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(KIRO-7 Seattle)   If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound? If a non-permitted shack built illegally in the woods by a squatter 'mysteriously' bursts into flames, is it arson? 'River Dave' in a position to answer the second question   (kiro7.com) divider line
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2021-08-05 1:20:55 PM  
how many times are we greenlighting this arson?
 
2021-08-05 1:24:15 PM  
If we get one more River Dave greenlight, he's going to find a forever home. Please forward!
 
2021-08-05 1:48:52 PM  

vudukungfu: how many times are we greenlighting this arson?


Three and counting!
 
2021-08-05 1:51:48 PM  
And then the murders started...
 
2021-08-05 1:52:13 PM  
It's almost like someone isn't getting the right answer about what to do with a hermit
 
2021-08-05 1:53:31 PM  
On the one hand, I agree with the land owner. I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.
On the other hand, how the hell do you not know that somebody build a 2.5 story cabin with all that crap around it, and is living on your property? When even the locals know the guy well enough to give him a quirky nickname. If you don't even look at your property then maybe you deserve to lose it to squatters.
 
2021-08-05 1:53:35 PM  
He'll have plenty of time to answer that when he's living in a van down by the river
 
2021-08-05 1:53:39 PM  
Is it wrong that I want to smack News 7's website designer in the feels?
 
2021-08-05 1:59:06 PM  
I know a guy that dealt with a hobo camp on his property by making a giant sling shot, and launching 5 pound bags of sugar into their camp. Turns out that in Florida, when you spread a bunch of sugar all over the ground...
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..and all manner of pests that like sweet stuff in the dirt.
 
2021-08-05 1:59:15 PM  
River Dave in still in jail isn't he? Why would he have to answer the second question?
 
2021-08-05 2:01:05 PM  

RevengeOfOkonkwo: River Dave in still in jail isn't he? Why would he have to answer the second question?


That's what the murders were about.

When River Dave asks you a question he expects an answer...
 
2021-08-05 2:01:29 PM  
People when it's not their stuff:  He's not hurting anything.
People when it's their stuff:  Um, that's mine.. leave it alone.
 
2021-08-05 2:02:05 PM  

maxandgrinch: It's almost like someone isn't getting the right answer about what to do with a hermit


Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Way hay and up she rises
Er-lie in the morning!
 
2021-08-05 2:11:05 PM  

Begoggle: On the one hand, I agree with the land owner. I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.
On the other hand, how the hell do you not know that somebody build a 2.5 story cabin with all that crap around it, and is living on your property? When even the locals know the guy well enough to give him a quirky nickname. If you don't even look at your property then maybe you deserve to lose it to squatters.


If you're an American you're saying this on the land that it isn't yours.
 
2021-08-05 2:12:11 PM  
No human being, or their unpermitted, unapproved, unauthorized cabin, is illegal.
 
2021-08-05 2:17:07 PM  

Begoggle: On the one hand, I agree with the land owner. I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.
On the other hand, how the hell do you not know that somebody build a 2.5 story cabin with all that crap around it, and is living on your property? When even the locals know the guy well enough to give him a quirky nickname. If you don't even look at your property then maybe you deserve to lose it to squatters.


Because many families own property that's passed down that rarely gets visited.
 
2021-08-05 2:19:49 PM  
There once was a hermit named Dave...
 
2021-08-05 2:21:42 PM  
Boys will be boys... he was just arson around.
 
2021-08-05 2:28:09 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: There once was a hermit named Dave...


Who was forced to live in a cave.
 
2021-08-05 2:28:41 PM  
What about his cat and his chickens?

One of the other greened things mentioned that he had a cat and some chickens. I want to know that they're okay.
 
2021-08-05 2:29:15 PM  
Imagine owning so much land in a developed, Northeast state, that you don't even know when someone is living in a two story house with several outbuildings around it for years.
 
2021-08-05 2:29:44 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: There once was a hermit named Dave...


Who kept subby's mom in a cave...
 
2021-08-05 2:32:12 PM  
Dave's not here!
 
2021-08-05 2:33:09 PM  
Being off the grid used to be called being a hillbilly.
 
2021-08-05 2:35:26 PM  

waxbeans: Begoggle: On the one hand, I agree with the land owner. I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.
On the other hand, how the hell do you not know that somebody build a 2.5 story cabin with all that crap around it, and is living on your property? When even the locals know the guy well enough to give him a quirky nickname. If you don't even look at your property then maybe you deserve to lose it to squatters.

If you're an American you're saying this on the land that it isn't yours.


I once saw a T-shirt that had a picture of a Native American that said "You should have fought harder." Every time someone mentions that America is one giant Native American graveyard, it makes me think of that shirt.
 
2021-08-05 2:35:56 PM  
Has he tried living in the river?
 
2021-08-05 2:36:04 PM  

mongbiohazard: Imagine owning so much land in a developed, Northeast state, that you don't even know when someone is living in a two story house with several outbuildings around it for years.


Place a The Hunt reference here. 😁
 
2021-08-05 2:44:49 PM  
If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.
 
2021-08-05 2:44:52 PM  

Begoggle: On the one hand, I agree with the land owner. I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.
On the other hand, how the hell do you not know that somebody build a 2.5 story cabin with all that crap around it, and is living on your property? When even the locals know the guy well enough to give him a quirky nickname. If you don't even look at your property then maybe you deserve to lose it to squatters.


TIL New Hampshire, the "live free or die" state, apparently doesn't have squatters rights like Massachusetts.

Not surprising, they talk a big game but in the end that's all it really is (property taxes, cheap socialist taxes, fees fees fees).
 
2021-08-05 2:45:20 PM  

Kalyco Jack: Madman drummers bummers: There once was a hermit named Dave...

Who kept subby's mom in a cave...


He said with a grunt ...
 
2021-08-05 2:46:08 PM  

GregInIndy: If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.


Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner
 
2021-08-05 2:47:32 PM  

waxbeans: GregInIndy: If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.

Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner


By and large Americans LOVE punching down, and we love it when people we can't empathize with are made to suffer.
 
2021-08-05 2:48:16 PM  

special20: I know a guy that dealt with a hobo camp on his property by making a giant sling shot, and launching 5 pound bags of sugar into their camp. Turns out that in Florida, when you spread a bunch of sugar all over the ground...
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..and all manner of pests that like sweet stuff in the dirt.


We really could have used that 100 years ago to get rid of the crackers before they morphed into their true form as Florida men.
 
2021-08-05 2:49:03 PM  

waxbeans: GregInIndy: If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.

Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner


I don't see you inviting River Dave to come set up a squatter's cabin in your backyard either, do I.
 
2021-08-05 2:52:19 PM  

mongbiohazard: . You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.

Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner

By and large Americans LOVE punching down, and we love it when people we can't empathize with are made to suffer.


Yep yep
 
2021-08-05 2:53:10 PM  

GregInIndy: waxbeans: GregInIndy: If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.

Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner

I don't see you inviting River Dave to come set up a squatter's cabin in your backyard either, do I.


Sorry but I don't actually believe in landownership and also I don't believe in owning a home.
I live in an apartment but he's welcome to my patio if the complex doesn't kick us both out.
 
2021-08-05 2:53:11 PM  

GregInIndy: waxbeans: GregInIndy: If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.

Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner

I don't see you inviting River Dave to come set up a squatter's cabin in your backyard either, do I.


If I had a few acres of woods I would let him stay here.  Especially if I had 70 plus acres and didn't know the guy had been there for over 20 years.
 
2021-08-05 2:57:00 PM  

alphamike77: Kalyco Jack: Madman drummers bummers: There once was a hermit named Dave...

Who kept subby's mom in a cave...

He said with a grunt


"It's a real cunning stunt

But twer hat'll put gree in the mave!"
 
2021-08-05 2:57:45 PM  

waxbeans: Begoggle: On the one hand, I agree with the land owner. I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.
On the other hand, how the hell do you not know that somebody build a 2.5 story cabin with all that crap around it, and is living on your property? When even the locals know the guy well enough to give him a quirky nickname. If you don't even look at your property then maybe you deserve to lose it to squatters.

If you're an American you're saying this on the land that it isn't yours.


fark off with that. If you're human you're very likely saying it on land that has been taken from another group at some point in time.
 
2021-08-05 2:59:09 PM  

waxbeans: Sorry but I don't actually believe in landownership and also I don't believe in owning a home.
I live in an apartment but he's welcome to my patio if the complex doesn't kick us both out.


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2021-08-05 3:01:26 PM  

Begoggle: I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.


I know.
I mean can you imagine a bunch of dirty squatters coming over and getting all up in your real estate?
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2021-08-05 3:02:06 PM  

Kalyco Jack: vudukungfu: how many times are we greenlighting this arson?

Three and counting!


I've only noticed the two...the 'hermit' one and this one.

The only 'third' one I'm aware of did not originally include the arson portion of the developing story.
 
2021-08-05 3:02:42 PM  

waxbeans: GregInIndy: waxbeans: GregInIndy: If you burn down an uninsured structure on your own property to eliminate it or clear land, is it even arson? Burning down one's own structures on farmland is historically part of clearing land, and back when metalwork cost more than it does now it would be done to retrieve & re-use the nails, etc.

If the property owner can demonstrate the structure was on his land and belonged to him and not Dave, I'd argue it's not actually arson. You do have a certain right to destroy your own property.

Got to love all the people carrying water for the landowner

I don't see you inviting River Dave to come set up a squatter's cabin in your backyard either, do I.

Sorry but I don't actually believe in landownership and also I don't believe in owning a home.
I live in an apartment but he's welcome to my patio if the complex doesn't kick us both out.


so you pay rent to a guy who does believe ?

/yeah, that makes sense
 
2021-08-05 3:06:08 PM  
It turns out your shiat on someone else's land is still your shiat.

If I drive my car and camp on someone else's land they still don't get to torch it all.
 
2021-08-05 3:10:47 PM  

GregInIndy: waxbeans: Sorry but I don't actually believe in landownership and also I don't believe in owning a home.
I live in an apartment but he's welcome to my patio if the complex doesn't kick us both out.

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🙄

/
Actually.
Over the last 28 years I've won the lottery and given the tickets to girlfriends. 4 times.
 
2021-08-05 3:11:05 PM  

dothemath: Begoggle: I wouldn't want somebody living on my property either.

I know.
I mean can you imagine a bunch of dirty squatters coming over and getting all up in your real estate?
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THIS.
 
2021-08-05 3:13:18 PM  
I would check out the land owner's alibi very carefully.
 
2021-08-05 3:14:02 PM  
Thoreau would be proud
 
2021-08-05 3:14:44 PM  

alphamike77: Kalyco Jack: Madman drummers bummers: There once was a hermit named Dave...

Who kept subby's mom in a cave...

He said with a grunt ...


Or perhaps a groont, in this case
 
2021-08-05 3:15:18 PM  

petec: .

so you pay rent to a guy who does believe ?

/yeah, that makes sense


I don't like cutting the grass.
I don't like doing handy work.
I love keeping my apartment at 69°F.
I love knowing once I pay the rent I can blow the rest of my paychecks.
I ALSO love being able to tell people where I live and it means nothing because there are four apartment complexes in the immediate area.
So telling somebody the cross streets I live near means almost nothing. Hell each Street leading to this area has apartments too.
 
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