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(Lincoln Journal Star)   Is Nebraska becoming gerrymander-proof? Ask the swastika of congressional districts that carve up Austin   (journalstar.com) divider line
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2021-08-12 12:48:18 AM  
It's definitely true that all of the desperate machinations the GOP employs are only temporary hindrances to their foregone irrelevance, but it's equally true that they realize this and have decided that they're just going to rob and kill their way into permanent power.
 
2021-08-12 12:50:16 AM  

culebra: It's definitely true that all of the desperate machinations the GOP employs are only temporary hindrances to their foregone irrelevance, but it's equally true that they realize this and have decided that they're just going to rob and kill their way into permanent power.


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2021-08-12 12:52:23 AM  
Kansas is trending that way too. Ever since the KC suburbs transitioned from a GOP stronghold to "purple", the Kansas GOP has been panicking. They're already trying to find ways to gerrymander Sharice Davids out of office.
 
2021-08-12 12:54:37 AM  
The thing to do would be instead of apportioning equally populated chunks of territory that each have one representative, and torturing the boundaries to make the parties happy, would instead to make each territory exactly square, and then give each section the requisite number of representatives according to the number of people inside it.

Yes, there are difficulties with this approach as well, but we wouldn't have weirdo districts carved out of poor and wealthy neighborhoods to give maximum advantage to various parties.

The appalling thing is that this would make some districts contain--GASP!--both rich and poor, black and white and brown, working class and elite; and they'd all have to find a way to make it work.
 
2021-08-12 12:56:17 AM  
That's a lot of white people legislatin'.
 
2021-08-12 1:00:44 AM  
Nebraska is suppressing their COVID numbers and have no mitigations.

They're killing off their conservative base, and they don't even know.
 
2021-08-12 1:03:10 AM  
I thought Montana only had one congressional district like Wyoming

also f*ck the shiat out of Gianforte
 
2021-08-12 1:03:55 AM  

Turbo6inKY: Nebraska is suppressing their COVID numbers and have no mitigations.


No idea why they are suppressing the numbers. They are not that bad, compared with Missouri, Arkansas, Florida. There are still ICU beds available for un-vaccinated folks,, despite the desperate shortage of ICU nurses.
 
2021-08-12 1:09:31 AM  
Screw jerrymandering, let's do "virtual" districts by basing representation on the last 2 digits of your social security number.
 
2021-08-12 1:13:08 AM  

Turbo6inKY: Nebraska is suppressing their COVID numbers and have no mitigations.

They're killing off their conservative base, and they don't even know.


And how many Nebraskans brought home a big ol' basket of virus from Sturgis last weekend?  Nebraska's gonna be a Phnom Penh killing field of conservative cornfed corpses in a couple of weeks.
 
2021-08-12 1:13:19 AM  
Sorry, never saw Nebraska as a microcosm of anything. Except corn and farming.
Oh, and lots of call centers in Omaha.
 
2021-08-12 1:15:53 AM  
There are some states the Republicans control but can't gerrymander.

Specifically North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming.
 
2021-08-12 1:19:44 AM  

proteus_b: Turbo6inKY: Nebraska is suppressing their COVID numbers and have no mitExecutiigations.

No idea why they are suppressing the numbers. They are not that bad, compared with Missouri, Arkansas, Florida. There are still ICU beds available for un-vaccinated folks,, despite the desperate shortage of ICU nurses.



Only places in the state reporting anything are Omaha and Lincoln.
 
2021-08-12 1:34:09 AM  
Gerrymandering is done so Republicans in blue states can win.

Red state Republicans don't have to gerrymander because they've spent the whole year passing laws to make sure none of "those people" can vote.
 
2021-08-12 1:35:12 AM  
Increase the size of the House of Rep's. It should be 575.  US pop / Wyoming
 
2021-08-12 1:36:09 AM  
What a surprise! What did they think was going to happen?

The more that GOP-composed policies and legislation enables megacorporate farming conglomerates to squeeze every last penny out of the hard working farmer in places like Nebraska, the more those poor farmers will yearn for the bright lights of big cities, where by comparison much better paying jobs are available.

The only way to stop this rural to urban mass migration from happening is with internal passports forbidding rural residents from moving into the cities, and that is a strategy that the GOP hasn't thought of yet.

///shh, don't tell them, keep it on the down low
 
2021-08-12 1:38:57 AM  

Aquapope: Screw jerrymandering, let's do "virtual" districts by basing representation on the last 2 digits of your social security number.


While I like the concept of state wide representatives, different districts do have unique needs and they deserve individual representation.
 
2021-08-12 1:52:08 AM  

Stile4aly: Aquapope: Screw jerrymandering, let's do "virtual" districts by basing representation on the last 2 digits of your social security number.

While I like the concept of state wide representatives, different districts do have unique needs and they deserve individual representation.


But do they really, at the Federal level?

But assuming they do... I'd prefer something like each county gets to send a rep, but each rep's vote is worth only as many people as the county has.  So Miami-Dade county's rep gets 2.6m votes, and Liberty county gets 8k votes.  And let counties band together, sending one rep with their combined votes, if they choose to do so.

Point is, tie the Federal districts to how the State governs itself, as opposed to fake districts that mean nothing.
 
2021-08-12 4:50:32 AM  

YakBoy42: Gerrymandering is done so Republicans in blue states can win.

Red state Republicans don't have to gerrymander because they've spent the whole year passing laws to make sure none of "those people" can vote.


Different techniques for different offices. Gerrymandering is for stealing state assemblies and the House of Representatives, the Electoral College is for stealing the Presidency and voter suppression is for stealing everything.
 
2021-08-12 5:00:37 AM  

whither_apophis: Increase the size of the House of Rep's. It should be 575.  US pop / Wyoming


Not a bad idea, it would only require a new law passed to replace and repeal whatever is necessary in the Apportionment Acts of 1911 and 1929.  The only problem(s) are that it would reduce the individual power of the Representatives currently voting on it should they wish to continue serving in office after the new legislation takes effect, and the red state Senators would have an absolute shiatfit as the lower house leaches out the GOP's power in the House long term.

Unfortunately, the Senate is an entirely different kettle of fish.
 
2021-08-12 6:54:15 AM  

FloridaWombat: Unfortunately, the Senate is an entirely different kettle of fish.


A bigger problem, too. The ratio of large state population vs small has grown and is likely to continue to do so. In 1790, the range was about 12x (Delaware vs Virginia)
In 2020, it was about 72x (Wyoming vs California)

In 1790, Delaware's ratio of population to the total population of ALL 13 states was higher than WY to CA alone now. It was higher even if you add in the 5 territories that also got census counts in 1790.

I support the idea that WY, VT, AK, etc are important and deserve representation despite their lagging populations. But surely there's some point where the leverage is unreasonable.
 
2021-08-12 7:01:46 AM  

SomeAmerican: Stile4aly: Aquapope: Screw jerrymandering, let's do "virtual" districts by basing representation on the last 2 digits of your social security number.

While I like the concept of state wide representatives, different districts do have unique needs and they deserve individual representation.

But do they really, at the Federal level?

But assuming they do... I'd prefer something like each county gets to send a rep, but each rep's vote is worth only as many people as the county has.  So Miami-Dade county's rep gets 2.6m votes, and Liberty county gets 8k votes.  And let counties band together, sending one rep with their combined votes, if they choose to do so.

Point is, tie the Federal districts to how the State governs itself, as opposed to fake districts that mean nothing.


So what you are saying is that a person's vote should be valued as 3/5s of another person? Why would you want to weaken the economics engine of the country just to appease city dwellers.
 
2021-08-12 7:49:48 AM  
If congressional districts were created based on population density, Republicans would never control the House again.
 
2021-08-12 7:51:32 AM  

OccamsWhiskers: FloridaWombat: Unfortunately, the Senate is an entirely different kettle of fish.

A bigger problem, too. The ratio of large state population vs small has grown and is likely to continue to do so. In 1790, the range was about 12x (Delaware vs Virginia)
In 2020, it was about 72x (Wyoming vs California)

In 1790, Delaware's ratio of population to the total population of ALL 13 states was higher than WY to CA alone now. It was higher even if you add in the 5 territories that also got census counts in 1790.

I support the idea that WY, VT, AK, etc are important and deserve representation despite their lagging populations. But surely there's some point where the leverage is unreasonable.


I disagree. Wyoming is in no way important. Vermont and Alaska, sure, but not Wyoming.
 
2021-08-12 8:18:17 AM  

Aquapope: Turbo6inKY: Nebraska is suppressing their COVID numbers and have no mitigations.

They're killing off their conservative base, and they don't even know.

And how many Nebraskans brought home a big ol' basket of virus from Sturgis last weekend?  Nebraska's gonna be a Phnom Penh killing field of conservative cornfed corpses in a couple of weeks.


I'll be watching craigslist and eBay in a couple weeks... always wanted a nice Harley Springer.
 
2021-08-12 8:26:18 AM  
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2021-08-12 8:38:01 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The thing to do would be instead of apportioning equally populated chunks of territory that each have one representative, and torturing the boundaries to make the parties happy, would instead to make each territory exactly square, and then give each section the requisite number of representatives according to the number of people inside it.

Yes, there are difficulties with this approach as well, but we wouldn't have weirdo districts carved out of poor and wealthy neighborhoods to give maximum advantage to various parties.

The appalling thing is that this would make some districts contain--GASP!--both rich and poor, black and white and brown, working class and elite; and they'd all have to find a way to make it work.


Well we can't have that. And the SC has ruled that politicians choosing their voters is perfectly legal.

\because the US is neither a democracy nor a republic.
 
2021-08-12 8:38:50 AM  

Turbo6inKY: Nebraska is suppressing their COVID numbers and have no mitigations.

They're killing off their conservative base, and they don't even know.


With proper gerrymandering, it doesn't matter.
 
2021-08-12 8:43:54 AM  

snowshovel: SomeAmerican: Stile4aly: Aquapope: Screw jerrymandering, let's do "virtual" districts by basing representation on the last 2 digits of your social security number.

While I like the concept of state wide representatives, different districts do have unique needs and they deserve individual representation.

But do they really, at the Federal level?

But assuming they do... I'd prefer something like each county gets to send a rep, but each rep's vote is worth only as many people as the county has.  So Miami-Dade county's rep gets 2.6m votes, and Liberty county gets 8k votes.  And let counties band together, sending one rep with their combined votes, if they choose to do so.

Point is, tie the Federal districts to how the State governs itself, as opposed to fake districts that mean nothing.

So what you are saying is that a person's vote should be valued as 3/5s of another person? Why would you want to weaken the economics engine of the country just to appease city dwellers.


Cities are where the people are. Rural voters should be represented based on their population %, not the land mass they cover.
 
2021-08-12 9:28:52 AM  
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2021-08-12 9:55:50 AM  

thurstonxhowell: OccamsWhiskers: FloridaWombat: Unfortunately, the Senate is an entirely different kettle of fish.

A bigger problem, too. The ratio of large state population vs small has grown and is likely to continue to do so. In 1790, the range was about 12x (Delaware vs Virginia)
In 2020, it was about 72x (Wyoming vs California)

In 1790, Delaware's ratio of population to the total population of ALL 13 states was higher than WY to CA alone now. It was higher even if you add in the 5 territories that also got census counts in 1790.

I support the idea that WY, VT, AK, etc are important and deserve representation despite their lagging populations. But surely there's some point where the leverage is unreasonable.

I disagree. Wyoming is in no way important. Vermont and Alaska, sure, but not Wyoming.


Wyoming has a caldera that will bury the continent in ash one of these millennia. That's somewhat important in a way. Probably not to us since we can destroy ourselves just fine without its help, but still.
 
2021-08-12 10:00:19 AM  
You could still theoretically split Omaha into 3 sections. Don't know how the system of suing and getting judges to throw out maps works there.
 
2021-08-12 11:01:53 AM  

snowshovel: SomeAmerican: Stile4aly: Aquapope: Screw jerrymandering, let's do "virtual" districts by basing representation on the last 2 digits of your social security number.

While I like the concept of state wide representatives, different districts do have unique needs and they deserve individual representation.

But do they really, at the Federal level?

But assuming they do... I'd prefer something like each county gets to send a rep, but each rep's vote is worth only as many people as the county has.  So Miami-Dade county's rep gets 2.6m votes, and Liberty county gets 8k votes.  And let counties band together, sending one rep with their combined votes, if they choose to do so.

Point is, tie the Federal districts to how the State governs itself, as opposed to fake districts that mean nothing.

So what you are saying is that a person's vote should be valued as 3/5s of another person? Why would you want to weaken the economics engine of the country just to appease city dwellers.


Wow that an amazing contortionist move just to lick slavery's dick.   Good for you.
 
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