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2021-08-10 12:09:40 AM  
Finally!

This feels like it happened DECADES ago.

Good to hear they're charging the cop with something instead of just letting him go
 
2021-08-10 1:14:22 AM  
What are the chances that Corona PD hasn't already destroyed all of the surveillance tapes though?

Also, would be nice if there was a way to know what department Officer Sanchez is working at now. Guessing LASD or Riverside SD of course.
 
2021-08-10 5:39:01 AM  
"The arrest of Sal Sanchez is a product of the politically motivated program by the California attorney general to prosecute police officers," ...who have committed crimes and/or abused their power.
 
2021-08-10 5:47:48 AM  
About damn time. As a father of a son who is nonverbal and on the spectrum this scared the hell out of me.
 
2021-08-10 5:52:12 AM  
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a crazy guy loses his shiat on me at CostCo I try to throw a punch then send a funny tweet. 

a crazy guy loses his shiat on an off duty pig at CostCo and he tries to murder the guy's entire family.

at their core most cops are cowardly pussies, unable to manage daily life. It's why they beat their wives and children.

/acab
 
2021-08-10 6:04:25 AM  
if he was a she, ex cop or not, she would not be prosecuted. the respect for maternal instinct is huge by nature. i never had children or cared for a babby but i would freak out if someone assaulted me while i was parenting.
 
2021-08-10 6:15:29 AM  
Voluntary manslaughter. The law has so many fine grades of killing people. Basically, he failed to determine if there was an actual threat before going all blam blam blam. Sounds like a valid charge.
 
2021-08-10 6:19:25 AM  
I feel like I read a different story. This man is holding his daughter while shopping with his family when someone hits him in the head knocking him down with the child. He uses his gun to protect his family and now he is being charged with murder? It appears that he is being charged simply because he is a cop. If he had any other job, I don't think anyone would have wanted his head.
 
2021-08-10 6:24:35 AM  

sinko swimo: if he was a she, ex cop or not, she would not be prosecuted. the respect for maternal instinct is huge by nature. i never had children or cared for a babby but i would freak out if someone assaulted me while i was parenting.


So your female protagonist would shoot the aggressor and everyone else, too? You do realize this guy shot at the mother and father, right?
 
2021-08-10 6:36:46 AM  

daffy: I feel like I read a different story. This man is holding his daughter while shopping with his family when someone hits him in the head knocking him down with the child. He uses his gun to protect his family and now he is being charged with murder? It appears that he is being charged simply because he is a cop. If he had any other job, I don't think anyone would have wanted his head.


He shoots the disabled man 3 times in the back along with the elderly father and mother. That's not defense. You don't get to shoot people pleading for their son's life in the back and claim self defense.
 
2021-08-10 7:13:11 AM  
Farking pig bastard. Fark all cops.
 
2021-08-10 7:14:01 AM  
I think a valid self-defense would be if, when he got knocked down and pulled his weapon  to hold off another attack. It the guy rushed him, and he then shot, he'd likely be in the clear.

In this case, before he even assessed if the guy was a continued threat beyond the initial hit, he popped up and unloaded a 10-round magazine, shot the guy in the back,and hit two other people.

If I had a child in my arms and a guy hit me, I think the first thing I would do is try and get the kid away from the danger by putting some distance between them.
 
2021-08-10 7:22:36 AM  
Fired 10 shots inside a Costco.  That's some fine off duty policing there.
 
2021-08-10 7:28:49 AM  
Wow was it such a surprise that an EX cop carrying a gun would shoot someone, with all his experience he cant take one mentally challenged guy down.
Cops are not trained to diffuse but to shoot, that is the issue with police today, and stop hiring ex military for starters.

The way a Police man should look.
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The way they look now. Full tactical gear and AR rifles and shotguns. They think they are preparing for war and acting like it. Yet are are supposed to protect us.
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2021-08-10 8:12:55 AM  
You don't shoot one guy at Costco. You shoot five, then the D.A. gives you a better deal.
 
2021-08-10 8:33:47 AM  

ChrisDe: You don't shoot one guy at Costco. You shoot five, then the D.A. gives you a better deal.


You forgot to add "It's the Corona way".

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2021-08-10 8:35:35 AM  
If you went into a gun store and said "I am in constant fear for my and my family's life at all times and want an everyday carry so I can shoot the next SOB that bumps into me at a Costco"

Do you think they would look sideways at you or as if you want a 3" or a 4" barrel?
 
2021-08-10 8:49:44 AM  
I am very happy about this decision. Dude got shoved in a store then emptied a magazine into the entire family *after* the father had already intervened. He was just itching to do some murder.
 
2021-08-10 9:05:23 AM  

TheReject: I am very happy about this decision. Dude got shoved in a store then emptied a magazine into the entire family *after* the father had already intervened. He was just itching to do some murder.


It should be murder, but should in one hand, shid in the other. Guess which one fills up first.
 
2021-08-10 9:18:20 AM  

fzumrk: "The arrest of Sal Sanchez is a product of the politically motivated program by the California attorney general to prosecute police officers," ...who have committed crimes and/or abused their power.


Its amazing how nakedly evil these people are.

Officer Farva goes berserk and shoots like 5 farking people in a Costco? Well y'all farking peasants shouldn't have damaged his bullets like that.
 
2021-08-10 9:21:37 AM  

daffy: I feel like I read a different story. This man is holding his daughter while shopping with his family when someone hits him in the head knocking him down with the child. He uses his gun to protect his family and now he is being charged with murder? It appears that he is being charged simply because he is a cop. If he had any other job, I don't think anyone would have wanted his head.


That's why we have courts and trials.
Or would you prefer that we just let anyone go who has a story that they didn't do it?
 
2021-08-10 9:57:01 AM  

jso2897: daffy: I feel like I read a different story. This man is holding his daughter while shopping with his family when someone hits him in the head knocking him down with the child. He uses his gun to protect his family and now he is being charged with murder? It appears that he is being charged simply because he is a cop. If he had any other job, I don't think anyone would have wanted his head.

That's why we have courts and trials.
Or would you prefer that we just let anyone go who has a story that they didn't do it?


Ted Bundy spent years claiming that he was the victim of a set-up and was framed because of his support for Nixon back during his Young Republican glory days.
 
2021-08-10 10:33:20 AM  

kokomo61: I think a valid self-defense would be if, when he got knocked down and pulled his weapon  to hold off another attack. It the guy rushed him, and he then shot, he'd likely be in the clear.

In this case, before he even assessed if the guy was a continued threat beyond the initial hit, he popped up and unloaded a 10-round magazine, shot the guy in the back,and hit two other people.

If I had a child in my arms and a guy hit me, I think the first thing I would do is try and get the kid away from the danger by putting some distance between them.


The lying about getting knocked unconscious isn't helping his case either.
 
2021-08-10 11:18:11 AM  
Notice the part where Officer Baconator was supposedly assaulted was off camera?

Do cops ever not lie? Is it just a reflex at this point or do they get off on it?
 
2021-08-10 11:24:42 AM  

xalres: Notice the part where Officer Baconator was supposedly assaulted was off camera?

Do cops ever not lie? Is it just a reflex at this point or do they get off on it?


It's part of their "informal" training after they leave the academy. Cops are given specific instruction in how to sound truthy when they write reports or testify in court, especially when they screw up or commit crimes. They'll always have the Union backing them up no matter what.
 
2021-08-10 12:01:31 PM  

fnordfocus: What are the chances that Corona PD hasn't already destroyed all of the surveillance tapes though?


There are many articles that cover this.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo​c​al/former-lapd-officer-charged-corona-​costco-shooting-arrest/2667695/

The surveillance video from Costco doesn't show much. It's a very grainy video of what appears to be the father pushing the mute disabled son away from whatever altercation happened, and the parents say they were trying to intervene to tell the guy that their son is sick, mentally ill, doesn't have a weapon, etc.

There is also lots of body camera footage from responding officers that is available.
 
2021-08-10 12:02:08 PM  

surrounded by assholes: As a father of a son who is nonverbal and on the spectrum this scared the hell out of me.


Does your son randomly cold-cock strangers in public with a rabbit punch to the back of the head?
 
2021-08-10 12:03:13 PM  

sinko swimo: if he was a she, ex cop or not, she would not be prosecuted. the respect for maternal instinct is huge by nature


Unbelievably accurate. Sexism is playing a part in this prosecution. A dad parenting an infant still doesn't get the same social allowances as a mother does.
 
2021-08-10 12:06:33 PM  

surrounded by assholes: About damn time. As a father of a son who is nonverbal and on the spectrum this scared the hell out of me.


It's only a problem if your kid randomly assaults people.
 
2021-08-10 12:06:48 PM  

Horizon: fzumrk: "The arrest of Sal Sanchez is a product of the politically motivated program by the California attorney general to prosecute police officers," ...who have committed crimes and/or abused their power.

Its amazing how nakedly evil these people are.


No, the attorney has a point.

The local DA convened a grand jury and they declined to indict. You know, the grand jury system we have in American where you can indict a ham sandwich?

Those people looked at this and said there is no crime here. Now, all of the sudden, the AG jumps in and initiates prosecution where a grand jury declined to indict? Yeah, nothing weird going on there, right?
 
2021-08-10 12:08:31 PM  

mrmopar5287: sinko swimo: if he was a she, ex cop or not, she would not be prosecuted. the respect for maternal instinct is huge by nature

Unbelievably accurate. Sexism is playing a part in this prosecution. A dad parenting an infant still doesn't get the same social allowances as a mother does.


How is murdering someone in front of one's kids, for what could easily be an accidental bump in a store aisle good parenting? He shot three people because he "felt threatened".

This cop was lying from the moment he stopped pulling the trigger.
 
2021-08-10 12:08:45 PM  

jso2897: That's why we have courts and trials.


Yeah, courts and trials are farking expensive. I hope you are aware of how farked up our justice system is and how it treats people of lesser means. The courts are supposed to have gate keepers who filter the cases out to keep some from going to trial if it's unnecessary. We aren't supposed to have a system that throws everyone into a trial and does what you do with a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to say "You'll get your chance at trial."
 
2021-08-10 12:12:44 PM  

mrmopar5287: Horizon: fzumrk: "The arrest of Sal Sanchez is a product of the politically motivated program by the California attorney general to prosecute police officers," ...who have committed crimes and/or abused their power.

Its amazing how nakedly evil these people are.

No, the attorney has a point.

The local DA convened a grand jury and they declined to indict. You know, the grand jury system we have in American where you can indict a ham sandwich?

Those people looked at this and said there is no crime here. Now, all of the sudden, the AG jumps in and initiates prosecution where a grand jury declined to indict? Yeah, nothing weird going on there, right?


A Grand Jury is only as good as the individual presenting the evidence to it. It is just as simple a thing to sabotage a Grand Jury by withholding evidence or merely playing up the story that determines the desired outcome. Cops and Prosecutors work hand in hand, and that requires that a friendly and mutually beneficial relationship be maintained, even to the cost of Justice.
 
2021-08-10 12:12:55 PM  

mrmopar5287: sinko swimo: if he was a she, ex cop or not, she would not be prosecuted. the respect for maternal instinct is huge by nature

Unbelievably accurate. Sexism is playing a part in this prosecution. A dad parenting an infant still doesn't get the same social allowances as a mother does.


"men's rights" people get me laughing every time.  Great way to start my morning, thanks guys!  "Men's rights, men's rights, we're oppressed, we should get away with murder!!"  LOL
 
2021-08-10 12:17:46 PM  

Deathfrogg: A Grand Jury is only as good as the individual presenting the evidence to it. It is just as simple a thing to sabotage a Grand Jury by withholding evidence or merely playing up the story that determines the desired outcome. Cops and Prosecutors work hand in hand, and that requires that a friendly and mutually beneficial relationship be maintained, even to the cost of Justice.


I totally agree, but I've seen not so much as a claim from anyone that the county DA rigged the grand jury.
 
2021-08-10 12:18:21 PM  

Deathfrogg: what could easily be an accidental bump in a store aisle


That's speculation. Were you there to witness it?
 
2021-08-10 12:36:13 PM  

daffy: I feel like I read a different story. This man is holding his daughter while shopping with his family when someone hits him in the head knocking him down with the child. He uses his gun to protect his family and now he is being charged with murder? It appears that he is being charged simply because he is a cop. If he had any other job, I don't think anyone would have wanted his head.


You're definitely not reading the whole story.

To begin with, there's no actual witnesses to the supposedly brutal attack on the cop.

Second, he shot the guy in the back, 3 times.

Also, the guy was unarmed.

On top of that, this dude unloaded 10 rounds in a crowded Costco, hitting two people who weren't the aggressor.

So, nobody saw the guy get knocked to the ground. The guy gets up, starts spraying bullets around, hitting 3 people, one of those people he shoots from behind.

If "he had any other job", he would have been indicted immediately, not 2 years later. This guy 100% needs to be prosecuted.
 
2021-08-10 12:37:32 PM  

mrmopar5287: Deathfrogg: what could easily be an accidental bump in a store aisle

That's speculation. Were you there to witness it?


Read the comment directly below yours. The man was shot three times in the back from a distance of several feet.
 
2021-08-10 12:42:53 PM  

mrmopar5287: surrounded by assholes: As a father of a son who is nonverbal and on the spectrum this scared the hell out of me.

Does your son randomly cold-cock strangers in public with a rabbit punch to the back of the head?


(Citation Needed)

And by "citation", I don't mean the claim by the cop that he was hit, because nobody else saw what happened. Nobody saw a confrontation, nothing to show that the cop had been "knocked out".

But since you have direct evidence of the incident, I'm sure the authorities would like you to share.

mrmopar5287: Deathfrogg: what could easily be an accidental bump in a store aisle

That's speculation. Were you there to witness it?


LOL, look at you with the "speculation" thing, right after you speculate on the events.

The facts are this:
1. The cop claims he got assaulted, despite nobody else witnessing it.
2. The cop is then so threatened that he has  a conversation with the parents where they try to talk him down. As a result, he shoots all 3 of them.
3. The dead man was such a threat that he was shot in the back by the cop not once, but three times.

Everything else is speculation, since there is no security footage and there are no eyewitnesses to this cop apparently getting knocked unconscious.
 
2021-08-10 12:45:47 PM  
I think we're all missing the impressive part here. The cop is a total stud. No, hear me out...

This guy gets decked so hard he's apparently knocked unconscious and falls to the ground. BUT HE HELD ONTO HIS KID!! Damn, that's some seriously dedicated parenting, taking a completely unprotected fall just so that you won't drop your child.
 
2021-08-10 12:48:45 PM  

Mikey1969: nobody else saw what happened. Nobody saw a confrontation


This isn't true. The dead guy's parents witnessed what happened. They give their POV where they try to minimize it by saying it was "a shove" or "an open handed slap" but it's pretty clear that they acknowledge there was some sort of unprovoked assault that happened.

Mikey1969: he has a conversation with the parents where they try to talk him down


No one said that happened. The parents claim they intervened and were saying things like "our son is sick" and "no one has a weapon" and whatever else. No one said there was an intervening conversation.
 
2021-08-10 1:16:32 PM  

mrmopar5287: Mikey1969: nobody else saw what happened. Nobody saw a confrontation

This isn't true. The dead guy's parents witnessed what happened. They give their POV where they try to minimize it by saying it was "a shove" or "an open handed slap" but it's pretty clear that they acknowledge there was some sort of unprovoked assault that happened.


I meant nobody unbiased. Right now it's the parents' word against the cop's.

Mikey1969: he has a conversation with the parents where they try to talk him down

No one said that happened. The parents claim they intervened and were saying things like "our son is sick" and "no one has a weapon" and whatever else. No one said there was an intervening conversation.


The parents are saying it happened. That's two "someones", right there.

Oh, and don't forget the fact that the cop has already changed his story, claiming that the dead guy had a gun:

After the shooting, Sanchez told Corona police and LAPD investigators that when he fell he thought he had been shot and believed he saw French still pointing a gun at him and his son. He pulled out his own gun and fired twice.

Weirdly enough, the dead guy had a face in the back of his head, considering that the cop claims they were face to face, despite 3 shots to the guy's back:

"I remember we were face-to-face and his arm was still extended out, and I believe he still had that same gun, and I fired twice more in his direction at him," Sanchez said.

And then he "doesn't see" the parents, but manages to shoot them also:

Sanchez said he did not see French's parents as he continued firing, sending off a total of 10 rounds into the store full of shoppers.

And then there's the fact that the dead guy was not only shot in the back, but was 20 feet away, at least:

Although Sanchez and his attorney have painted the encounter as a life-or-death struggle, police documents made public in 2019 showed the officer was at least 20 feet from French and his parents when he opened fire.

Manslaughter charges filed against LAPD officer who killed disabled man at Costco - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

And the video here shows just how far away this guy was when the cop shot him in the back

Video Shows Off-Duty LAPD Officer After Corona Costco Shooting - NBC Los Angeles
 
2021-08-10 1:37:25 PM  

Mikey1969: mrmopar5287: Mikey1969: nobody else saw what happened. Nobody saw a confrontation

This isn't true. The dead guy's parents witnessed what happened. They give their POV where they try to minimize it by saying it was "a shove" or "an open handed slap" but it's pretty clear that they acknowledge there was some sort of unprovoked assault that happened.

I meant nobody unbiased. Right now it's the parents' word against the cop's.

Mikey1969: he has a conversation with the parents where they try to talk him down

No one said that happened. The parents claim they intervened and were saying things like "our son is sick" and "no one has a weapon" and whatever else. No one said there was an intervening conversation.

The parents are saying it happened. That's two "someones", right there.

Oh, and don't forget the fact that the cop has already changed his story, claiming that the dead guy had a gun:

After the shooting, Sanchez told Corona police and LAPD investigators that when he fell he thought he had been shot and believed he saw French still pointing a gun at him and his son. He pulled out his own gun and fired twice.

Weirdly enough, the dead guy had a face in the back of his head, considering that the cop claims they were face to face, despite 3 shots to the guy's back:

"I remember we were face-to-face and his arm was still extended out, and I believe he still had that same gun, and I fired twice more in his direction at him," Sanchez said.

And then he "doesn't see" the parents, but manages to shoot them also:

Sanchez said he did not see French's parents as he continued firing, sending off a total of 10 rounds into the store full of shoppers.

And then there's the fact that the dead guy was not only shot in the back, but was 20 feet away, at least:

Although Sanchez and his attorney have painted the encounter as a life-or-death struggle, police documents made public in 2019 showed the officer was at least 20 feet from French and his parents when he opened fire.

Mans ...


I can believe almost everything from both sides.

I can believe there was some sort of abrupt confrontation initiated by the dead guy because the parents admit as much happened. The parents seem to be saying their son randomly assaulted someone and they tried to intervene. The video reporting by KTLA says "witness accounts" where he was punched in the back of the head, so there appears to be witnesses who say that happened.

I can also believe that the guy shooting had tunnel vision and was reacting to an assault that happened quickly and without warning. At least one person said he was punched abruptly and collapsed to where they thought he had a medical emergency, so it appeared to be an assault of at least medium severity. A sucker punch to the back of the head is no joke.
 
2021-08-10 1:51:56 PM  
mrmopar5287: A sucker punch to the back of the head is no joke.


Except that the only people saying that is what happened is the Cop, and you. The cop is lying. He got bumped, or some minor accidental contact was made, and he decided that the most prudent thing to do was empty his weapon at the party that offended him. By his own account he "may have slipped" and thus it would be probable that he bopped his head on the floor. It was in the refrigerated area of the store, the floors are often pretty slippery in there (I know this because I go to Costco about twice a month and the floor in the milk/butter/egg area is often somewhat slick). Remember, he claimed at first that the individual he shot had a weapon and was pointing it at him when he fired his own weapon.

His first reaction was to blindly and in a rage unholster his weapon and fire pretty much randomly at the individual that bumped into him. The entire thing could have been accidental from the beginning.

This is far from the first time a Cop has murdered someone in cold blood, and then try to make himself out to be the hero because of a perceived and therefore entirely subjective personal offense.
 
2021-08-10 1:56:37 PM  

daffy: I feel like I read a different story. This man is holding his daughter while shopping with his family when someone hits him in the head knocking him down with the child. He uses his gun to protect his family and now he is being charged with murder? It appears that he is being charged simply because he is a cop. If he had any other job, I don't think anyone would have wanted his head.


because ending a life is the normal next step in this process.  no need for a jury, execution was merited.
 
2021-08-10 2:07:29 PM  

Deathfrogg: Except that the only people saying that is what happened is the Cop, and you.


No, there are apparently witnesses saying he was punched. The news reports on that in some of their videos.
 
2021-08-10 2:08:24 PM  

Deathfrogg: He got bumped, or some minor accidental contact was made


The parents of the dead guy don't even say that. They acknowledge that there was some unprovoked assault committed by their son.
 
2021-08-10 2:09:14 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: no need for a jury


The thing is, they did send the case to a grand jury. That grand jury had the case for two weeks of review and declined to indict.
 
2021-08-10 2:29:06 PM  

mrmopar5287: I can believe almost everything from both sides.

I can believe there was some sort of abrupt confrontation initiated by the dead guy because the parents admit as much happened. The parents seem to be saying their son randomly assaulted someone and they tried to intervene. The video reporting by KTLA says "witness accounts" where he was punched in the back of the head, so there appears to be witnesses who say that happened.

I can also believe that the guy shooting had tunnel vision and was reacting to an assault that happened quickly and without warning. At least one person said he was punched abruptly and collapsed to where they thought he had a medical emergency, so it appeared to be an assault of at least medium severity. A sucker punch to the back of the head is no joke.


Let me know when you can "believe" that they guy shot this "dangerous individual" 3 times in the back from 20 feet away, because that is what happened, regardless of what he says happened. It's not like there were two shots in the front and one in the back, due to the guy turning as he was shot. All 3 were in his back. The mother was shot in the back also. Since she did nothing to assault the cop, maybe they should instead charge the cop with attempted homicide. Dad, also.
 
2021-08-10 2:43:33 PM  

Mikey1969: attempted homicide


That requires an intent to kill, which can't be proven in this case because he did not intend to shoot either of the parents.
 
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