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2021-08-08 2:38:32 PM  
Because Trump.
 
2021-08-08 2:48:34 PM  
A lot of people just refuse to answer the questions, that is all.
 
2021-08-08 3:02:49 PM  
I would find it endlessly amusing if Trump's attempt to destroy Census and poor data quality resulting in a duller scalpel in the redistricting effort for next year.
 
2021-08-08 3:05:42 PM  
Half of those probably think the gubmint has no right to ask those questions.  The other half have a legitimate fear their answers would be used against them.
 
2021-08-08 3:23:02 PM  
So, it worked as intended.
 
2021-08-08 4:14:16 PM  
FTFA : "They say the Trump administration's attempt to end the count early and failed efforts to put a citizenship question on the form and exclude people who were in the U.S. illegally had a chilling effect"

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I was born in the USA and I was hesitant to fill out stuff about my Hispanic heritage. My mother is a naturalized citizen and she was doubly worried.
 
2021-08-08 4:53:12 PM  
I know, at least in my area, because I was out there beating the bushes for them.  Government mistrust, sown by Trump and others, was a big contributor. If I could get answers of name, DOB and gender with verification of address, that was a positive.  Everything else just caused suspicion and grousing about freedumb among a small segment of the residents.

Plus for at least the first month, 75% of the homes I was sent to said they'd already done it online.  There's a certain subset that said that just to get out of it until they sent the next person, or the next, or the next.  But most of them weren't lying.  It was f'd up big time.
 
2021-08-08 6:17:28 PM  
Had it been a normal year, and had Trump been reelected, this trend would have been used to selectively ignore census results and allocate the "fully responding" population accordingly.
 
2021-08-08 6:56:15 PM  
Fuqit, do it over, if not now after the 2022 election, after the GQP goes down in flames
 
2021-08-08 6:57:11 PM  
This is an affront to history. People 100 years from now will be talking about the 2020 census like we do 1890.

That one was so damaged by a fire so as to be unusable.

Fark those who Fark with history.
 
2021-08-08 7:02:46 PM  
A government-run activity didn't go well? During the reign of the most anti-government president to date?

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2021-08-08 7:03:03 PM  
Don't answer the census? Lose a congressional seat.

/good job NY, you played yourself
 
2021-08-08 7:03:54 PM  
What didn't Trump administration screw up?
 
2021-08-08 7:04:26 PM  
I worked as an enumerator this year.  Can't say why they didn't answer on their own, but I can tell you that the ones who didn't respond at all who I had to go do the questionnaire were (in order of group size):
1) Unaware that the census was a thing.
2) Certain that it was some kind of scam.
3) Concerned about COVID.
4) Possibly undocumented.

In most of those cases, the best I could do was get a number of people and maybe the person I was talking to would give me their name.

/fortunately, most people had just procrastinated and were more than willing to go through with it
//only was threatened with violence twice!
///rural area, though, knew what I was getting into
 
2021-08-08 7:04:33 PM  

LarryDan43: What didn't Trump administration screw up?


Not starting a war? Getting the ball rolling on tariffing the ever loving shiat out of China?
 
2021-08-08 7:04:37 PM  
Because people were scared that his administration would try to deport everyone who had a vaguely Latin name.
 
2021-08-08 7:04:38 PM  

Shaggy_C: This is an affront to history. People 100 years from now will be talking about the 2020 census like we do 1890.

That one was so damaged by a fire so as to be unusable.

Fark those who Fark with history.


Back when  I was in school we had the exciting assignment of taking old local census data and putting it online. This was back long ago in the internet dark ages when Jeeves was still employed. I didn't find it particularly fun but soon after it went up we started getting thanks from genealogists and historians. Filling out census data might seem like a chore but it really does matter.
 
2021-08-08 7:05:08 PM  

ColonelCathcart: Don't answer the census? Lose a congressional seat.

/good job NY, you played yourself


My tongue is not long enough for the length of the Fark You that is in my soul.
 
2021-08-08 7:06:58 PM  

LesterB: ColonelCathcart: Don't answer the census? Lose a congressional seat.

/good job NY, you played yourself

My tongue is not long enough for the length of the Fark You that is in my soul.


10,000 responses. Whoops. There goes a congress seat.

/I wonder if Albany will gerrymander AOC's district
 
2021-08-08 7:09:28 PM  
Residents did not respond to a multitude of questions about sex, race, Hispanic background, family relationships and age, even when providing a count of the number of people living in the home

HUH. Why wouldn't people admit they were Hispanic? He said he assumed some of them were good people!

HMM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/m​o​st-latinos-worry-trump-administration-​could-use-census-against-them-n1134026​
 
2021-08-08 7:14:29 PM  

ColonelCathcart: LarryDan43: What didn't Trump administration screw up?

Not starting a war? Getting the ball rolling on tariffing the ever loving shiat out of China?


Do you know who pays tariffs?
 
2021-08-08 7:16:38 PM  

KiefKommando: ColonelCathcart: LarryDan43: What didn't Trump administration screw up?

Not starting a war? Getting the ball rolling on tariffing the ever loving shiat out of China?

Do you know who pays tariffs?


Mexico?
 
2021-08-08 7:17:24 PM  
How unexpected -- It's almost as if politicizing ethnicity, national origin & citizenship makes people less willing to tell you about theirs.
 
2021-08-08 7:17:35 PM  
So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?
 
2021-08-08 7:19:19 PM  

austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?


Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.
 
2021-08-08 7:23:54 PM  
The bump of no answers is significant. But there's always been people who skip race/ethnicity questions. Even if you try to be color blind, a citizen of the world, got paranoid about the q, or accidentally missed it and left it blank, the census will get you a race.

They'll figure out the racial breakdown of people near you, who did answer the question, and use that to guesstimate the missing data.  Sure, the more people that leave it blank, the less accurately they can fill in the blanks. But they will try.
 
2021-08-08 7:27:22 PM  
I was a supervisor for the 2020 Census for about a year - honestly, way longer than I thought that job was going to last. We legit got to a point where we had so little guidance from above about what we were doing that we were just making it up as we went. Completely farking ridiculous.

I sat in an apartment building and manually deleted 300 apartments from the system because they'd erroneously been listed twice. It took three days.
 
2021-08-08 7:29:32 PM  
This is where some liberal state like Washington needs to get out ahead and declare their population grew 30% in the last decade and they need much more representation in Congress. When people point out that's obviously not true, Washington can tell them all to prove it if they want.

Because the whole point was to misrepresent population to favor Republicans.

So, get right wings to call the numbers BS out of the gate
 
2021-08-08 7:29:47 PM  
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2021-08-08 7:32:34 PM  
I never answer race/ethnicity questions, and my ancestors were here before the US was a country.  This country will never put the race thing behind it as long as they still use race to make decisions.
 
2021-08-08 7:43:14 PM  

jayphat: austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?

Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.


There's nothing against it. It says we need to do it at least every decade. Nothing says we have to wait 10 years if there's a mass casualty event, or mass migratory event, or it is found to be totally farked up because it was screwed with during an attempted fascist overthrow of the nation for the sake of furthering said fascist overthrow.
 
2021-08-08 7:48:41 PM  
I always write in "Beaner". My taxes never change.
 
2021-08-08 7:52:17 PM  
One thing better than leaving questions blank is making up an answer. The only thing better than that is having a sense as to how choosing one answer vs another affects things, and picking the one that benefits you the most, even when it doesn't represent you.

Good luck proving I didn't do both.
 
2021-08-08 7:52:34 PM  

QFarker: I never answer race/ethnicity questions, and my ancestors were here before the US was a country.  This country will never put the race thing behind it as long as they still use race to make decisions.


how will we direct the appropriate amount of funding to the appropriate places to improve the appropriate folks' conditions w/o revealing such answers, given a reality where human beings discriminate based on exactly those things we're asking questions about?
 
2021-08-08 7:54:52 PM  

austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?


I have some good news. Global climate debacle gonna take care of everything. 🤩
 
2021-08-08 7:56:50 PM  

KiefKommando: ColonelCathcart: LarryDan43: What didn't Trump administration screw up?

Not starting a war? Getting the ball rolling on tariffing the ever loving shiat out of China?

Do you know who pays tariffs?


Why hasn't Biden removed basically any of them then?
 
2021-08-08 7:59:29 PM  

jayphat: austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?

Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.


Does it actually prevent it, though? Or is this just another technicality that the Democrats get to use as an excuse not to do anything?
 
2021-08-08 8:00:31 PM  
It makes no sense for the Census to be bungled this badly and to be barred from doing anything about it. There is a compelling state interest in an accurate census.
 
2021-08-08 8:07:35 PM  

KiefKommando: ColonelCathcart: LarryDan43: What didn't Trump administration screw up?

Not starting a war? Getting the ball rolling on tariffing the ever loving shiat out of China?

Do you know who pays tariffs?


Do you know that, until Trump, China had significant tariffs on imports disproportionate to America tariffs.

Simply to encourage domestic production at the expense of American ones.

Want American production to come back? Keep equal tariffs in place until China lowers theirs. Otherwise Americans pay both ways. Lose their jobs and can't export to chinax
 
2021-08-08 8:10:07 PM  
I knew census workers in my neighborhood had to ask neighbors for help to get the bare minimum amount of answers because so many people refused or ignored the census. It angers me enormously that the thing ever got politicized in the first place.
 
2021-08-08 8:19:42 PM  

Myrdinn: Because Trump.


The GOP has been trying to derail the Census for decades, and now that most Muricans have access to the intrawebs, the usual suspects have a fantastic new way to spread their propaganda.   'Patriot' websites and social media have been pushing the lie that the only thing the Census can do is a population count and any other data collected by the Census is 'unconstitutional'.  They have also been telling their constituents that the Census is fake....the numbers are made up, and the data provided by 'real' Americans will be used against them, etc, etc.  Seems they are succeeding.
 
2021-08-08 8:21:18 PM  

austerity101: jayphat: austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?

Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.

Does it actually prevent it, though? Or is this just another technicality that the Democrats get to use as an excuse not to do anything?


Yes
 
2021-08-08 8:23:33 PM  

moothemagiccow: A government-run activity didn't go well? During the reign of the most anti-government president to date?

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He was NOT 'anti government'.  He was, and is, ANTI DEMOCRACY.   Fascism is a form of government.
 
2021-08-08 8:26:35 PM  

jayphat: austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?

Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.


The Census conducts the American Community Survey continuously between the Decennial count.  The ACS asks most of the same questions and more.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​American​_Community_Survey
 
2021-08-08 8:40:12 PM  
I gotta be honest, I was somewhat confused.

Up until the 2000 census, I lived at home and didn't have to worry about it.  In 2000 I had barely gotten out of College and still had roommate issues, didn't have my life together.  No census taker ever showed up, and I totally had other things on my mind.

One showed up when I neglected the 2010 census, though.  As I recall, there was a shiat-ton of very invasive questioning.  Income, ancestry, you name it.  Took quite a long time.

2020 comes around and I have to do it for my elderly relatives that can't read a screen anymore, anyhow, so off I go online... only to find it's like 6 questions that don't go much deeper than "how many?", "how old?", "gender, ethnicity, etc.?"  Nothing about profession or income or anything crazy at all.

I'm starting to think I missed something, but I followed the instructions and went through it 3 times...
 
2021-08-08 8:40:48 PM  
This year it was done in the field with smartphones instead of the paper forms. The smartphone app naturally has an options tree when filling things out, and while very convenient, the app also made the process more rigid and difficult to "fix things later", particularly in light of impatient respondents and the covid-19-wary.
 
2021-08-08 8:43:26 PM  

TheOtherGuy: I gotta be honest, I was somewhat confused.

Up until the 2000 census, I lived at home and didn't have to worry about it.  In 2000 I had barely gotten out of College and still had roommate issues, didn't have my life together.  No census taker ever showed up, and I totally had other things on my mind.

One showed up when I neglected the 2010 census, though.  As I recall, there was a shiat-ton of very invasive questioning.  Income, ancestry, you name it.  Took quite a long time.

2020 comes around and I have to do it for my elderly relatives that can't read a screen anymore, anyhow, so off I go online... only to find it's like 6 questions that don't go much deeper than "how many?", "how old?", "gender, ethnicity, etc.?"  Nothing about profession or income or anything crazy at all.

I'm starting to think I missed something, but I followed the instructions and went through it 3 times...


A small percentage of the surveys are deeper surveys. I think about 1 in 6 are.
 
2021-08-08 8:47:31 PM  

Fissile: jayphat: austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?

Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.

The Census conducts the American Community Survey continuously between the Decennial count.  The ACS asks most of the same questions and more.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A​merican_Community_Survey


Indeed, the BOC has a half dozen or more surveys going at any given time; I worked on two myself, the  American Housing Survey & Survey on Income & Program Participation. There were many similar questions on the enumerating census.

/people's homes can be disgusting
//I never visibly recoiled or put it in my notes, tho
///side of a sofa covered in dried boogers in a home w/ no one under 14
 
2021-08-08 8:53:32 PM  

jayphat: austerity101: So are we gonna redo this, or are we just gonna let rhe Republicans continue to near-irreparably f*ck up our country?

Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.


There's no "constitutional" mechanism needed. The only constitutional requirement is that it be done at least every 10 years.

It is a huge logistic effort to carry out however. I think it would take until 2023 just to prepare another one if we started now.
 
2021-08-08 9:10:09 PM  

jayphat: Problem: there's no constitutional mechanism to redo the census.


Oh bull farking shiat. They do a mini-census like every farking year. It's called the American Community Survey. "It's not particularly mentioned in the Constitution" doesn't stop 99% of government functions from existing. If they actually wanted to do it, they'd find the authority and no one important will really give a shiat.
 
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