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(Politico)   Oh Look, it's time for Politico's monthly "Dems in disarray" sto- wait, hang on, this is actually a "Dems in ARRAY" story? god-DAMNIT Loki   (politico.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Democratic Party, United States Senate, Chuck Schumer, Party leaders of the United States Senate, Joe Biden, Schumer's willingness, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Manchin  
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2021-08-12 9:12:08 AM  
Barry Allen might have been involved, too.
 
2021-08-12 9:28:41 AM  
That should be "Dammit, Slyvie", but yeah, it's Barry's fault.
 
2021-08-12 9:33:47 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: That should be "Dammit, Slyvie", but yeah, it's Barry's fault.


Everything is Barry's fault.
 
2021-08-12 10:45:38 AM  
"How Schumer's kept his Democrats in array"

Jesus, we need a whole article about this? It's like three lines in Python.

import numpy as np
from congress.senate import democrats as dems
chucks_dems = np.asarray(dems)
 
2021-08-12 12:53:02 PM  
Did he kiss himself again?
 
2021-08-12 12:53:58 PM  
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2021-08-12 12:54:02 PM  

GardenWeasel: OtherLittleGuy: That should be "Dammit, Slyvie", but yeah, it's Barry's fault.

Everything is Barry's fault.


That voice tho

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2021-08-12 12:54:39 PM  
I think "the other guys' voters tried to murder us" is a pretty powerful motivator as well. Definitely puts things in perspective.
 
2021-08-12 12:54:44 PM  
Disarray, datarray, libs are libbing up all the arrays!
 
2021-08-12 1:01:10 PM  
I mean... note that this article essentially describes the Left faction of the democrats dealing in good faith, and giving up on their agenda almost entirely to assure the success of the agenda of the Right-wing faction of the neoliberals in the party under the assumption that the Right-wing dems are also dealing in good faith and will return the favor by voting for the rest of the party's collective agenda.

If the right-wing democrats don't do that by passing the partisan infrastructure bill (y'know, the one that actually does things instead of swimming slowly in circles wasting everyone's farking time) by coming together on reconciliation and such things have the potential to get very bad very quickly.

// Speculative post is speculative, but my opinion is at least twice as valuable as the entire collective expertise of Politico, historically speaking.  I mean... a random illiterate drunk at the bar's opinion is half again as valuable as that so I'm not setting the bar high here, but still.
 
2021-08-12 1:01:17 PM  
Typically for Politico, their headline makes no sense.
 
2021-08-12 1:02:03 PM  
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2021-08-12 1:03:03 PM  
Realty: Republicans are happy to send children off to their deaths,obstruct any and all mandates,continue to spread elections lies and cheer on insurrectionists

Politico:Are dems out of touch with voters?


Stop posting nonsense from terrible hack sources.
 
2021-08-12 1:03:24 PM  


The party's two wings "each need each other," Schumer said in an interview, explaining his "two-track" legislative strategy to link it with a party-line spending bill. "The moderates couldn't pass a bipartisan bill without the more progressive wing of our caucus. And the progressives couldn't get a big, bold bill without the moderates."


This should go over well on this site.
 
2021-08-12 1:05:35 PM  

JudgeSmails: Politico:Are dems out of touch with voters?


that's not even close to what this article is about.
 
2021-08-12 1:06:20 PM  
The Democrats are in so much agreement thanks to Schumer that the filibuster is moments from being killed, thus ensuring the passing of sweeping voting rights bills and increasing the minimum wage, right?

Right?

/much array. very agree. wow.
//once again the progressives with the ideas to actually improve the country are steamrolled by moderates afraid to upset their racist constituents and their wealthy donors
 
2021-08-12 1:08:44 PM  

austerity101: The Democrats are in so much agreement thanks to Schumer that the filibuster is moments from being killed, thus ensuring the passing of sweeping voting rights bills and increasing the minimum wage, right?

Right?

/much array. very agree. wow.
//once again the progressives with the ideas to actually improve the country are steamrolled by moderates afraid to upset their racist constituents and their wealthy donors


Need some help getting up on that cross?
 
2021-08-12 1:09:25 PM  

Outshined_One: [i.imgur.com image 476x595]


Meanwhile the Legends are flying around through time all willy-nilly chasing dragons and fairy tales and Bebos.
 
2021-08-12 1:10:42 PM  
Still waiting on Democrats to protect voting rights.
 
2021-08-12 1:14:15 PM  
In before the purity brigade arrive to root for the bill to fail, tell us it's not enough, it takes too long, and we're not qualified to understand it as only they can.
 
2021-08-12 1:19:19 PM  
 
2021-08-12 1:20:52 PM  

thorpe: In before the purity brigade arrive to root for the bill to fail, tell us it's not enough, it takes too long, and we're not qualified to understand it as only they can.


You're right,  the status quo is working so well.    If we keep giving stuff to the moderates and right, one day they will come around.  Fingers crossed.
 
2021-08-12 1:24:11 PM  

Dr. Nightmare: austerity101: The Democrats are in so much agreement thanks to Schumer that the filibuster is moments from being killed, thus ensuring the passing of sweeping voting rights bills and increasing the minimum wage, right?

Right?

/much array. very agree. wow.
//once again the progressives with the ideas to actually improve the country are steamrolled by moderates afraid to upset their racist constituents and their wealthy donors

Need some help getting up on that cross?


The moderate's are happy to drive in the nails, it seems.

Bye.
 
2021-08-12 1:24:53 PM  

PanicAttack: Still waiting on Democrats to protect voting rights.


Careful. Someone might suggest you're trying to martyr yourself.
 
2021-08-12 1:26:08 PM  

austerity101: The Democrats are in so much agreement thanks to Schumer that the filibuster is moments from being killed, thus ensuring the passing of sweeping voting rights bills and increasing the minimum wage, right?

Right?

/much array. very agree. wow.
//once again the progressives with the ideas to actually improve the country are steamrolled by moderates afraid to upset their racist constituents and their wealthy donors



And here he is, shiat in hand, ready to fling.

Go away, you're broken
 
2021-08-12 1:31:05 PM  
What a lovely array of senators you have.
 
2021-08-12 1:31:10 PM  

austerity101: PanicAttack: Still waiting on Democrats to protect voting rights.

Careful. Someone might suggest you're trying to martyr yourself.


I saw that earlier, and I'm okay with it. I like the company.
 
2021-08-12 1:33:55 PM  

JudgeSmails: Realty: Republicans are happy to send children off to their deaths,obstruct any and all mandates,continue to spread elections lies and cheer on insurrectionists

Politico:Are dems out of touch with voters?


Republicans being utterly evil doesn't have anything to do with whether Democrats are in touch with the needs of the (often non-)voting public. Y'all partisan hacks seem utterly unable to comprehend the idea that saying "those guys are super bad" isn't actually a qualification for anything, and isn't going to bring anyone to the polls who isn't invested in politics as a team sport. If Democrats want to appeal to people who presently do not participate in the political process at all (a large plurality of Americans), they have to enact policies that will directly and materially improve those people's lives. This really isn't a complicated concept, and the only reasons I can see for not getting it are devotion to the Team and/or simply not wanting policies that improve Black people's lives and consider poor whites acceptable collateral damage in the maintenance of white supremacy. "But I'm not a white supremacist" you say? Then stop cheering on Drug Warriors, people who oppose universal healthcare, warmongers, etc. As it stands, you're choosing a side and it's the wrong one.
 
2021-08-12 1:36:31 PM  

i state your name: Outshined_One: [i.imgur.com image 476x595]

Meanwhile the Legends are flying around through time all willy-nilly chasing dragons and fairy tales and Bebos.


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2021-08-12 1:39:13 PM  

austerity101: Dr. Nightmare: austerity101: The Democrats are in so much agreement thanks to Schumer that the filibuster is moments from being killed, thus ensuring the passing of sweeping voting rights bills and increasing the minimum wage, right?

Right?

/much array. very agree. wow.
//once again the progressives with the ideas to actually improve the country are steamrolled by moderates afraid to upset their racist constituents and their wealthy donors

Need some help getting up on that cross?

The moderate's are happy to drive in the nails, it seems.

Bye.


The more you and yours push away those who could be persuaded to agree with you, the less chance you have of getting anything you want accomplished.
 
2021-08-12 1:48:06 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: "How Schumer's kept his Democrats in array"

Jesus, we need a whole article about this? It's like three lines in Python.

import numpy as np
from congress.senate import democrats as dems
chucks_dems = np.asarray(dems)


I want you to know I logged in just to give you a "funny" click.
 
2021-08-12 1:48:52 PM  

PanicAttack: austerity101: PanicAttack: Still waiting on Democrats to protect voting rights.

Careful. Someone might suggest you're trying to martyr yourself.

I saw that earlier, and I'm okay with it. I like the company.


Always look on the bright side of life!
 
2021-08-12 2:53:52 PM  
Welcome to the Matrix, it just gets tenser and tensor.
 
2021-08-12 3:31:23 PM  
To get his complex "two-track" plan to midfield, the Senate majority leader nudged harder than his genial nature suggests.

Oh vey, at first glance, I read that as genital nature.Must be a little tipsy. Time to cut back on the day drinking. L'Chiam!
 
2021-08-12 4:04:25 PM  

austerity101: The Democrats are in so much agreement thanks to Schumer that the filibuster is moments from being killed, thus ensuring the passing of sweeping voting rights bills and increasing the minimum wage, right?

Right?

/much array. very agree. wow.
//once again the progressives with the ideas to actually improve the country are steamrolled by moderates afraid to upset their racist constituents and their wealthy donors


So your complaint is that a minority faction of a party that has the most tenuous of majorities doesn't get to set policy priorities?

There's a lot for progressives to like about the infrastructure packages, and a lot of good that the "centrists" have pushed through so far despite being fairly limited in what they can do. They should do more, but to do so, you need to stop complaining about how no one listens to progressives and get more progressives elected. And to do that, you need to understand and admit that as it stands, a lot of people don't buy in to progressive ideas and you either need to do a better job of selling them, OR you need to just go ahead and hire Mike Lindell to unhack the cybers save prove once and for all that Sanders won and is now president for life. Those are your options: do a better job electing progressive senators, or go full derp into conspiracy theories. Because this middle line you're walking isn't working.
 
2021-08-12 4:13:10 PM  
Huh.... Im actually feeling gruntled
 
2021-08-12 5:44:38 PM  

Lusiphur: So your complaint is that a minority faction of a party that has the most tenuous of majorities doesn't get to set policy priorities?


Voting rights shouldn't be a factional policy and progressives shouldn't have to convince anyone that they're worth fighting for.
 
2021-08-12 6:38:36 PM  

Mentat: Lusiphur: So your complaint is that a minority faction of a party that has the most tenuous of majorities doesn't get to set policy priorities?

Voting rights shouldn't be a factional policy and progressives shouldn't have to convince anyone that they're worth fighting for.


It's kinda always been the progressives that convince people that voting rights are worth fighting for, though.  From abolition to women's suffrage, it's been kind of their thingaling.
 
2021-08-12 9:06:14 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: The party's two wings "each need each other," Schumer said in an interview, explaining his "two-track" legislative strategy to link it with a party-line spending bill. "The moderates couldn't pass a bipartisan bill without the more progressive wing of our caucus. And the progressives couldn't get a big, bold bill without the moderates."

This should go over well on this site.


Ignoring the trolls, I think most people understand there are serious limits to what you can pull off with a 50-50 Senate, especially when Manchin and Sinema are two of those 50. Schumer's tactics make sense here - they're risky as they can potentially backfire HARD if the followup bill doesn't come, but I don't see a better way forward right now, and I say this as a strong progressive. If he pulls this off, it's going to get a hell of a lot more done than I expected to see this year.
 
2021-08-12 9:07:30 PM  
Three days ago on this very site, in a thread about AOC (legislative accomplishments: zero) potentially trying to primary Schumer, the Fark Progressives™ confidently asserted some things about him. I have reproduced examples below.

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Basically AOC just saying she might run for the Senate at some point in the future if that's where her political fights take her.  It's unlikely she'll ever go after Schumer; as feckless as he is as the Democratic leadership he's up to his eyeballs in moneyed interests who would throw Brinks trucks at anyone who would try to replace him with someone more effective.

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Why do you people always assume that replacing an ineffective Democratic politician with one people like, and who has shown exactly the kind of fire needed to get people into the ballot box, is somehow "gifting" Senate seats to the GOP?


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Schumer is an effete ineffective parliamentarian.

He has no business being majority leader. He is weak.
What I wouldn't give to see his little reading glasses imbedded into his temple.


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