unless it were NYC or the Bay Area.  Racism is at al all time here especially because of the "COVID-19".


you are experiencing a lot of presentism
 
2021-08-14 12:07:56 PM  

sprgrss: austerity101: My point is that the reunification is what caused the problem on this case, whereas it was the solution for Berlin.

so colonialism is good?


Not even trying today, are you?
 
2021-08-14 12:21:28 PM  

DarwiOdrade: sprgrss: austerity101: My point is that the reunification is what caused the problem on this case, whereas it was the solution for Berlin.

so colonialism is good?

Not even trying today, are you?


He just threw the pole in the water and I'm not even motivated enough to find the image.
 
2021-08-14 12:44:56 PM  
It's pretty sad when life is better under and occupying power than with your native nation.
 
2021-08-14 12:57:31 PM  

kdawg7736: A lot of them do come to the United States


[citation needed]

The US turned back Jews fleeing Nazis; I doubt it's accepting HK citizens as refugees.
 
2021-08-14 1:24:28 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: kdawg7736: A lot of them do come to the United States

[citation needed]

The US turned back Jews fleeing Nazis; I doubt it's accepting HK citizens as refugees.


I hope you realize that American immigration laws have changed a lot since the 1940s.
 
2021-08-14 1:26:07 PM  
China wants complete control over Hong Kong for the same reason they want to control Taiwan. Both those places are a constant, embarrassing reminder to China of what it could have been if they hadn't embraced all that Marxist/Maoist bullshiat. A reminder of all their wasted time, money, resources and lives. The government would love to conquer Taiwan, assimilate it and make its history their own. They don't innovate, they assimilate.

They will descend on Hong Kong like a swarm of locusts, strip it of everything not tied down and then paper the whole place over with CCP propaganda.
 
2021-08-14 1:30:49 PM  
Cache:

Democracy is a lie
 
2021-08-14 1:33:11 PM  
RasIanI:

It's been over since the hand over.

And I've lived in the mainland for ten years.

When Hu left, and Princes of the party took back control it was just more obvious.
 
2021-08-14 1:34:59 PM  
So, all those empty condos in Vancouver will finally start to fill up?
 
2021-08-14 1:35:01 PM  
kayanlau:

When I left the mainland I felt the same, It just change too rapidly under Pooh.
 
2021-08-14 1:35:37 PM  
awruk!:

That's the mainlanders
 
2021-08-14 1:39:20 PM  

AuralArgument: awruk!:

That's the mainlanders


Probably, but Hongkongers have money too. And they must have seen it coming since the Brits went away.
 
2021-08-14 1:45:44 PM  
The CCP is hurting itself when it hurts HK.
 
2021-08-14 1:56:46 PM  

sprgrss: Commander Lysdexic: kdawg7736: A lot of them do come to the United States

[citation needed]

The US turned back Jews fleeing Nazis; I doubt it's accepting HK citizens as refugees.

I hope you realize that American immigration laws have changed a lot since the 1940s.


They've gotten tighter and more restrictive?
 
2021-08-14 3:15:51 PM  
There not much to say, here. It's pointless to suggest anyone read the handover agreement or to suggest this shiat didn't happen when actual governments existed in the US and the UK.

Hong Kong was the best and freest place in the world. Now it is just another city in China.

BAUHINIA FOREVER
 
2021-08-14 3:42:43 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: I want Canada to offer Hong Kongers citizenship as well. That the UK is being so logical, and forward-thinking, is a bit of a shock in the Brexit Era. I'm jelly that their government is doing The Right Thing For Once.


I would be happy to provide status for people from Hong Kong.

But the UK is in a bit of a special situation due to their history.

In addition, the people eligible for citizenship are those who are already British Nationals and theirs dependents. A group while not guaranteed the right of abode in the UK did have fairly reliable access to UK work visas.
 
2021-08-14 4:18:11 PM  
Hong Kong has always been scheduled to fully integrate in 2047 (26 years left). The mainland needs to culturally prep the population for integration with the rest of society at least a generation ahead. The 2019 protests just accelerated the gradual increase in changes over the next fifteen years to a rushed implementation as a response to the anti-government riots.

Hindsight being 20/20, the protestors should have accepted what they asked for in the first place, the withdrawal of the Extradition bill and gone home. Escalating the protests into more riots and vandalism, and demanding for additional concessions from the HK government after the withdrawal worked against them. Above all else, the one thing they definitely shouldn't have done was starting to openly riot against and vandalize symbols and businesses related to the mainland government.

The only good outcome of this mess is that foreign governments have been forced to open their doors to immigration that would likely have not been if the change over had been gradual.
 
2021-08-14 4:47:47 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: They've gotten tighter and more restrictive?


They are much more permissive and removed the racial quotas.  But continue with the ignorance.
 
2021-08-14 6:50:29 PM  

Heliodorus: Hong Kong has always been scheduled to fully integrate in 2047 (26 years left). The mainland needs to culturally prep the population for integration with the rest of society at least a generation ahead. The 2019 protests just accelerated the gradual increase in changes over the next fifteen years to a rushed implementation as a response to the anti-government riots.

Hindsight being 20/20, the protestors should have accepted what they asked for in the first place, the withdrawal of the Extradition bill and gone home. Escalating the protests into more riots and vandalism, and demanding for additional concessions from the HK government after the withdrawal worked against them. Above all else, the one thing they definitely shouldn't have done was starting to openly riot against and vandalize symbols and businesses related to the mainland government.

The only good outcome of this mess is that foreign governments have been forced to open their doors to immigration that would likely have not been if the change over had been gradual.


How about we go further than that: don't even start a protest to protect a confessed murderer of a pregnant girl in the first place.

That's not democracy. Subverting a democratic negotiation in the legislature using violence and vandalism to devise a legal method of extradition to the territories of Taiwan and Macau is not democracy.

It's literally the worst reason for anyone to start a protest ever. Most of these kids are leaving HK because students from that era have been blacklisted from jobs there by the adults who are furious at their idiocy.

Forever shall it be that the only successful activity of the hk riots was to ensure a confessed murderer was escorted by police to his parents private gated community which has its own private hospital. That's what they 'fought' for.
 
2021-08-14 11:56:25 PM  
Wait until they find out what's in store for them for not being white.
 
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