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2021-08-13 4:46:45 PM  
But now imagine if we had taken that money and gave it to the wealthy instead.....it would have trickled down to the poor! Everybody wins!
 
2021-08-13 5:11:21 PM  
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2021-08-13 7:31:52 PM  
Social Democracy works. Film at 11
 
2021-08-13 7:32:15 PM  
Does this mean future me is going to send me another stimulus check?
 
2021-08-13 7:32:54 PM  
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2021-08-13 7:33:11 PM  
I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.
 
2021-08-13 7:35:41 PM  
I just remember when the Clinton economy boomed with near full employment, the conservatives called it a "labor shortage".
 
2021-08-13 7:35:56 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.


How exactly are we going to measure that.
 
2021-08-13 7:37:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.


Weighing stations used for transport trucks?
 
2021-08-13 7:37:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.


"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.
 
2021-08-13 7:37:37 PM  
Is this the thread where I should complain about Democratic moderates not doing enough to help the poor?  And how nothing will ever change?
 
2021-08-13 7:38:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.

"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.


Yeah the one thing poor people tend not to have to worry about is caloric intake since cheap food is abundant with calories and fat and no nutritive values.
 
2021-08-13 7:39:30 PM  
Turns out giving out money to poor people will provide more economic benefits than giving money to rich people.

fark capitalism.
 
2021-08-13 7:39:38 PM  
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If you know, you know.
 
2021-08-13 7:41:40 PM  
I'm still gobsmacked that the economy didn't crash after handing out Covid checks.

And you say billionaires got richer?

FAKE NEWS.
 
2021-08-13 7:41:48 PM  
Tut tut, subby.

If you give a man a fish, he eats for a day. But if you entrap a man into a life of servitude, you can sit back and relax while he does all the work.
 
2021-08-13 7:42:19 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.


Are you planning your Soylent Green factory?
 
2021-08-13 7:44:04 PM  
Ya don't say?
 
2021-08-13 7:44:26 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.


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2021-08-13 7:44:29 PM  
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2021-08-13 7:46:19 PM  
Good. Keep going.

You wanna get reelected, Democrats? Give people money.
 
2021-08-13 7:46:57 PM  

TomDooley: Is this the thread where I should complain about Democratic moderates not doing enough to help the poor?  And how nothing will ever change?


That's every US politics thread. And it's true, so feel free.
 
2021-08-13 7:47:45 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.


Don't worry, rapepublicans will be along shortly to tout the long time lie of "they are now buying lobster and steak" or "they are using it to buy alcohol and cigarettes" like they do any time that the poor in this country get any type of assistance.
 
2021-08-13 7:48:20 PM  

TomDooley: Is this the thread where I should complain about Democratic moderates not doing enough to help the poor?  And how nothing will ever change?


Yes. This is a temporary program, and even as a permanent program it's a miniscule fraction of what's needed just to raise the US above the level of failed state, let alone a developed country.
 
2021-08-13 7:51:34 PM  

TomDooley: Is this the thread where I should complain about Democratic moderates not doing enough to help the poor?  And how nothing will ever change?


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2021-08-13 7:52:03 PM  
That's.. awesome!  Finally some good news instead of everything being terrible all the time.
 
2021-08-13 7:53:35 PM  
If we can't bear to establish a UBI for the homeless and unemployed and the mentally ill, then we need to AT LEAST make Housing, Clean drinking water, a sufficient ration of Food, and access to mental health services, to be a Civil Right.

C. Montgomery Burns doesn't need another ivory backscratcher.
 
2021-08-13 7:53:51 PM  
But they didn't earn the money by pulling on their bootstraps! What are we, communists?

Go get a 7.45 an hour minimum wage job and earn like a real 'murican
 
2021-08-13 7:54:30 PM  
No! I insist there be a middle-man (or several) through whom the money must first pass so that "investments" can be created and expanded. Only then can we give two cents on the dollar to the man in need rather than a dollar, which the poor wretch probably wouldn't know what to do with anyway.
 
2021-08-13 7:54:38 PM  

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Sure, if they're Canadian.
 
2021-08-13 7:54:47 PM  
It's gonna take a couple more months to get used to it.  I completely spaced it until I got a notification from my bank app.  That was a nice bonus to the Friday.
 
2021-08-13 7:55:57 PM  

kidgenius: Gyrfalcon: cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.

"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.

Yeah the one thing poor people tend not to have to worry about is caloric intake since cheap food is abundant with calories and fat and no nutritive values.


Twinkies are more expensive than a bag of carrots.
 
2021-08-13 7:56:15 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: But they didn't earn the money by pulling on their bootstraps! What are we, communists?

Go get a 7.45 an hour minimum wage job and earn like a real 'murican


whoa, whoa whoa, get that union bullshiat out of here.

They'll make $2.10 / hour plus 70% of their tips, and like it.
 
2021-08-13 7:56:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.

"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.


I'd fully support a government program that gave out twinkies
 
2021-08-13 7:57:44 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.


You can get shiatloads of cheap empty calories in the US. You can be fat as fark and still severely malnourished. The ability to pump kids full of corn syrup and refined carbs doesn't mean they're actually being properly fed.
 
2021-08-13 8:02:08 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: Gyrfalcon: cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.

"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.

I'd fully support a government program that gave out twinkies


It already exists. It's called corn subsidy.
 
2021-08-13 8:03:03 PM  

Xythero: That's.. awesome!  Finally some good news instead of everything being terrible all the time.


I think Fark needs a "Good News" tab.
 
2021-08-13 8:04:17 PM  

Michael J Faux: Gin Buddy: [Fark user image image 850x931]

Sure, if they're Canadian.


I don't want to crap on this concept, but take it from a Canadian:  We've got our troubled folks too, the types that actually would squander it on their addictions or whatever else.  Personally I'm facing a situation where I'm going to be the estate executor to my parent and wrestling with how to arrange for my sibling to get a due portion but not rapidly burn through it and very likely kill themself in the process if it was a single lump sum deposit into their hands.

Its a difficult one to wrestle with, trickling the money in an automated fashion to reduce the friction of the sibling coming sniffing around for forward loans to feed their addictions and snowballing into more and more taking is ugly.

/NCSB
 
2021-08-13 8:07:37 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: Gyrfalcon: cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.

"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.

I'd fully support a government program that gave out twinkies


...by eating those twinkies?
 
2021-08-13 8:14:21 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Michael J Faux: Gin Buddy: [Fark user image image 850x931]

Sure, if they're Canadian.

I don't want to crap on this concept, but take it from a Canadian:  We've got our troubled folks too, the types that actually would squander it on their addictions or whatever else.  Personally I'm facing a situation where I'm going to be the estate executor to my parent and wrestling with how to arrange for my sibling to get a due portion but not rapidly burn through it and very likely kill themself in the process if it was a single lump sum deposit into their hands.

Its a difficult one to wrestle with, trickling the money in an automated fashion to reduce the friction of the sibling coming sniffing around for forward loans to feed their addictions and snowballing into more and more taking is ugly.

/NCSB


Can you make the sibling's participation in some kind of help program a condition of their getting anything?

And that they have to pass a drug test or have a job or something every so often to keep getting money?

If you've already thought of that, or can't do it for some reason, then like, you know...
 
2021-08-13 8:15:44 PM  

Michael J Faux: kidgenius: Gyrfalcon: cameroncrazy1984: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

How exactly are we going to measure that.

"Caloric intake" is pretty much useless. A Twinkie has lots of calories. It has zero nutrients.

Yeah the one thing poor people tend not to have to worry about is caloric intake since cheap food is abundant with calories and fat and no nutritive values.

Twinkies are more expensive than a bag of carrots.


3.50 for 3 lbs of carrots at Kroger. That's with the waste of baby cutting and packaging.

10 kcal per oz, so 480 Calories.

3.20 for a 10 count box of Twinkies. 2 cakes is 280 Calories, so 1,400 Calories total.

Twinkies are 1/3 the price per Calorie as carrots.


Now, the debate here is this:
First, is calorie count what we should be looking at? I think yes. Anyone on the brink of malnourishment needs calories first, macronutrients second, and then micronutrients after that. That's the order that not getting what you need is going to result in death or serious health problems.

Second, there is the issue of taste, variety, and ease. Junk food wins overall in those categories.

Even with foods that actually come in cheaper than junk food (rice, flour, beans, potatoes, maybe?) to achieve taste and variety requires cooking and some level of effort. Is it a lot of effort? Not really, but it is still a component in why people pick junk food over good food. And even then, without blending in more expensive foods, beans, potatoes, and rice would get pretty monotonous.

Now I'm going to go eat a bag of blackberries, which cost me 4 bucks iirc for ten ounces, or 120 Calories. Delicious, nutritious, and the reason I spend two hundred a week on food. Fresh, quality food is expensive.
 
2021-08-13 8:17:39 PM  
America's GQP asking the real question: Does it make them less brown?
 
2021-08-13 8:20:03 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Can you make the sibling's participation in some kind of help program a condition of their getting anything?

And that they have to pass a drug test or have a job or something every so often to keep getting money?

If you've already thought of that, or can't do it for some reason, then like, you know...


Sibling is extremely manipulative and genuinely a very smart cookie so any sort of arrangements like that would be gamed to death and become burden onto itself not worth the upkeep of managing.  They've been through programs, comprehensive programs, about a half dozen times now, its entirely in their hands on how their life goes and they know how to say the right things to make the right things happen without actually fixing anything. :(

I applaud my parent for putting up with this for decades now, I wrote off our relationship a long time ago.  It doesn't help we're in different cities so any sort of vetting of status is pretty much moot.  My thinking is just keep a slow but constant trickle of money heading their way and let them do what they do with it.
 
2021-08-13 8:20:35 PM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

Prove

to me that you are starving, child.

Jesus Christ do you ever consider thinking prior to posting?
 
2021-08-13 8:23:21 PM  

Dictatorial_Flair: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

You can get shiatloads of cheap empty calories in the US. You can be fat as fark and still severely malnourished. The ability to pump kids full of corn syrup and refined carbs doesn't mean they're actually being properly fed.


Huge difference between malnourishment and actually missing meals resulting in actual feelings of actual hunger.  You can eat McDonald's for every meal and pay attention in class and generally accomplish things.

For the slow, both are bad and are problems.  Confusing the two is just not really furthering discourse.
 
2021-08-13 8:24:12 PM  
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How will they get into heaven now?
 
2021-08-13 8:24:51 PM  
But if people were no longer desperate, who would join the "all volunteer" armed forced?
 
2021-08-13 8:26:30 PM  

recondite cetacean: Dictatorial_Flair: SanityIsAFullTimeJob: I'd kinda like to see some actual numbers for "child hunger" for US citizens. Real numbers like caloric intake.

You can get shiatloads of cheap empty calories in the US. You can be fat as fark and still severely malnourished. The ability to pump kids full of corn syrup and refined carbs doesn't mean they're actually being properly fed.

Huge difference between malnourishment and actually missing meals resulting in actual feelings of actual hunger.  You can eat McDonald's for every meal and pay attention in class and generally accomplish things.

For the slow, both are bad and are problems.  Confusing the two is just not really furthering discourse.


They're pretty directly related. Sure, some of it is laziness or whatever, but people wouldn't be resorting to garbage food so much that it created a child obesity epidemic if they had the means to regularly afford actual food.
 
2021-08-13 8:27:38 PM  

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2021-08-13 8:29:30 PM  

zjoik: But if people were no longer desperate, who would join the "all volunteer" armed forced?


We'd probably be ok with a smaller military.

It wouldn't shrink by that much, most likely.

https://freakonomics.com/2008/09/22/w​h​o-serves-in-the-military-today/
 
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