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2021-08-11 1:43:14 PM  
The whitest of white people is in trouble?
 
2021-08-11 1:44:50 PM  
"Assange had fathered two children with his partner while holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London"

Jesus. No wonder they were so keen for him to GTFO.
 
2021-08-11 2:40:33 PM  
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2021-08-11 2:43:38 PM  
This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.
 
2021-08-11 2:43:48 PM  
"I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7
 
2021-08-11 2:44:20 PM  
Bring the Trump file with you.
 
2021-08-11 2:47:33 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7


Yeah, did he really think "If you extradite me I'm going to kill myself!" was going to make the US go "Oh okay, never mind then, our bad!"
 
2021-08-11 2:48:40 PM  
Make him shower first.
 
2021-08-11 2:49:53 PM  
The expert had told the court he believed Assange would take his own life if extradited.

So the court has ruled that Assange won't have killed himself?

// but given how high-profile folks tend to fare in prisons (Epstein, John McAfee, Ken Lay*, and probably a bunch more), it seems all but given
// Chelsea Manning probably only survived because she was in military prisons (Quantico & Leavenworth)
* who technically died of a heart attack, but it was an extremely conveniently-timed one
 
2021-08-11 2:50:27 PM  

fiddlehead: HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

Yeah, did he really think "If you extradite me I'm going to kill myself!" was going to make the US go "Oh okay, never mind then, our bad!"


No, but it can be grounds for the UK to refuse extradition.
 
2021-08-11 2:50:32 PM  
Anyone remember that Simpsons where Assange tells Homer "You should really get out less"?  Guess he's leading by example.
 
2021-08-11 2:50:45 PM  
Hope that spy spends the rest of his days in a very small cell
 
2021-08-11 2:51:08 PM  
I won't tell you the episode but the English comic Sean Lock does some hilarious riffing on Julian Assange on 8 Out of 10 Cats Does Countdown.
 
2021-08-11 2:51:31 PM  
GITMO! GITMO!
 
2021-08-11 2:51:50 PM  
What are the odds he survives long enough to reach US territory?
 
2021-08-11 2:52:25 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7


Like Epstein?
 
2021-08-11 2:52:47 PM  

wage0048: What are the odds he survives long enough to reach US territory?


Very good as we are going to want to interrogate him for a few days
 
2021-08-11 2:54:41 PM  

ImpendingCynic: HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

Like Epstein?


This clown is broke and out of secrets to sell, he's not going to get the "guards fell asleep" treatment.
 
2021-08-11 2:55:44 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7


So was Jeffrey Epstein.
 
2021-08-11 3:02:19 PM  

cman: wage0048: What are the odds he survives long enough to reach US territory?

Very good as we are going to want to interrogate him for a few days


What does interrogating him have to do with him making it to US territory?
 
2021-08-11 3:02:19 PM  

mrmopar5287: HotWingConspiracy: now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

So was Jeffrey Epstein.


23/7
 
2021-08-11 3:03:17 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: ImpendingCynic: HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

Like Epstein?

This clown is broke and out of secrets to sell, he's not going to get the "guards fell asleep" treatment.


^ This.  Epstein had a treasure trove of secrets.  Assange has....  halitosis.
 
2021-08-11 3:03:23 PM  

psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.


This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.
 
2021-08-11 3:03:48 PM  

wage0048: What are the odds he survives long enough to reach US territory?


100%.  He's just a milk sop at this point.
 
2021-08-11 3:08:16 PM  

jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.


Yup.

Exactly how did assange "spy" on the us? Even if he was just publishing Russian material that isn't somehow a crime since he isn't a us citizen or resident. The united states does not have any case against assange other than "he published information we didn't want anyone to see" the fact that farkers have decided they are fine with the us trying to have foreign nationals renditioned to the us for kangaroo trials is really bizarre to me. Imagine if china tried to do this to some American putz publishing anti china info would it still be "giggity" ?
 
2021-08-11 3:08:43 PM  

arrogantbastich: "Assange had fathered two children with his partner while holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London"

Jesus. No wonder they were so keen for him to GTFO.


Are we just not doing phrasing anymore?
 
2021-08-11 3:08:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: HotWingConspiracy: ImpendingCynic: HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

Like Epstein?

This clown is broke and out of secrets to sell, he's not going to get the "guards fell asleep" treatment.

^ This.  Epstein had a treasure trove of secrets.  Assange has....  halitosis.


Epstiens suicide was a calculated business move. He didn't want his fortune going to his victims.

It seems like Assange is faking mental illness to avoid the consequences of his crimes.
 
2021-08-11 3:08:50 PM  

jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.


Forgot to add a relevant point:

Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment - Stundin

A major witness in the United States' Department of Justice case against Julian Assange has admitted to fabricating key accusations in the indictment against the Wikileaks founder.

But the US is proceeding with it anyway.

If reporting on the actual and verifiable crimes your government has committed is a crime then that government is nothing more than a criminal enterprise.

Much like Snowden, who leaked evidence PROVING the US intelligence communities were illegally surveilling Americans en masse.  He had to be made an example of as well.
 
2021-08-11 3:11:42 PM  

fiddlehead: HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

Yeah, did he really think "If you extradite me I'm going to kill myself!" was going to make the US go "Oh okay, never mind then, our bad!"


I know he's met Americans before. He has to know that wouldn't play in the heartland.
 
2021-08-11 3:11:59 PM  

mathamagical: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Yup.

Exactly how did assange "spy" on the us? Even if he was just publishing Russian material that isn't somehow a crime since he isn't a us citizen or resident. The united states does not have any case against assange other than "he published information we didn't want anyone to see" the fact that farkers have decided they are fine with the us trying to have foreign nationals renditioned to the us for kangaroo trials is really bizarre to me. Imagine if china tried to do this to some American putz publishing anti china info would it still be "giggity" ?


How is it that we're managing to bamboozle the British legal system if there aren't any valid charges to bring?
 
2021-08-11 3:12:02 PM  

jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.


No, he ought not. Assange is not a journalist just publishing information the US government deemed secret. He was an active participant in crime of stealing the data. He is going to get the prison time he deserves.
 
2021-08-11 3:12:27 PM  

max_pooper: Marcus Aurelius: HotWingConspiracy: ImpendingCynic: HotWingConspiracy: "I will kill myself if I lose this case" probably seemed like a winner at the time, but now when they get him he's going to be monitored 24/7

Like Epstein?

This clown is broke and out of secrets to sell, he's not going to get the "guards fell asleep" treatment.

^ This.  Epstein had a treasure trove of secrets.  Assange has....  halitosis.

Epstiens suicide was a calculated business move. He didn't want his fortune going to his victims.

It seems like Assange is faking mental illness to avoid the consequences of his crimes.


Care to articulate what crime assange committed?
 
2021-08-11 3:13:01 PM  

mathamagical: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Yup.

Exactly how did assange "spy" on the us? Even if he was just publishing Russian material that isn't somehow a crime since he isn't a us citizen or resident. The united states does not have any case against assange other than "he published information we didn't want anyone to see" the fact that farkers have decided they are fine with the us trying to have foreign nationals renditioned to the us for kangaroo trials is really bizarre to me. Imagine if china tried to do this to some American putz publishing anti china info would it still be "giggity" ?


People are up their own arse when it comes to partisanship, that's why.

The fact that more so-called "liberal" Americans were more interested in farking hack Jim Acosta getting his feelings hurt by Trump than by Assange going to jail for possibly the rest of his life for safely publishing classified materials tells you just how idiotic these people are.

Wikileaks has never ever had to recant any of their stories.  Never been proven false, any of them.

But again, so-called "liberals" are anything but.  They're like the dumbest fans of the dumbest sports team.
 
2021-08-11 3:13:41 PM  

max_pooper: Epstiens suicide was a calculated business move. He didn't want his fortune going to his victims.


Not very successful in that move: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jeffrey-epstein-victims-fund-awards-125-mln-claims-process-ends-2021-08-09/
 
2021-08-11 3:14:48 PM  
I note that our Brave Patriots want to see him freed, so that pretty well seals it that we should be looking for the maximum penalty possible, and tracking down every single one of his contacts and deliver them some subpoenas too.
 
2021-08-11 3:15:05 PM  

jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.


Or he stole and held secret documents, which is a federal charge. Same thing Daniel Ellsberg was charged with. The Pentagon Papers is complicated -- Ellsberg was charged but the newspapers that published the documents were allowed to do so. The issue is going to be whether the US government views Assange as a journalist or not, and that's going to be tough. Wikileaks doesn't have the same power as the New York Times or Washington Post, and even those papers have to be very careful about publishing sensitive material.
 
2021-08-11 3:15:52 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: mathamagical: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Yup.

Exactly how did assange "spy" on the us? Even if he was just publishing Russian material that isn't somehow a crime since he isn't a us citizen or resident. The united states does not have any case against assange other than "he published information we didn't want anyone to see" the fact that farkers have decided they are fine with the us trying to have foreign nationals renditioned to the us for kangaroo trials is really bizarre to me. Imagine if china tried to do this to some American putz publishing anti china info would it still be "giggity" ?

How is it that we're managing to bamboozle the British legal system if there aren't any valid charges to bring?


Boris Johnson's government and specifically the UK Foreign Office wants to play nice with the US in any way they can, that's why.  And the judiciary in the UK is willing to do their dirty work.
 
2021-08-11 3:18:13 PM  

jethroe: HotWingConspiracy: mathamagical: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Yup.

Exactly how did assange "spy" on the us? Even if he was just publishing Russian material that isn't somehow a crime since he isn't a us citizen or resident. The united states does not have any case against assange other than "he published information we didn't want anyone to see" the fact that farkers have decided they are fine with the us trying to have foreign nationals renditioned to the us for kangaroo trials is really bizarre to me. Imagine if china tried to do this to some American putz publishing anti china info would it still be "giggity" ?

How is it that we're managing to bamboozle the British legal system if there aren't any valid charges to bring?

Boris Johnson's government and specifically the UK Foreign Office wants to play nice with the US in any way they can, that's why.  And the judiciary in the UK is willing to do their dirty work.


Oh so it's a big conspiracy at the highest levels of government.
 
2021-08-11 3:19:06 PM  

max_pooper: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

No, he ought not. Assange is not a journalist just publishing information the US government deemed secret. He was an active participant in crime of stealing the data. He is going to get the prison time he deserves.


Read the article I linked from Stuntin.  The guy who testified that Assange was hacking was LYING.  He recanted.

He was not an active participant.  At worst he helped Chelsea Manning try to cover her tracks and avoid getting caught, but didn't "help her hack".

Which is what journalists everywhere DO.  They help their source SAFELY give them the info.  If Woodward suggest to a source that they should meet in a dark garage to protect the source is that a crime?

Nope.
 
2021-08-11 3:19:29 PM  
Better not drink any tea anytime soon, someone may want to shut him up.
 
2021-08-11 3:22:14 PM  

killershark: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Or he stole and held secret documents, which is a federal charge. Same thing Daniel Ellsberg was charged with. The Pentagon Papers is complicated -- Ellsberg was charged but the newspapers that published the documents were allowed to do so. The issue is going to be whether the US government views Assange as a journalist or not, and that's going to be tough. Wikileaks doesn't have the same power as the New York Times or Washington Post, and even those papers have to be very careful about publishing sensitive material.


The US government doesn't get to determine who's a journalist.

If you publish a story about what somebody told you then you're a journalist.  If you go outside and look at the sky and write about what the weather is like you're a journalist.

If the only entities that can publish leaked government info is the NYT and WaPo then press freedom is 100% dead.  Especially since the government actively leaks info to the NYT and WaPo that turns out to be 100% false all the time.
 
2021-08-11 3:24:27 PM  

jethroe: This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.


you need to be a journalist to have freedom of the press. Assange is an agent of a hostile power
 
2021-08-11 3:25:11 PM  

max_pooper: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

No, he ought not. Assange is not a journalist just publishing information the US government deemed secret. He was an active participant in crime of stealing the data. He is going to get the prison time he deserves.


Everybody and their sister in the news world called Assange both journalist and brave as fark until the diplo cables were released.

Then he was suddenly no longer a journalist. No longer a publisher. He became, literally overnight, a "source."

Fark the New York Times, is what I'm saying here.

Again.
 
2021-08-11 3:26:52 PM  

somedude210: jethroe: This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

you need to be a journalist to have freedom of the press. Assange is an agent of a hostile power


Define journalist.

Then let us know who can be trusted to be in charge of giving out freedom of the press.
 
2021-08-11 3:30:58 PM  
As a bit of a tangent, I was never really sure what to make of Chelsea Manning. I thought Snowden's leaks were important, but Mannings seemed pretty bad & something I couldn't get behind.

Then I heard her in an interview where she said that you can't really support some leakers & not others, like you can't get angry at Assange & not be angry at her.

Which makes it super easy. Assange has been shown over & over again to have massaged his leaks to remove things critical of Putin even where his sources have published the same info with Putin-damaging info intact. So Assange is a bad actor.

& if she says I have to take the same opinion of Assange that I do of Manning, that means she's a bad actor too.
 
2021-08-11 3:32:16 PM  
I see three different things Assange could be tried for if they don't press the most serious charges.

1-He published personal information of Americans, including social security numbers and pass ports. Later, some of those people reported being targets of identity thieves.
2-Wikileaks files have also been notorious for having viruses.  So any computer damage is on his shoulders.

3-Ship him to the Hague. He released names of gays in the middle east. Many of them were imprisoned.

4-Wikileaks also released tons of personal information on Saudi Citizens, including government officals. They released over 500 passports, medical records, identity paperwork, academic records and employment files.
I am sure the Saudis would like a word with him for that.
 
2021-08-11 3:36:20 PM  

jethroe: killershark: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Or he stole and held secret documents, which is a federal charge. Same thing Daniel Ellsberg was charged with. The Pentagon Papers is complicated -- Ellsberg was charged but the newspapers that published the documents were allowed to do so. The issue is going to be whether the US government views Assange as a journalist or not, and that's going to be tough. Wikileaks doesn't have the same power as the New York Times or Washington Post, and even those papers have to be very careful about publishing sensitive material.

The US government doesn't get to determine who's a journalist.

If you publish a story about what somebody told you then you're a journalist.  If you go outside and look at the sky and write about what the weather is like you're a journalist.

If the only entities that can publish leaked government info is the NYT and WaPo then press freedom is 100% dead.  Especially since the government actively leaks info to the NYT and WaPo that turns out to be 100% false all the time.


so if I post something I saw on facecrack or twitter, then I am a journalist?
really?
With standards like that, no wonder we get crap like Fox and OANN
 
2021-08-11 3:38:35 PM  

freddyV: jethroe: killershark: jethroe: psilocyberguy: This whole Assange thing doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. When I am in goggles mode, I can't find a source that lays things out clearly for me because no matter what I say about myself, I am an idiot.

Seriously. The whole paragraph above.

This is a question of Press Freedom.  Assange isn't on the hook for any Trump or Russia shiat, it's for the Iraq War Leaks in 2010.  The infamous Collateral Damage video among other things.  Under Dubya.

It's about the US wanting to prosecute a publisher for leaking US secrets that made the US look bad.  It's that simple.  It's to set an example to leakers and publishers that if you farking DARE to leak or publish anything that damages American credibility then they will go after you, legally or not.

He ought to be freed.

Or he stole and held secret documents, which is a federal charge. Same thing Daniel Ellsberg was charged with. The Pentagon Papers is complicated -- Ellsberg was charged but the newspapers that published the documents were allowed to do so. The issue is going to be whether the US government views Assange as a journalist or not, and that's going to be tough. Wikileaks doesn't have the same power as the New York Times or Washington Post, and even those papers have to be very careful about publishing sensitive material.

The US government doesn't get to determine who's a journalist.

If you publish a story about what somebody told you then you're a journalist.  If you go outside and look at the sky and write about what the weather is like you're a journalist.

If the only entities that can publish leaked government info is the NYT and WaPo then press freedom is 100% dead.  Especially since the government actively leaks info to the NYT and WaPo that turns out to be 100% false all the time.

so if I post something I saw on facecrack or twitter, then I am a journalist?
really?
With standards like that, no wonder we get crap like Fox and OANN


Some 1/6 insurrectionists have learned that claiming to be a journalist isn't a get out of jail free card.
 
2021-08-11 3:41:00 PM  

andrewagill: As a bit of a tangent, I was never really sure what to make of Chelsea Manning.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/22/chelsea-manning-far-right-trump-gather-intel

She goes on intel gathering missions by attending alt-right trumper events. Totally on the level.

Look how she cleverly blends in with them

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They never suspected a thing.
 
2021-08-11 3:48:11 PM  

andrewagill: As a bit of a tangent, I was never really sure what to make of Chelsea Manning.


Like Reality Winner, Manning was always just a useful idiot.

Snowden did some really important things and some really bad stuff, but he knew what he was doing.

Assange could have been an actor for good, but instead decided he wanted to hide under that mantle while acting like the cross between a mafia thug and a Russian Intel stooge.
 
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