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2021-08-12 11:19:25 AM  
Ha!
Prolly not even your kids..!
 
2021-08-12 3:45:35 PM  
As a single mother of two boys, now men, I don't want to hear about this stupid stuff. They've never been overweight, they're healthy as horses, and they ate possibly one-third of their meals at McDonald's.

But I was a good mom, I bought vegetables and served them to the boys, but only because they requested them. (Had the world's GREATEST daycare, who taught them to love ALL foods.)

Life is short. Eat two desserts.
 
2021-08-12 5:14:54 PM  
When I was a kid on the way to school my mom would drive thru the donut place and id get two chocolate and a Dr Pepper. That was breakfast.
 
2021-08-12 5:15:08 PM  
The word "processed" when it comes to food has lost all meaning.
 
2021-08-12 5:16:17 PM  
Here's an example:
Did you prepare it? It's processed.
 
2021-08-12 5:20:53 PM  
If someone can recommend a way to get my 14 year old the 8000 calories a day he seems to need, without feeding him any junk food and without going broke, I'm all ears.

He gets 3 healthy meals a day, that include a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables from a local CSA farm along with local beef and pork; but there's a calorie deficit that leaves lots of room for flavor blasted goldfish too.
 
2021-08-12 5:23:14 PM  
Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.
 
2021-08-12 5:23:58 PM  
No, I'm not, subby.

Cuz I'm a single adult male and people get all... weird if I feed children.
 
2021-08-12 5:25:19 PM  
I can emphasize with lots of parents. Good food is expensive and some days getting a child to eat anything but raw sugar from a bag is a Sisyphean task.

We need to, as a society, make it easier for parents to feed their kids good food.
 
2021-08-12 5:28:16 PM  

nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.


My criterion is "if you can't pronounce one of the ingredients, it's processed."

/difficulty: aced biochem
 
2021-08-12 5:29:32 PM  

bughunter: nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.

My criterion is "if you can't pronounce one of the ingredients, it's processed."

/difficulty: aced biochem


Dihydrogen Monoxide?
 
2021-08-12 5:31:49 PM  
if you buy your child Lunchables you are just terrible. Hot Pockets are a pretty poor choice as well.
 
2021-08-12 5:32:44 PM  
The study also found that the education levels of parents or family income didn't affect consumption of ultra-processed foods, suggesting that these types of foods are common in many households.

The consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages dropped to 5.3% from 10.8% of overall calories.


Interesting.
 
2021-08-12 5:32:57 PM  

nicoffeine: bughunter: nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.

My criterion is "if you can't pronounce one of the ingredients, it's processed."

/difficulty: aced biochem

Dihydrogen Monoxide?


Sorry, that's disingenuous. How about Nanbanzuke?
 
2021-08-12 5:33:11 PM  

nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.


Also the entire world is a good desert with small oases of organic farmers markets
 
2021-08-12 5:33:46 PM  
What a junk food peddler might look like.

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2021-08-12 5:34:13 PM  

Fano: nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.

Also the entire world is a good desert with small oases of organic farmers markets


At least you have your best deserts.
 
2021-08-12 5:37:54 PM  

nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.


Incorrect. From the cited study:

Unprocessed foods or minimally processed foods are foods that have not been altered from their natural state, or have only undergone processes like removal of inedible or unwanted parts, fractioning, grinding, drying, fermentation, pasteurization, roasting, boiling, cooling, or freezing. The purpose of these processing is to preserve or keep the freshness of natural foods, to make foods safe or edible or more pleasant to consume. These foods do not contain added substances such as salt, sugar, oils, or fats, but may infrequently contain preservatives. Examples include whole grains, millets, wheat flour, fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables, unprocessed meats and poultries, eggs, fish, fresh and pasteurized milk, unflavored yogurt, legumes, nuts and seeds.

Processed
culinary ingredients are substances extracted from the first group or from nature by processes such as pressing, grinding, crushing, pulverizing and refining. These ingredients are used for seasoning and cooking foods in the first group. Examples include salt, sugar, honey, vegetable oils, butter, lard, and vinegar, maple syrup (100%), molasses and honey.

Ultra-processed foods
are ready-to-eat/drink/heat industrial formulations that are made with multiple industrial ingredients extracted from foods or synthesized in laboratories, while containing little whole foods. Besides salt, sugar, oils and fats, and preservatives, ultra-processed foods include ingredients not used in culinary preparations, in particular, flavors, colors, sweeteners, emulsifiers and other additives used to imitate sensorial qualities of unprocessed or minimally processed foods or to disguise undesirable aspects of the final product. The processes for making ingredients or final products of ultra-processed foods may include hydrogenation and hydroxylation, extrusion and molding, and pre-processing for frying. The overall purpose of ultra-processing is to create highly profitable, hyper-palatable ready to consume products with long shelf-life. Ultra-processed food products are usually packaged attractively and marketed intensively. Examples include carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.
 
2021-08-12 5:38:50 PM  

nicoffeine: bughunter: nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.

My criterion is "if you can't pronounce one of the ingredients, it's processed."

/difficulty: aced biochem

Dihydrogen Monoxide?


Sorry, got a B in P-Chem, too.
 
2021-08-12 5:42:04 PM  
carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.

Read this to yourself out loud. Biscuits. Ready to eat. Sandwich. Shelf-stable. Frozen.

Come on.
 
2021-08-12 5:42:41 PM  

fiddlehead: nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.

Incorrect. From the cited study:

Unprocessed foods or minimally processed foods are foods that have not been altered from their natural state, or have only undergone processes like removal of inedible or unwanted parts, fractioning, grinding, drying, fermentation, pasteurization, roasting, boiling, cooling, or freezing. The purpose of these processing is to preserve or keep the freshness of natural foods, to make foods safe or edible or more pleasant to consume. These foods do not contain added substances such as salt, sugar, oils, or fats, but may infrequently contain preservatives. Examples include whole grains, millets, wheat flour, fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables, unprocessed meats and poultries, eggs, fish, fresh and pasteurized milk, unflavored yogurt, legumes, nuts and seeds.

Processed culinary ingredients are substances extracted from the first group or from nature by processes such as pressing, grinding, crushing, pulverizing and refining. These ingredients are used for seasoning and cooking foods in the first group. Examples include salt, sugar, honey, vegetable oils, butter, lard, and vinegar, maple syrup (100%), molasses and honey.

Ultra-processed foods are ready-to-eat/drink/heat industrial formulations that are made with multiple industrial ingredients extracted from foods or synthesized in laboratories, while containing little whole foods. Besides salt, sugar, oils and fats, and preservatives, ultra-processed foods include ingredients not used in culinary preparations, in particular, flavors, colors, sweeteners, emulsifiers and other additives used to imitate sensorial qualities of unprocessed or minimally processed foods or to disguise undesirable aspects of the final product. The processes for making ingredients or final products of ultra-processed foods may include hydrogenation and hydroxylation, extrusion and molding, and pre-processing for frying. The overall purpose of ultra-processing is to create highly profitable, hyper-palatable ready to consume products with long shelf-life. Ultra-processed food products are usually packaged attractively and marketed intensively. Examples include carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.


It was so ridiculous putting honey on the "processed" food list, they added it twice!
 
2021-08-12 5:43:42 PM  

nicoffeine: carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.

Read this to yourself out loud. Biscuits. Ready to eat. Sandwich. Shelf-stable. Frozen.

Come on.


Look, you can actually read the supplemental section of the study to see how they classified things or you can continue to be wrong.
 
2021-08-12 5:43:47 PM  
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2021-08-12 5:44:30 PM  

sinko swimo: if you buy your child Lunchables you are just terrible. Hot Pockets are a pretty poor choice as well.


Girlfriend and I in college, enjoying Lunchables for dinner while watching X-files. Half way through:

her: Did you take my mint?
me: No.
her: Yes you did!
Have a 5 minute argument about something I didn't do.
Watch last half of show in uncomfortable silence.
Get up to take things to kitchen.
her: Oh, here's my mint.
Turns and offers it to me.
her: Care for a mint?
me: jaw just drops wide open.

For years after this anytime she tried to start something with me over anything I'd just say, "Care for a mint?" and the argument was over.
 
2021-08-12 5:45:04 PM  
What most of the world considers "junk food", the United States considers "health food".

Mountain Dew is a green, leafy vegetable.
 
2021-08-12 5:47:35 PM  

amyldoanitrite: It was so ridiculous putting honey on the "processed" food list, they added it twice!


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2021-08-12 5:49:41 PM  

Dustin_00: For years after this anytime she tried to start something with me over anything I'd just say, "Care for a mint?"


And this is the secret to a healthy relationship. Bitterly hoarding ammo for future use and ruthlessly unloading at the slightest hint of provocation.
 
2021-08-12 5:55:13 PM  

fiddlehead: nicoffeine: carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.

Read this to yourself out loud. Biscuits. Ready to eat. Sandwich. Shelf-stable. Frozen.

Come on.

Look, you can actually read the supplemental section of the study to see how they classified things or you can continue to be wrong.


I guess I'll continue to be wrong. Have fun with no sauce in your life. Err, sauce that's not freshly picked from the sauce tree, that is.
 
2021-08-12 6:07:11 PM  

nicoffeine: fiddlehead: nicoffeine: carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.

Read this to yourself out loud. Biscuits. Ready to eat. Sandwich. Shelf-stable. Frozen.

Come on.

Look, you can actually read the supplemental section of the study to see how they classified things or you can continue to be wrong.

I guess I'll continue to be wrong. Have fun with no sauce in your life. Err, sauce that's not freshly picked from the sauce tree, that is.


Enjoy your processed washed lettuce!
 
2021-08-12 6:08:57 PM  

fiddlehead: nicoffeine: fiddlehead: nicoffeine: carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.

Read this to yourself out loud. Biscuits. Ready to eat. Sandwich. Shelf-stable. Frozen.

Come on.

Look, you can actually read the supplemental section of the study to see how they classified things or you can continue to be wrong.

I guess I'll continue to be wrong. Have fun with no sauce in your life. Err, sauce that's not freshly picked from the sauce tree, that is.

Enjoy your processed washed lettuce!


I, I'm sorry, I...

Chopped it!
 
2021-08-12 6:21:34 PM  

dothemath: Dustin_00: For years after this anytime she tried to start something with me over anything I'd just say, "Care for a mint?"

And this is the secret to a healthy relationship. Bitterly hoarding ammo for future use and ruthlessly unloading at the slightest hint of provocation.


Her previous boyfriend was a jerk and would steal stuff (wanna be drug dealer that kept losing money selling drugs -- the insane failures were too stupid to use in a novel). This kind of evolved into my way of reminding her that I was not him and we'd both laugh and she'd relax.
 
2021-08-12 6:23:40 PM  
The problem is that processed food is so much cheaper than unprocessed food, which is why the USA has the lowest food costs in the world. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-much-each-country-spends-on-food/
 
2021-08-12 6:51:43 PM  

Cafe Threads: As a single mother of two boys, now men, I don't want to hear about this stupid stuff. They've never been overweight, they're healthy as horses, and they ate possibly one-third of their meals at McDonald's.

But I was a good mom, I bought vegetables and served them to the boys, but only because they requested them. (Had the world's GREATEST daycare, who taught them to love ALL foods.)

Life is short. Eat two desserts.


Careful. Your words imply that someone who doesn't have the means to give their children vegetables is a bad parent, and that's highly unfair and sort of classist.
 
2021-08-12 6:52:43 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I can emphasize with lots of parents. Good food is expensive and some days getting a child to eat anything but raw sugar from a bag is a Sisyphean task.

We need to, as a society, make it easier for parents to feed their kids good food.


This.

You want kids to eat better?

Pay people more. And put more grocery stores in cities. Especially in places where there aren't a lot of white gentrifiers.
 
2021-08-12 7:01:32 PM  

JessieL: If someone can recommend a way to get my 14 year old the 8000 calories a day he seems to need, without feeding him any junk food and without going broke, I'm all ears.

He gets 3 healthy meals a day, that include a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables from a local CSA farm along with local beef and pork; but there's a calorie deficit that leaves lots of room for flavor blasted goldfish too.


Sounds about right for 14

my 16 year old loves madras lentils from Costco. Healthy and healthy and 1 minute in the microwave. What's not to love.

Otherwise we let them eat stuff like milkshakes to fill in the gaps. You are only young once.
 
2021-08-12 7:05:18 PM  
Now that is a Fark headline that is sure to trigger a bunch of insecure Fark parents!   bravo!
 
2021-08-12 7:07:42 PM  
I don't know what it is, but I get a real kick out of little kids enjoying food.  Like when they're really excited for an ice cream sandwich and you give it to them and they just mow it down. Half of it on their face.  It's like crystal meth for me.
 
2021-08-12 7:12:42 PM  
I've got a friend who keeps insisting that processed, sugary crap is cheaper than healthy foods.  Took a bunch of pics with fruit I get vs Mounds fun sized bars @5/$1.   He still insists I'm wrong.

Best was a carved up watermelon for $3.79 vs $4 of candy.

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2021-08-12 8:01:29 PM  

WhippingBoi: What most of the world considers "junk food", the United States considers "health food".

Mountain Dew is a green, leafy vegetable.


The typical British diet isn't any better. Ready meals, sausage rolls, chips, crisps and biscuits. America does have sole claim to spray cheese in a can, however. No one else in the world would ever eat that.
 
2021-08-12 8:05:59 PM  

AnyName: I've got a friend who keeps insisting that processed, sugary crap is cheaper than healthy foods.  Took a bunch of pics with fruit I get vs Mounds fun sized bars @5/$1.   He still insists I'm wrong.

Best was a carved up watermelon for $3.79 vs $4 of candy.

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I have no idea what you are trying to prove.  Cost vs volume?
 
2021-08-12 8:10:28 PM  

nicoffeine: The word "processed" when it comes to food has lost all meaning.


Ummm.  Here.

Now you have definitions.

Genuinely don't have an opinion on this whatsoever, but there's definitely a definition for different levels of processed foods.
 
2021-08-12 8:11:35 PM  

fiddlehead: nicoffeine: Did you cook it, mix it with something else? Cook it, AND mix it with something else? Did you mix it, blend it, stir and fry it? Did you wash it after picking it? Did you make sure it had the rot off it? Did you boil it, bread it, pick it at its best? Did you turn it into bread, stir it into a paste? Is it a sauce, a mix, a cream?

All food is processed. Everything else is sales.

Incorrect. From the cited study:

Unprocessed foods or minimally processed foods are foods that have not been altered from their natural state, or have only undergone processes like removal of inedible or unwanted parts, fractioning, grinding, drying, fermentation, pasteurization, roasting, boiling, cooling, or freezing. The purpose of these processing is to preserve or keep the freshness of natural foods, to make foods safe or edible or more pleasant to consume. These foods do not contain added substances such as salt, sugar, oils, or fats, but may infrequently contain preservatives. Examples include whole grains, millets, wheat flour, fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables, unprocessed meats and poultries, eggs, fish, fresh and pasteurized milk, unflavored yogurt, legumes, nuts and seeds.

Processed culinary ingredients are substances extracted from the first group or from nature by processes such as pressing, grinding, crushing, pulverizing and refining. These ingredients are used for seasoning and cooking foods in the first group. Examples include salt, sugar, honey, vegetable oils, butter, lard, and vinegar, maple syrup (100%), molasses and honey.

Ultra-processed foods are ready-to-eat/drink/heat industrial formulations that are made with multiple industrial ingredients extracted from foods or synthesized in laboratories, while containing little whole foods. Besides salt, sugar, oils and fats, and preservatives, ultra-processed foods include ingredients not used in culinary preparations, in particular, flavors, colors, sweeteners, emulsifiers and other additives used to imitate sensorial qualities of unprocessed or minimally processed foods or to disguise undesirable aspects of the final product. The processes for making ingredients or final products of ultra-processed foods may include hydrogenation and hydroxylation, extrusion and molding, and pre-processing for frying. The overall purpose of ultra-processing is to create highly profitable, hyper-palatable ready to consume products with long shelf-life. Ultra-processed food products are usually packaged attractively and marketed intensively. Examples include carbonated drinks, fruit flavored drinks, sausages, biscuits, sweet/savory packaged snacks, candies, ready to eat/heat pizza, sandwich, or burger, frozen or shelf-stable dishes, instant soups/noodles.


Ahhh.  Never mind. Should have continued reading.
 
2021-08-12 8:15:59 PM  

Prevailing Wind: nicoffeine: The word "processed" when it comes to food has lost all meaning.

Ummm.  Here.

Now you have definitions.

Genuinely don't have an opinion on this whatsoever, but there's definitely a definition for different levels of processed foods.


Annnnd damnit.  I copied the wrong link.

Oh well.  Someone else did it correctly.
 
2021-08-12 8:18:33 PM  
Not gonna lie, the new Coke Zero is pretty damned good. Until Coke wises up and dials back on the HFCS I think I'll take my chances with Zero.

Hey, what's going on in this thread!

/if the product fails to resemble the produce without requiring artificial ingredients, it's processed food
//probably unfit for human consumption as well
 
2021-08-12 8:21:53 PM  

austerity101: Cafe Threads: As a single mother of two boys, now men, I don't want to hear about this stupid stuff. They've never been overweight, they're healthy as horses, and they ate possibly one-third of their meals at McDonald's.

But I was a good mom, I bought vegetables and served them to the boys, but only because they requested them. (Had the world's GREATEST daycare, who taught them to love ALL foods.)

Life is short. Eat two desserts.

Careful. Your words imply that someone who doesn't have the means to give their children vegetables is a bad parent, and that's highly unfair and sort of classist.


Well, what they do mean is that I'm a supertaster who can't stand vegetables and would never cook something that I won't participate in eating, but even though I was a poor single mom feeding two boys, I still made sure they had a well-balanced diet and gave them plenty of vegetables.
 
2021-08-12 8:27:21 PM  
My kids get very little processed food. We eat healthy by shopping the periphery. It's amazing when I go into isles how much crap food is there. And it's there because people eat godawful amounts of it.

I do expect that when they get to be teens the diet will change. Will still do my best to make the grab and go food reasonably healthy.
 
2021-08-12 9:06:39 PM  

dothemath: Dustin_00: For years after this anytime she tried to start something with me over anything I'd just say, "Care for a mint?"

And this is the secret to a healthy relationship. Bitterly hoarding ammo for future use and ruthlessly unloading at the slightest hint of provocation.


You deserve the Nobel prize in sociology.
 
2021-08-12 9:09:59 PM  

dbaggins: Now that is a Fark headline that is sure to trigger a bunch of insecure Fark parents!   bravo!


No lie. As evidence, the first three comments.
 
2021-08-12 9:52:53 PM  

AnyName: I've got a friend who keeps insisting that processed, sugary crap is cheaper than healthy foods.  Took a bunch of pics with fruit I get vs Mounds fun sized bars @5/$1.   He still insists I'm wrong.

Best was a carved up watermelon for $3.79 vs $4 of candy.

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Pigglies hate the idea that it's impossible to eat healthy cheap and fast.
 
2021-08-12 9:53:30 PM  
Sorry, pigglies love to say that it's impossible
 
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