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2021-08-06 1:51:50 PM  
I'm sure Trump was thrilled they got gold instead. lol.
 
2021-08-06 1:54:59 PM  
You aint seen nuthin like the mighty Quinn
 
2021-08-06 1:55:02 PM  
You'll not see nothing like the...


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2021-08-06 1:56:08 PM  
Awesome.
 
2021-08-06 2:22:53 PM  
They should really get rid of gendered sports anyways.  Just have one event and everyone competes against each other to be the best human.
 
2021-08-06 3:46:20 PM  
Did Quinn come without or come within?
 
2021-08-06 3:47:15 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Just have one event and everyone competes against each other to be the best human.


Well, second best. Dolly Parton's still around, after all.
 
2021-08-06 3:53:11 PM  
But I thought being woke meant you'd lose?
 
2021-08-06 4:00:31 PM  
The Hero tag is right, but needs more Maple leaves.
 
2021-08-06 4:02:53 PM  
I just want to shake the hands of the probably 20 people who were involved with dancing around pronouns in writing that story, and making it somewhat coherenet.
 
2021-08-06 4:06:17 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: They should really get rid of gendered sports anyways.  Just have one event and everyone competes against each other to be the best human.


I'd like my daughter to play hockey at a competitive level as she gets older, without the opposition holding back or taking her head off on a clean play.

I'm pretty sure she would say the same.
 
2021-08-06 4:08:59 PM  
Also.....and for the love of god i support trans rights but do have some things i'm undecided on when it comes to genetic males competing in women's events and leagues....

Quinn was born a female, competes in a female league, and was on the female olympic team.

This isn't something any side should be hanging their hat on in the debate.
 
2021-08-06 4:20:49 PM  
I'm torn.  As a Canadian I'm glad Canada won gold, but I also am of the opinion people born male shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports against women because as much as some people try to deny it, there is a physical difference between men and women.
 
2021-08-06 4:24:06 PM  

devioustrevor: I'm torn.  As a Canadian I'm glad Canada won gold, but I also am of the opinion people born male shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports against women because as much as some people try to deny it, there is a physical difference between men and women.


Quinn wasn't born male.
 
2021-08-06 4:29:24 PM  

devioustrevor: I'm torn.  As a Canadian I'm glad Canada won gold, but I also am of the opinion people born male shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports against women because as much as some people try to deny it, there is a physical difference between men and women.


Quinn was born female, rose to be prominent as such, competes professionaly in female leagues, and was on the female Olympic team.

I'm all for Quinn identifying how they wish to, applaud Quinn for rising to excellence in their(?) sport, but as a coach who works with kids right around the age of puberty, do have some concerns about genetic males competing in women's events\leagues in many sports. Without sounding like Joe Rogan, there is an inherent biological advantage that almost all of the biological males have in a bunch of key things once they go through puberty.
 
2021-08-06 4:31:04 PM  

devioustrevor: I'm torn.  As a Canadian I'm glad Canada won gold, but I also am of the opinion people born male shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports against women because as much as some people try to deny it, there is a physical difference between men and women.


Quinn is a "non-binary". She's Not Like Other Girls.

As long as there are no steroids involved I don't have a problem with people competing against their biological sex.
 
2021-08-06 4:38:38 PM  

LineNoise: devioustrevor: I'm torn.  As a Canadian I'm glad Canada won gold, but I also am of the opinion people born male shouldn't be allowed to compete in sports against women because as much as some people try to deny it, there is a physical difference between men and women.

Quinn was born female, rose to be prominent as such, competes professionaly in female leagues, and was on the female Olympic team.

I'm all for Quinn identifying how they wish to, applaud Quinn for rising to excellence in their(?) sport, but as a coach who works with kids right around the age of puberty, do have some concerns about genetic males competing in women's events\leagues in many sports. Without sounding like Joe Rogan, there is an inherent biological advantage that almost all of the biological males have in a bunch of key things once they go through puberty.


If Quinn was born female and competes with females, this is a very strange thing to 'celebrate' and has fark all to do with the team or the Olympic Games.
 
2021-08-06 4:41:11 PM  
She was born female and competed in Female teams.. well thats a very different thing and good for the person mentioned.
Cuz if it was the other way around I'd say thats bullshiat and SouthPark ready did it.
Probably language - not sure, haven't watched it in a long time
"Go, Strong Woman, Go" (Original Music) - SOUTH PARK
Youtube URz-RYEOaig
 
2021-08-06 4:41:52 PM  

Marshmallow Jones: If Quinn was born female and competes with females, this is a very strange thing to 'celebrate' and has fark all to do with the team or the Olympic Games.


You must be new here.
 
2021-08-06 4:55:28 PM  
I'll give the boring but i find it amusing story of the kid i called "long arms" who i coached about a dozen years ago.

Long arms was a average hockey player for his age. He could skate, nothing special, but covered the bases. Same on everything else. You weren't sad you got stuck with long arms. he was a great kid, hard worker, passion for the game, but he wasn't going to carry anyone to greatness.

I coached him for 2 years on and off. One may i said goodbye, have a great summer to long arms. He wasn't long arms then. He was just Todd.

Kid comes back in septermber and, yeah, now you are long arms. Like freakishly long arms. Like, if it was a hundred years ago, i wouldn't be coaching you, i'd be setting you up in a tent and charging a nickel for people to see you.

Me: Dude, lets start working on defense drills....
LongArms:  But i'm a forward
Me: DUDE YOUR ARMS.

That kid probably could have a had a free ride through a div one college just on his average skills and freakish reach. Wanted to be a forward though. I make it a policy not to pressure parents, but i made a but of an exception to be...."uhhh....yeah.....you might want to mention to him he is built for a position..."

Long Arms did fine just on his own, and is now back working with our league. Still didn't grow into them. Didn't get a free ride through college. I remind him of it constantly.

My point being long arms would have been a monster out there, and just shut everyone down in our league if he learned to play the position. And yeah, he did nothing other than be born with freekishly long arms, but he was the one in a million, and still had to work to play at his level. A guy playing against girls is a whole other level, and i say that as someone who has a daughter who is very talented in sports.
 
2021-08-06 5:18:35 PM  
I love that the Canadian Women's soccer team managed to win the gold medal and in the entire knockout stage they did not score a single goal in regular play, with their two goals both coming on penalty kicks and winning two few in shoot outs.

They had two wins without needing shootouts and their six goals for were ninth out of the twelve teams (and the three teams below the played 3 or 4 games compared to Canada's 12 games).

Suffice it to say, the defensive side did a heck of a job in that tournament.
 
2021-08-06 5:25:44 PM  

TotallyRealNotFake: She was born female and competed in Female teams.. well thats a very different thing and good for the person mentioned.
Cuz if it was the other way around I'd say thats bullshiat and SouthPark ready did it.
Probably language - not sure, haven't watched it in a long time
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/URz-RYEO​aig]


That episode was bullshiat. There are no trans females in sports that are competing during the transition process. I think this episode is based on a trans woman that is a power lifter. She came out as trans, and some stupid people on the internet were using her as a reason why trans people should no compete in sports. However, that trans woman never competed in women's sports, only male and trans sports. There was a trans woman competing in some sort of weight lifting category, but didn't even past the pretrials. Trans women need to be on testosterone blockers, and hormone replacement therapy to start the transition process. It takes at least 2 years for their bodies to transition into normal hormone levels a cis gendered woman. During that process they lose muscle mass, and their bodies are just the same as their cis counter parts. Trans people who transition during puberty are going to grow up to be exactly the same as their cis counter parts. You could not tell a trans person and their cis counter part a part from each other.

It is always about trans women competing, never trans men. There is way more transphobia, and misinformation towards trans women compared to trans men. Then you have the other issue where people consider trans men as butch lesbians. Also non binary people are considered trans.

D'Angleo Wallce did a good video on how the spread of misinformation on the female trans person in question. A right wing trans woman named Blaire White helped spread that shiat.

The Disappearance of Blaire White
Youtube S4qvPouh1gE
 
2021-08-06 5:38:50 PM  
So, what is the difference between Quinn and a regular lesbian?
 
2021-08-06 5:42:42 PM  

caljar: So, what is the difference between Quinn and a regular lesbian?


Quinn is non binary, and uses they them pronouns. That has nothing to do with their sexual orientation.
 
2021-08-06 6:12:23 PM  

LineNoise: The Googles Do Nothing: They should really get rid of gendered sports anyways.  Just have one event and everyone competes against each other to be the best human.

I'd like my daughter to play hockey at a competitive level as she gets older, without the opposition holding back or taking her head off on a clean play.

I'm pretty sure she would say the same.


Should have thought of that before choosing to be a human.
 
2021-08-06 7:11:06 PM  
I felt like I was having a stroke reading that article.  It didn't make any sense until about third or fourth paragraph.
 
2021-08-06 8:45:25 PM  
Can someone explain the timeline? Was she born female? Male? Then what? Seriously...I don't follow. My understanding is she was born a female then identified as non binary? Why would anyone be upset with that?
 
2021-08-06 9:27:11 PM  

MizzouGuy: Can someone explain the timeline? Was she born female? Male? Then what? Seriously...I don't follow. My understanding is she was born a female then identified as non binary? Why would anyone be upset with that?


People are just pissed that trans people are in sports. They were born female, and does identify as non binary, which is under the trans umbrella. There was a trans female in I think weight lifting at the Olympics, but she failed in the qualifying rounds. Which kind of proves that people who fully transition hormone wise does not have any advantage compared to their cis counter parts. There was some outraged on Twitter about her, but since she failed, people quit giving a shiat.
 
2021-08-06 10:48:22 PM  

demonfaerie: but she failed in the qualifying rounds. Which kind of proves that people who fully transition hormone wise does not have any advantage compared to their cis counter parts. There was some outraged on Twitter about her, but since she failed, people quit giving a shiat.


1 data point provesliterally nothing. I'm not even saying it's going to be wrong in the end, but we can't use literally 1 data point to prove anything.
 
2021-08-06 11:28:49 PM  

Bootysama: demonfaerie: but she failed in the qualifying rounds. Which kind of proves that people who fully transition hormone wise does not have any advantage compared to their cis counter parts. There was some outraged on Twitter about her, but since she failed, people quit giving a shiat.

1 data point provesliterally nothing. I'm not even saying it's going to be wrong in the end, but we can't use literally 1 data point to prove anything.


It isn't one data point, the fact that there was only one woman at these games shows how there are virtually no trans women competing at the top levels. If it was easy to declare yourself to be trans and win sporting events I guarantee you there would be a ton of trans people in top level womens sports.
 
2021-08-07 1:39:11 AM  

dywed88: Bootysama: demonfaerie: but she failed in the qualifying rounds. Which kind of proves that people who fully transition hormone wise does not have any advantage compared to their cis counter parts. There was some outraged on Twitter about her, but since she failed, people quit giving a shiat.

1 data point provesliterally nothing. I'm not even saying it's going to be wrong in the end, but we can't use literally 1 data point to prove anything.

It isn't one data point, the fact that there was only one woman at these games shows how there are virtually no trans women competing at the top levels. If it was easy to declare yourself to be trans and win sporting events I guarantee you there would be a ton of trans people in top level womens sports.


Well, most trans people aren't interested and lack the requisite athleticism, but besides hormone levels there are a number of things that give biological men an unfair advantage in strength and explosiveness related to tendon attach points, joint layout and pelvis dimensions.  In, like, a 5K this is all probably meaningless.  In a powerlifting match or 100m dash, I'm not so sure.

I don't happen to think this is a big deal right now - there are effectively zero trans athletes competing at meaningful stakes and everyone should be welcome to play sports - but in the back of my mind a jacked GQP troll dude basically doing the South Park episode thing is a possibility.  I am very much in favor of trans people choosing their gender but I also don't want that to be a vector for physical trolling.
 
2021-08-07 2:28:39 AM  

LineNoise: The Googles Do Nothing: They should really get rid of gendered sports anyways.  Just have one event and everyone competes against each other to be the best human.

I'd like my daughter to play hockey at a competitive level as she gets older, without the opposition holding back or taking her head off on a clean play.

I'm pretty sure she would say the same.


I am not going to address other issues you have in later posts, but, many years ago , I had to ask about checking a couple of 12 and 13 year old girls , and same aged boys. The boys were the sons of the rink manager, the girls were advanced players. Sean told me just keep it clean.
Hipchecks and bodychecks were on order that day, and I would like to think those kids learned - I was not there to hurt them, but to show how to avoid a larger person in a tight space. They certainly learned how to pass better and stay out of harms way.

Gawds ! I miss teaching hockey.
 
2021-08-07 2:33:09 AM  
Oh, I did not hit those kids as hard as I could. I might be a monster but I am not a cruel one.
 
2021-08-07 8:51:00 AM  
So if I'm reading this alphabet soup of pronouns in the article correctly, Quinn was born a female, hasn't changed their body through surgery or hormones and is just calling themselves non-binary and playing in women's leagues?

I'm falling to see why people are getting upset. There have been no physiological changes or advantages made.
 
2021-08-07 9:33:07 AM  

dywed88: Bootysama: demonfaerie: but she failed in the qualifying rounds. Which kind of proves that people who fully transition hormone wise does not have any advantage compared to their cis counter parts. There was some outraged on Twitter about her, but since she failed, people quit giving a shiat.

1 data point provesliterally nothing. I'm not even saying it's going to be wrong in the end, but we can't use literally 1 data point to prove anything.

It isn't one data point, the fact that there was only one woman at these games shows how there are virtually no trans women competing at the top levels. If it was easy to declare yourself to be trans and win sporting events I guarantee you there would be a ton of trans people in top level womens sports.


Narrator: Oh, but it is one data point.
 
2021-08-07 1:24:24 PM  

OptionC: dywed88: Bootysama: demonfaerie: but she failed in the qualifying rounds. Which kind of proves that people who fully transition hormone wise does not have any advantage compared to their cis counter parts. There was some outraged on Twitter about her, but since she failed, people quit giving a shiat.

1 data point provesliterally nothing. I'm not even saying it's going to be wrong in the end, but we can't use literally 1 data point to prove anything.

It isn't one data point, the fact that there was only one woman at these games shows how there are virtually no trans women competing at the top levels. If it was easy to declare yourself to be trans and win sporting events I guarantee you there would be a ton of trans people in top level womens sports.

Well, most trans people aren't interested and lack the requisite athleticism, but besides hormone levels there are a number of things that give biological men an unfair advantage in strength and explosiveness related to tendon attach points, joint layout and pelvis dimensions.  In, like, a 5K this is all probably meaningless.  In a powerlifting match or 100m dash, I'm not so sure.

I don't happen to think this is a big deal right now - there are effectively zero trans athletes competing at meaningful stakes and everyone should be welcome to play sports - but in the back of my mind a jacked GQP troll dude basically doing the South Park episode thing is a possibility.  I am very much in favor of trans people choosing their gender but I also don't want that to be a vector for physical trolling.


The South Park character could never happen in real sports, because there are rules in place for trans athletes to do in order to compete. Lets be real here, people only care about trans women playing in women sports, not trans men playing in men sports. People care about the poor women competing in sports getting beaten by a "man". In reality this isn't an issue. Trans women needs at least 2 years to transition with hormones, and by that time their bodies are just like their cis counter parts. Also, only a few people care about trans adults in sports, they more care about their poor sweet daughters in high school competing against trans girls, except trans boys are being forced to compete against the girls.
 
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