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2021-08-05 2:29:39 AM  
The latest data also found that Sinovac has an 86% effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations, 89.7% in preventing admission to intensive care units and 86% in preventing COVID deaths.

So, there's that too.
 
2021-08-05 3:57:42 AM  
Sinovac?

...
 
2021-08-05 4:08:19 AM  
It sounds like a Novage
 
2021-08-05 4:32:48 AM  
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2021-08-05 4:33:53 AM  
Were they using Steiner math
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2021-08-05 4:40:07 AM  
Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.
 
2021-08-05 4:40:09 AM  
It can save a bunch of people.

/Where would you like them saved?
 
2021-08-05 4:54:33 AM  

Curt Blizzah: It can save a bunch of people.

/Where would you like them saved?


/Volumes/furriners
 
2021-08-05 5:08:26 AM  
similar to that used in COVID-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna.

Uh no, BioNTech developed the first one as well. Which is like why the Chinese is collaborating with them, not Pfizer.

The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta, but I guess China wants their own.

The Russian Sputnik V, the one they released without really testing it to be first, is 89% against Delta, almost as good as BioNTech which is 91% as I recall.

Sputnik can be freeze-dried though, and then activated by adding sterile water. This is a massive advantage for countries that some would refer to as shiat holes, as you don't have to use it immediately, or store at super cold conditions.

Russia must not be producing enough though, why else would any nation choose the shiattiest version.

If 100% gets vaccinated, but it only works 58% of the time, and vaccinated people can still get it and/or be carriers. Is it even possible to achieve horde immunity under the unrealistic circumstances that you do get 100%?
 
2021-08-05 5:24:01 AM  

adamatari: Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.


Yeah, Denmark has kindly donated its millions of Astra Zenica vaccines, which we figured out were shiat even before we learned it did not work very well against Delta.

Its better than nothing, and actually if you had Astra Zenica, you only need one BioNTech booster.


BTW. Remember how all those Brexiters gloated that the fact that only Israel had a higher vaccination rate proved that EU sucked?

Originally they claimed 60%, but now they're super positive and claim 67%. Whilst the EU developed BioNTech works.

So what's the UKs plan? Die to spite the EU, or purchase the one developed in the EU? I bet on them just dying out of spite.
 
2021-08-05 5:36:31 AM  
What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?
 
2021-08-05 5:37:42 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: similar to that used in COVID-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna.

Uh no, BioNTech developed the first one as well. Which is like why the Chinese is collaborating with them, not Pfizer.

The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta, but I guess China wants their own.

The Russian Sputnik V, the one they released without really testing it to be first, is 89% against Delta, almost as good as BioNTech which is 91% as I recall.

Sputnik can be freeze-dried though, and then activated by adding sterile water. This is a massive advantage for countries that some would refer to as shiat holes, as you don't have to use it immediately, or store at super cold conditions.

Russia must not be producing enough though, why else would any nation choose the shiattiest version.

If 100% gets vaccinated, but it only works 58% of the time, and vaccinated people can still get it and/or be carriers. Is it even possible to achieve horde immunity under the unrealistic circumstances that you do get 100%?


Lol, horde immunity is what the anti-vaxxers will eventually inspire society to develop to destroy them.

Herd immunity is what epidemiologists can talk about.

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine.
 
2021-08-05 5:48:57 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta


My vaccination card says I received the "Pfizer/BioNTech".

I wasn't aware it was already shown to be so effective against the delta variant.

Great!
 
2021-08-05 6:12:04 AM  

kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?


High end machinery and products. China will make anything at the quality level the price point demands. If all you keep buying is the version offered at Walmart/Amazon because it is the cheapest, don't be surprised when you get what you paid for.
 
2021-08-05 6:32:33 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: similar to that used in COVID-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna.

Uh no, BioNTech developed the first one as well. Which is like why the Chinese is collaborating with them, not Pfizer.

The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta, but I guess China wants their own.

The Russian Sputnik V, the one they released without really testing it to be first, is 89% against Delta, almost as good as BioNTech which is 91% as I recall.

Sputnik can be freeze-dried though, and then activated by adding sterile water. This is a massive advantage for countries that some would refer to as shiat holes, as you don't have to use it immediately, or store at super cold conditions.

Russia must not be producing enough though, why else would any nation choose the shiattiest version.

If 100% gets vaccinated, but it only works 58% of the time, and vaccinated people can still get it and/or be carriers. Is it even possible to achieve horde immunity under the unrealistic circumstances that you do get 100%?


What happens when you haven't achieved horde immunity.
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2021-08-05 6:34:26 AM  

kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?


Taiwan?
 
2021-08-05 6:35:39 AM  
Did they pull the usual Chinese trick and steal the formula for Pfizer and then leave out like 20% of the ingredients to save cost?
 
2021-08-05 6:37:41 AM  

kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?


COVID-19?
 
2021-08-05 6:40:16 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Ketchuponsteak: similar to that used in COVID-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer and Moderna.

Uh no, BioNTech developed the first one as well. Which is like why the Chinese is collaborating with them, not Pfizer.

The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta, but I guess China wants their own.

The Russian Sputnik V, the one they released without really testing it to be first, is 89% against Delta, almost as good as BioNTech which is 91% as I recall.

Sputnik can be freeze-dried though, and then activated by adding sterile water. This is a massive advantage for countries that some would refer to as shiat holes, as you don't have to use it immediately, or store at super cold conditions.

Russia must not be producing enough though, why else would any nation choose the shiattiest version.

If 100% gets vaccinated, but it only works 58% of the time, and vaccinated people can still get it and/or be carriers. Is it even possible to achieve horde immunity under the unrealistic circumstances that you do get 100%?

Lol, horde immunity is what the anti-vaxxers will eventually inspire society to develop to destroy them.

Herd immunity is what epidemiologists can talk about.

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine.


For the Horde!

Yeah, I meant herd. ;)
 
2021-08-05 6:40:52 AM  

puffy999: Sinovac?

...


Sounds like a device to clean out your sinuses.
 
2021-08-05 6:46:09 AM  

ISO15693: Ketchuponsteak: The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta

My vaccination card says I received the "Pfizer/BioNTech".

I wasn't aware it was already shown to be so effective against the delta variant.

Great!


Apparently the mRNA ones are, and this is the first time this has been used, well, by the three vaccines that also work against Delta.

The other ones use the old technique were you inject a weakened virus, to train you immune system.

Its well known that the latter technique does not handle mutations well, ie., why you need a flu shot every year because it mutated.

Astra Zenica and the Chinese one weren't good to begin with anyway. But they do make the disease milder I hear.
 
2021-08-05 6:48:00 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: adamatari: Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.

Yeah, Denmark has kindly donated its millions of Astra Zenica vaccines, which we figured out were shiat even before we learned it did not work very well against Delta.

Its better than nothing, and actually if you had Astra Zenica, you only need one BioNTech booster.


BTW. Remember how all those Brexiters gloated that the fact that only Israel had a higher vaccination rate proved that EU sucked?

Originally they claimed 60%, but now they're super positive and claim 67%. Whilst the EU developed BioNTech works.

So what's the UKs plan? Die to spite the EU, or purchase the one developed in the EU? I bet on them just dying out of spite.


We seem to be getting over the Delta peak, case rates have been reducing for about a week now so hopefully the death rate will follow suit soon. As ever it was the unvaccinated that bore the brunt of the deaths. The UK has always been using Pfizer, by the way. Your constant concern for the citizens  of the UK is noted as well.
 
2021-08-05 6:52:32 AM  

kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?


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2021-08-05 6:54:42 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: ISO15693: Ketchuponsteak:

Astra Zenica and the Chinese one weren't good to begin with anyway. But they do make the disease milder I hear.


This is literally how every vaccine works. It's just a matter of degree.
 
2021-08-05 7:02:25 AM  
I mean, every little bit helps, but fer fark's sake, Zchyna is everything you make cheap and shoddy?
 
2021-08-05 7:28:01 AM  

I'm no expert but...: Ketchuponsteak: adamatari: Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.

Yeah, Denmark has kindly donated its millions of Astra Zenica vaccines, which we figured out were shiat even before we learned it did not work very well against Delta.

Its better than nothing, and actually if you had Astra Zenica, you only need one BioNTech booster.


BTW. Remember how all those Brexiters gloated that the fact that only Israel had a higher vaccination rate proved that EU sucked?

Originally they claimed 60%, but now they're super positive and claim 67%. Whilst the EU developed BioNTech works.

So what's the UKs plan? Die to spite the EU, or purchase the one developed in the EU? I bet on them just dying out of spite.

We seem to be getting over the Delta peak, case rates have been reducing for about a week now so hopefully the death rate will follow suit soon. As ever it was the unvaccinated that bore the brunt of the deaths. The UK has always been using Pfizer, by the way. Your constant concern for the citizens  of the UK is noted as well.


I lived in Milton Keynes (Wolverton to be moe exact), on a work related assignment.

Nice and interesting place.

People were very friendly, especially the immigrants, and their descentants. It probably helped even more that I was the only white person who would acknowledge their existance, and use their stores.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixy_​C​hicken

I can really recommend Dixy Chicken. Pakistani halal chain. Their chilly sauce is the best I tasted. (only white costumer of course, I are there every second day about).

But sure, wish you well, maybe ditch the apartheid.
 
2021-08-05 7:36:17 AM  

BafflerMeal: Ketchuponsteak: ISO15693: Ketchuponsteak:

Astra Zenica and the Chinese one weren't good to begin with anyway. But they do make the disease milder I hear.

This is literally how every vaccine works. It's just a matter of degree.


Sure. But the new mRNA type adds an extra element, in that, so far, they work more or less the same against mutations.

And perhaps, like how Astra Zenica was first reported 60% now 67%. The Chinese numbers are fluctusting as well.

The 2% difference reported could be the same phenonemon, while reality is they work identically, just, those numbers are seemingly hard to get precise. Next time they test, we'll probably get a new number?
 
2021-08-05 7:56:02 AM  

BafflerMeal: Ketchuponsteak: ISO15693: Ketchuponsteak:

Astra Zenica and the Chinese one weren't good to begin with anyway. But they do make the disease milder I hear.

This is literally how every vaccine works. It's just a matter of degree.


Actually funny, I spoke with an Indian scammer for about half an hour, explaining him the difference between vaccines.

Oh, and then I said thx for the chat, have a nice day, he said the same, and hung up. Didn't try to make me invest in their trading platform (thats the scam, you send them money, and they'll also need copies of all your personal documents (thats the law they say, because of white washing/tax Fraud), obviously your bank info so they can transfer money. Probably the backside of your Credit card.)

Sometimes I chat with them if I am bored.

He was flabbergasted that I knew all this. Huh? Like, I weren't telling him anything that wasn't available in this and similar articles, I assumed it was common knowledge.

Anyways, he was very worried about the Delta variant, for himself and family. He had access to the Chinese vaccine, and well, I informed him it was shiat. But, even if it doesn't work, its likely the difference between just becomming sick, or risking going on a ventilator (that's death in India), that made him happy, because it was the prospect of death that scared him. He would attempt to get one of the big three as his booster, but fark knows when they'll get access to them.
 
2021-08-05 7:56:44 AM  

BafflerMeal: kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?

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Please, he couldn't even beat a coked up Belgian.
 
2021-08-05 7:59:53 AM  

Druid5: BafflerMeal: kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?

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Please, he couldn't even beat a coked up Belgian.


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2021-08-05 8:00:25 AM  

ISO15693: Ketchuponsteak: The BioNTech vaccine already works fine against Delta

My vaccination card says I received the "Pfizer/BioNTech".

I wasn't aware it was already shown to be so effective against the delta variant.

Great!


It was developed by BioNTech and manufactured by Pfeizer in Michigan.
 
2021-08-05 8:03:07 AM  

kdawg7736: What is the last thing Made in China that is high quality?


They just about perfected mass murder and genocide. Saves a lot of materiel costs if you just starve all your victims.
 
2021-08-05 8:05:42 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: I'm no expert but...: Ketchuponsteak: adamatari: Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.

Yeah, Denmark has kindly donated its millions of Astra Zenica vaccines, which we figured out were shiat even before we learned it did not work very well against Delta.

Its better than nothing, and actually if you had Astra Zenica, you only need one BioNTech booster.


BTW. Remember how all those Brexiters gloated that the fact that only Israel had a higher vaccination rate proved that EU sucked?

Originally they claimed 60%, but now they're super positive and claim 67%. Whilst the EU developed BioNTech works.

So what's the UKs plan? Die to spite the EU, or purchase the one developed in the EU? I bet on them just dying out of spite.

We seem to be getting over the Delta peak, case rates have been reducing for about a week now so hopefully the death rate will follow suit soon. As ever it was the unvaccinated that bore the brunt of the deaths. The UK has always been using Pfizer, by the way. Your constant concern for the citizens  of the UK is noted as well.

I lived in Milton Keynes (Wolverton to be moe exact), on a work related assignment.

Nice and interesting place.

People were very friendly, especially the immigrants, and their descentants. It probably helped even more that I was the only white person who would acknowledge their existance, and use their stores.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixy_C​hicken

I can really recommend Dixy Chicken. Pakistani halal chain. Their chilly sauce is the best I tasted. (only white costumer of course, I are there every second day about).

But sure, wish you well, maybe ditch the apartheid.


1. What has any of that got to do with the thread?
2. Your limited experiences in one part of the country (even if true) would not extrapolate to the entire country.
3. If you ever happen to swing by East Grinstead in West Sussex, EG Charcoal  Grill (they do halal) is great as is the Nepalese restaurant, there are loads of Indian restaurants in the area too. My favourite Chinese closed when the owner retired, same for the southern fried chicken place. Both are missed.
 
2021-08-05 8:09:58 AM  
All we're doing is teaching the virus how to overcome our immune system
 
2021-08-05 8:10:05 AM  

foo monkey: The latest data also found that Sinovac has an 86% effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations, 89.7% in preventing admission to intensive care units and 86% in preventing COVID deaths.

So, there's that too.


Just a year ago, 58% would have been considered a major victory. The FDA's threshold was 50% effective.
 
2021-08-05 8:20:26 AM  
You think that they would have the best vaccine, since they developed Covid as a bioweapon.
 
2021-08-05 8:20:48 AM  

I'm no expert but...: Ketchuponsteak: I'm no expert but...: Ketchuponsteak: adamatari: Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.

Yeah, Denmark has kindly donated its millions of Astra Zenica vaccines, which we figured out were shiat even before we learned it did not work very well against Delta.

Its better than nothing, and actually if you had Astra Zenica, you only need one BioNTech booster.


BTW. Remember how all those Brexiters gloated that the fact that only Israel had a higher vaccination rate proved that EU sucked?

Originally they claimed 60%, but now they're super positive and claim 67%. Whilst the EU developed BioNTech works.

So what's the UKs plan? Die to spite the EU, or purchase the one developed in the EU? I bet on them just dying out of spite.

We seem to be getting over the Delta peak, case rates have been reducing for about a week now so hopefully the death rate will follow suit soon. As ever it was the unvaccinated that bore the brunt of the deaths. The UK has always been using Pfizer, by the way. Your constant concern for the citizens  of the UK is noted as well.

I lived in Milton Keynes (Wolverton to be moe exact), on a work related assignment.

Nice and interesting place.

People were very friendly, especially the immigrants, and their descentants. It probably helped even more that I was the only white person who would acknowledge their existance, and use their stores.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixy_C​hicken

I can really recommend Dixy Chicken. Pakistani halal chain. Their chilly sauce is the best I tasted. (only white costumer of course, I are there every second day about).

But sure, wish you well, maybe ditch the apartheid.

1. What has any of that got to do with the thread?
2. Your limited experiences in one part of the country (even if true) would not extrapolate to the entire country.
3. If you ever happen to swing by East Grinstead in West Sussex, EG Charcoal  Grill (they do halal) is great as is the Nepalese restaurant, there are loads of Indian restaurants in the area too. My favourite Chinese closed when the owner retired, same for the southern fried chicken place. Both are missed.


It was implied that I hoped people in the UK died of Covid, which is why I explained that I lived there, and liked the place and people.

That was the context.
 
2021-08-05 8:27:06 AM  

oldfool: All we're doing is teaching the virus how to overcome our immune system


So never take any vaccine, for anything, ever?
 
2021-08-05 8:34:56 AM  

wxboy: oldfool: All we're doing is teaching the virus how to overcome our immune system

So never take any vaccine, for anything, ever?


No save as many as we can
Just be realistic about what's happening at this point in time
 
2021-08-05 8:41:46 AM  

Prof. Frink: Curt Blizzah: It can save a bunch of people.

/Where would you like them saved?

/Volumes/furriners


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2021-08-05 8:41:58 AM  

natazha: foo monkey: The latest data also found that Sinovac has an 86% effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations, 89.7% in preventing admission to intensive care units and 86% in preventing COVID deaths.

So, there's that too.

Just a year ago, 58% would have been considered a major victory. The FDA's threshold was 50% effective.


I believe it is less than 50% against the lambda variant.
 
2021-08-05 8:43:36 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: If 100% gets vaccinated, but it only works 58% of the time, and vaccinated people can still get it and/or be carriers. Is it even possible to achieve horde immunity under the unrealistic circumstances that you do get 100%?


Vaccines aren't the only way to gain immunity.  They are just the safe way.

You can also gain immunity by catching the virus and fighting it off.
 
2021-08-05 8:46:27 AM  

b2theory: natazha: foo monkey: The latest data also found that Sinovac has an 86% effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations, 89.7% in preventing admission to intensive care units and 86% in preventing COVID deaths.

So, there's that too.

Just a year ago, 58% would have been considered a major victory. The FDA's threshold was 50% effective.

I believe it is less than 50% against the lambda variant.


I believe that's a number you pulled out of your ass.

Researchers in the United States have conducted a study suggesting that the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines that are currently being rolled out in many countries should be effective against the C.37 lineage (lambda variant) of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

The researchers found that while pseudotyped virus expressing the C.37 viral spike protein was less susceptible to vaccine-elicited neutralizing antibodies, the reduction in neutralization was only minor.
 
2021-08-05 8:51:48 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: I'm no expert but...: Ketchuponsteak: I'm no expert but...: Ketchuponsteak: adamatari: Closer to J&J than the other vaccines, less effective but still much better than nothing. Sputnik V, Pfizer, and Moderna seem to be very good. Right now, we're still very much in the "get people vaccinated around the world before millions more die" phase, so it's great for that.

Yeah, Denmark has kindly donated its millions of Astra Zenica vaccines, which we figured out were shiat even before we learned it did not work very well against Delta.

Its better than nothing, and actually if you had Astra Zenica, you only need one BioNTech booster.


BTW. Remember how all those Brexiters gloated that the fact that only Israel had a higher vaccination rate proved that EU sucked?

Originally they claimed 60%, but now they're super positive and claim 67%. Whilst the EU developed BioNTech works.

So what's the UKs plan? Die to spite the EU, or purchase the one developed in the EU? I bet on them just dying out of spite.

We seem to be getting over the Delta peak, case rates have been reducing for about a week now so hopefully the death rate will follow suit soon. As ever it was the unvaccinated that bore the brunt of the deaths. The UK has always been using Pfizer, by the way. Your constant concern for the citizens  of the UK is noted as well.

I lived in Milton Keynes (Wolverton to be moe exact), on a work related assignment.

Nice and interesting place.

People were very friendly, especially the immigrants, and their descentants. It probably helped even more that I was the only white person who would acknowledge their existance, and use their stores.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixy_C​hicken

I can really recommend Dixy Chicken. Pakistani halal chain. Their chilly sauce is the best I tasted. (only white costumer of course, I are there every second day about).

But sure, wish you well, maybe ditch the apartheid.

1. What has any of that got to do with the thread?
2. Your limited experiences in one part of the country (even if true) would not extrapolate to the entire country.
3. If you ever happen to swing by East Grinstead in West Sussex, EG Charcoal  Grill (they do halal) is great as is the Nepalese restaurant, there are loads of Indian restaurants in the area too. My favourite Chinese closed when the owner retired, same for the southern fried chicken place. Both are missed.

It was implied that I hoped people in the UK died of Covid, which is why I explained that I lived there, and liked the place and people.

That was the context.


And where was it implied that you hoped people in the UK died of covid? I said you lack concern about about people in the uk.  Comments like " I bet on them just dying out of spite." doesn't really show your magnanimous side.
 
2021-08-05 9:09:41 AM  
That's better than Great Britain's aggregate assessment of the vaccines they use combined: ModeRNA, Pfizer, Oxford-AZ.

They have determined vaccination to be 50% effective vs infection, 58% effective vs symptomatic infection.

This is not good.  This is why we have so many breakthrough cases.  The Massachusetts Dataset for July already has a mortality rate of 1.3 and it's at most half-resolved.  That's on vaccinated individuals. Finger to the air: 2.6... higher than unvaxed vs D614G.

Likewise, Ct Values for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals(Ct is strongly linked to transmissibility) doesn't really begin to diverge until around Day 6.  Almost a full week.

Ct value = # of PCR cycles until a positive result is returned.
 
2021-08-05 9:15:27 AM  

BullBearMS: b2theory: natazha: foo monkey: The latest data also found that Sinovac has an 86% effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations, 89.7% in preventing admission to intensive care units and 86% in preventing COVID deaths.

So, there's that too.

Just a year ago, 58% would have been considered a major victory. The FDA's threshold was 50% effective.

I believe it is less than 50% against the lambda variant.

I believe that's a number you pulled out of your ass.

Researchers in the United States have conducted a study suggesting that the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccines that are currently being rolled out in many countries should be effective against the C.37 lineage (lambda variant) of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

The researchers found that while pseudotyped virus expressing the C.37 viral spike protein was less susceptible to vaccine-elicited neutralizing antibodies, the reduction in neutralization was only minor.


Any reason for the difference in names/ definitions?  Are they zeroing in on 1 spot on the tree?  One branch?  Or the whole virus family here?
 
2021-08-05 9:16:28 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: That's better than Great Britain's aggregate assessment of the vaccines they use combined: ModeRNA, Pfizer, Oxford-AZ.

They have determined vaccination to be 50% effective vs infection, 58% effective vs symptomatic infection.

This is not good.  This is why we have so many breakthrough cases.  The Massachusetts Dataset for July already has a mortality rate of 1.3 and it's at most half-resolved.  That's on vaccinated individuals. Finger to the air: 2.6... higher than unvaxed vs D614G.

Likewise, Ct Values for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals(Ct is strongly linked to transmissibility) doesn't really begin to diverge until around Day 6.  Almost a full week.

Ct value = # of PCR cycles until a positive result is returned.


I should put this in context: the WHO said that s vaccine must be at least 50% effective to be given consideration.  That both these dishes juuuust barely hit that metric is dubious.
 
2021-08-05 9:17:10 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: backhand.slap.of.reason: That's better than Great Britain's aggregate assessment of the vaccines they use combined: ModeRNA, Pfizer, Oxford-AZ.

They have determined vaccination to be 50% effective vs infection, 58% effective vs symptomatic infection.

This is not good.  This is why we have so many breakthrough cases.  The Massachusetts Dataset for July already has a mortality rate of 1.3 and it's at most half-resolved.  That's on vaccinated individuals. Finger to the air: 2.6... higher than unvaxed vs D614G.

Likewise, Ct Values for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals(Ct is strongly linked to transmissibility) doesn't really begin to diverge until around Day 6.  Almost a full week.

Ct value = # of PCR cycles until a positive result is returned.

I should put this in context: the WHO said that s vaccine must be at least 50% effective to be given consideration.  That both these dishes juuuust barely hit that metric is dubious.


...dishes = studies...
 
2021-08-05 9:37:52 AM  

BullBearMS: Ketchuponsteak: If 100% gets vaccinated, but it only works 58% of the time, and vaccinated people can still get it and/or be carriers. Is it even possible to achieve horde immunity under the unrealistic circumstances that you do get 100%?

Vaccines aren't the only way to gain immunity.  They are just the safe way.

You can also gain immunity by catching the virus and fighting it off.


Sure. Kinda like what Sweden tried.

But yeah, we have something called a Coronapasport here, which you need for certain, obvious, things.

If you are a Covid survivour, you get a passport valid for 1 year (same as the vaccine). I guess we will be living in a world with yearly vaccines.

The antivaxxers certaintly aren't helping with that, and with this being a permanent thing, those farking antivaxxers and antimaskers will be a permanent thing as well.
 
2021-08-05 9:39:59 AM  
Sinovac/CoronaVac, J&J, AstraZeneca, and the other non-MRNA vaccines seem to be losing efficacy - especially against the Delta Variant. The Pfizer/Moderna jabs, which are MRNA vaccines, seem to be highly effective against the Delta and other variants (so far).

It won't be long before they approve an MRNA booster for non-MRNA vaccine recipients, I imagine. In fact, I think it's already happening in San Francisco.
 
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