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2021-08-05 1:53:39 PM  

frankb00th: AmbassadorBooze: tfresh: AmbassadorBooze: Clarence Brown: For very complicated reasons, I found myself in conversation with the owner of a comedy club that immediately started employing him, and that person said, "Well, he has a right to make a living."

I was gobsmacked. I still wish I'd said, "No one is denying him the right to dig ditches."

Cancel all places that employ Louis CK.

Problem solved.  Once cancelled, make sure people and places stay cancelled.  Make the cancelled crawl to the teat of trump to survive.  Especially in hollywood.  Just farking cancel the people and make them go to putin or to trump.  Make them beg to eat at the butthole of trump just to survive.  Let the trump hole feed them like a momma bird puking into it's babies mouths.  Have them gobble it all up.

But cancel culture isn't supposed to exist.

🤷

Lets make it exist.  When a person is objectively bad, cancel them.  Have everybody in the party stop selling them stuff.  Stop employing them.  Stop servicing them.  Divorce them.  Have the banking institutions close their accounts.  Stop acknowledging their existance such that if they are walking down the street, you don't see them and you just bowl them right over if they are in your way.  Make them go to Trump and beg to have mamma bird feed them just to survive.  Asking people nicely to keep their limp dicks in their pants has failed.  Time for people to fear taking their flacid cis male white cocks out in front of people without written consent, in triplicate, and with 30 days public notice for comments.

Problem solved.

There's an entire science fiction short story devoted entirely to that concept but I can't seem to remember the title.


Let's make it science fact!

Asking people politely to not whip out their dicks has failed.  Continuing the failed policy is just asking for more failure.  Let's try fear this time.  Make people fear taking their wee little piggy out and jackin it.
 
2021-08-05 1:55:10 PM  
He probably deserved a little time out, but I'm glad he's back. Plus, what he did wasn't that bad. If it hadn't happened right at the height of the #metoo hysteria, it would have never gotten traction. Same with Aziz Ansari.
 
2021-08-05 1:55:53 PM  

Khellendros: Cosmic Cowboy: Khellendros: Cosmic Cowboy: Good lord, Fark is full of assholes. The guy did bad things, no doubt. He has also paid dearly for it. But it's never enough for the Fark judgement squad. The guy should never be allowed on stage again for the rest of his life? Who do you think you are to pass such harsh judgement on others? How did your sense of fairness get so out of whack? It's so easy to be an absolutist when it's someone else's life in the balance.

I'm curious - other than a public apology to start to repair his own image (which didn't come out until it was basically forced), what has he done to make recompense for his serial abuse of people under his control?  Has he worked to boost the careers of those he violated?  Used his power and standing to make things right?  Worked to create a more just and fair environment for women in his part of showbusiness?

Or did he do what most of these creeps do - lay low for a few years doing very little, living on their substantial wealth until public memory faded a little?  I haven't seen much in the way of Louis putting in a lot of effort to fix the problem he exemplified or repair the damage.

Just going away for a while and "not doing it again" doesn't make things any better.

He isn't obligated to make the world a better place. He wasn't even obligated to apologize. His only obligation is to stop doing the bad things he was doing.

And no one is obligated to give him an audience or patronize places that let him perform.  No one is going to put him in irons that prevent him from getting on a stage and performing.  But if he wants a substantial portion of his audience back, just stopping the overtly awful act doesn't cut it.

Repair the damage, make restitution, and make the situation better.  That's the social obligation on people in power when they betray public trust.  As far as I can tell, he's done nothing but go away for a few years and did a "sorry, won't do it again" statement.  I'm not going to be ok w ...


You're preaching to the choir - I'm all for letting the audience decide, that's how it's supposed to work. My only issue is with people trying to get him banned via pressuring club owners, his content providers, etc.  That's going too far - just vote with your patronage (or lack thereof) and move on with your life.
 
2021-08-05 2:05:27 PM  

TDWCom29: HotWingConspiracy: Khellendros: Repair the damage, make restitution, and make the situation better.

He's wise to not entertain this. Nobody can agree what the damage was and what restitution would look like, so why try to indulge the whims of the mob when he can just go on tour like he's doing now?

Exactly. But do you at least agree that what he did was incredibly farked up if the women who said they didn't really want him to jerk off in front of them are to be believed?


Yeah, I really never doubted that it happened despite his denials. Just too weirdly specific an allegation. And yes, that is quite wrong.
 
2021-08-05 2:08:54 PM  

Khellendros: HotWingConspiracy: Khellendros: Repair the damage, make restitution, and make the situation better.

He's wise to not entertain this. Nobody can agree what the damage was and what restitution would look like, so why try to indulge the whims of the mob when he can just go on tour like he's doing now?

This isn't rocket science.  He know what damage he's done, as do his victims.  It's been articulated clearly.  Restitution would/could include civil payments, underwriting and supporting events starring women comics and writers, contributing to woman's advocacy groups in showbusiness, speaking forcefully on the issue in public forums, etc.  You know, donating time and money to fix not only what he did, but to help dismantle the environment that made it possible.


It would never be enough for people, there's nothing in it for him.

How is this hard to comprehend?  You're advocating for him to act like it's no biggie and just pick up where he left off professionally.  And then to expect that everyone is ok with that.  Your route only makes sense if he doesn't want to fix what he did, or doesn't understand what he did wrong.

There's no fixing it, and right or wrong, I promise that he will sell out every single one of these shows. You have to accept that a lot of people simply do not care about any of it.

And if that's the case, he's still a total piece of shiat that hasn't learned anything.  I'd like to think he's capable of being a decent person.

In case it's not obvious, he doesn't care what people think. If he did, he wouldn't jerk off in front of them.
 
2021-08-05 2:15:57 PM  

TDWCom29: mudesi: TDWCom29: log_jammin: "sex-crime"

lol!

What would you call jerking off in front of women who didn't want him to? Maybe it's a harsh term, I'm willing to hear substitutes

If they didn't want him to, they could've said so.

Again, consent isn't always so cut-and-dry easy.

I think a lot of people are really farking tired of this "have your cake and eat it too" notion that women are helpless babies who can't possibly mouth the word "no", even in a power dynamic situation, which in this case there wasn't even one.

There wasn't? How do you know? Again he did this to a lot of women, most of whom he was a lot more famous than. Also I like how you just completely dismiss the power dynamic thing like it doesn't exist. And again, even if some of them were actually okay with it doesn't mean that all of them wereSo it is your contention that they're lying for some reason? What reason would it be? Did any of them gain fame from this?Again, you seem very into defending this for some reason. I'm obviously into talking about it too, but only because defending what he did is so odd to me. I'm trying to get it


I'm just going by what's been reported.  Nothing more, nothing less.  He wasn't their boss, it wasn't "at work".

I don't know how much more cut and dry we can get here.
"Can I pull out my dick?"
"Sure"

Was he to first print out a consent form, have is signed and notarized in triplicate?  Maybe bring in a judge or a lawyer to witness the transaction.

I'm not saying the women are lying.  I believe them when they say they didn't want him to do it.  But they told him he could anyway after he asked them if he could.  Well that's on them.
 
2021-08-05 2:17:41 PM  

Curt Blizzah: /Future Mrs. Blizzah heard one tasteless handicapped kid joke, and he lost her for the rest of the show


Sounds like a great night out.
 
2021-08-05 2:17:47 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: TDWCom29: HotWingConspiracy: Khellendros: Repair the damage, make restitution, and make the situation better.

He's wise to not entertain this. Nobody can agree what the damage was and what restitution would look like, so why try to indulge the whims of the mob when he can just go on tour like he's doing now?

Exactly. But do you at least agree that what he did was incredibly farked up if the women who said they didn't really want him to jerk off in front of them are to be believed?

Yeah, I really never doubted that it happened despite his denials. Just too weirdly specific an allegation. And yes, that is quite wrong.


Thank you! One down, too many to go
 
2021-08-05 2:20:05 PM  
I tried to revisit some Louis CK standup recently (during the past year). It's surprising how many times he mentions masturbating, masturbating ON someone, and just masturbating in front of another person. He mimes jerking off once every 20 minutes or so. Also, none of his jokes land anymore. He's a dinosaur with this dick in his hand.
 
2021-08-05 2:22:25 PM  

mudesi: TDWCom29: mudesi: TDWCom29: log_jammin: "sex-crime"

lol!

What would you call jerking off in front of women who didn't want him to? Maybe it's a harsh term, I'm willing to hear substitutes

If they didn't want him to, they could've said so.

Again, consent isn't always so cut-and-dry easy.

I think a lot of people are really farking tired of this "have your cake and eat it too" notion that women are helpless babies who can't possibly mouth the word "no", even in a power dynamic situation, which in this case there wasn't even one.

There wasn't? How do you know? Again he did this to a lot of women, most of whom he was a lot more famous than. Also I like how you just completely dismiss the power dynamic thing like it doesn't exist. And again, even if some of them were actually okay with it doesn't mean that all of them wereSo it is your contention that they're lying for some reason? What reason would it be? Did any of them gain fame from this?Again, you seem very into defending this for some reason. I'm obviously into talking about it too, but only because defending what he did is so odd to me. I'm trying to get it

I'm just going by what's been reported.  Nothing more, nothing less.  He wasn't their boss, it wasn't "at work".

I don't know how much more cut and dry we can get here.
"Can I pull out my dick?"
"Sure"

Was he to first print out a consent form, have is signed and notarized in triplicate?  Maybe bring in a judge or a lawyer to witness the transaction.


How about just not bringing random people into your weird sex shiat? Plenty of people are into some weird shiat and don't bring co-workers into it. Find adults who you know from more than a quick "Hey can I do this?" are into what you're into and do it to them

I'm not saying the women are lying.  I believe them when they say they didn't want him to do it.  But they told him he could anyway after he asked them if he could.  Well that's on them.

Ah okay, so they weren't lying. They were just too stupid/weak to say no

Hope you never have any daughters
 
2021-08-05 2:58:34 PM  

TDWCom29: thegreg1: I find it interesting that though he was "canceled", gets berated by keyboard warriors and is called all kinds of nasty names (some deserved), being written in articles as if his shows are disasters, that when he toured a few months after the accusations (which he owned up to) he played to sold out venues and the crowd sounded like they had a good time.

So you agree that cancel culture doesn't really exist?


No it exists but people also have a shiate memory... even with the internet.

Canceling isn't necessarily about cancelling a single person as it's about cancelling their fans.

Honestly who pisses you off more? Louis or the fans that keep him going? It's about bringing down people who you feel are championing things your itty-bitty feelings can't handle. By doing that you bring down the army.. which actually just pisses the army off and makes it all worse.
 
2021-08-05 3:05:55 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Clarence Brown: For very complicated reasons, I found myself in conversation with the owner of a comedy club that immediately started employing him, and that person said, "Well, he has a right to make a living."

I was gobsmacked. I still wish I'd said, "No one is denying him the right to dig ditches."

Cancel all places that employ Louis CK.

Problem solved.  Once cancelled, make sure people and places stay cancelled.  Make the cancelled crawl to the teat of trump to survive.  Especially in hollywood.  Just farking cancel the people and make them go to putin or to trump.  Make them beg to eat at the butthole of trump just to survive.  Let the trump hole feed them like a momma bird puking into it's babies mouths.  Have them gobble it all up.



"Problem solved Problem solved"

Insufferable as usual. Every post you make is useless, what does Trump or Putin have to do with a stand up pervert? Nothing, but for you its "Problem solved Problem solved", farking useless twit....
 
2021-08-05 3:23:24 PM  

Magnanimous_J: He probably deserved a little time out, but I'm glad he's back. Plus, what he did wasn't that bad. If it hadn't happened right at the height of the #metoo hysteria, it would have never gotten traction. Same with Aziz Ansari.


oh man, that is quality!  succinct, blase', somany buttons pushed- such craftsmanship.
 
2021-08-05 3:36:14 PM  

JCFarx: AmbassadorBooze: Clarence Brown: For very complicated reasons, I found myself in conversation with the owner of a comedy club that immediately started employing him, and that person said, "Well, he has a right to make a living."

I was gobsmacked. I still wish I'd said, "No one is denying him the right to dig ditches."

Cancel all places that employ Louis CK.

Problem solved.  Once cancelled, make sure people and places stay cancelled.  Make the cancelled crawl to the teat of trump to survive.  Especially in hollywood.  Just farking cancel the people and make them go to putin or to trump.  Make them beg to eat at the butthole of trump just to survive.  Let the trump hole feed them like a momma bird puking into it's babies mouths.  Have them gobble it all up.


"Problem solved Problem solved"

Insufferable as usual. Every post you make is useless, what does Trump or Putin have to do with a stand up pervert? Nothing, but for you its "Problem solved Problem solved", farking useless twit....


Well, asking people nicely to not whip out their flacid penis has failed, so that didn't solve the problem.  At least I am proposing solutions.  Trump and putin are both abusers of women and womxn.  They litterally grab them by the pussy.  CK is one step away from trump and putin.  He is likely a russian sleeper cell trying to abuse women and womxn so that it is normalized.  We MUST demand that CK, and Coumo leave OUR democracy and go live in the fasciast state of mara lago, and feed from the trump teat.
 
2021-08-05 3:51:33 PM  
When I heard about his indiscretions, it was hearing a good friend had died. I found his TV series, particularly the pot smoking kid episode, some of the finest television since ever. His series set in a local bar, with Aidy Bryant, was weird but interesting and was kind of bold and fresh.

I walked away from all of that because of what he did and because he didn't own it fully, right off the top.  Same way I walked away from Cosby.  Don't think you know artists or celebrities just because you love their work.

If Tom Hanks turns out to be evil IRL some day I think the world will burn.
 
2021-08-05 4:08:18 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: mjbok: TDWCom29: You can be as kinky as you want so long as everyone you're kinky to is into it.

And how do you find this out?  I would say ask them.

A federal database.  Everybody submits their kink, and if a person who has a kink that works with yours, you get a notification on your app.  Then, after getting written consent to ask, in triplicate, and 30 days public notice, you may ask the person who matches with you.

Problem solved.


That wouldn't be abused.

Not at all.
 
2021-08-05 4:11:41 PM  
Jesus Christ, all he had to do was ask the audience or groupies who wanted to come watch him jerk off, which would completely fit in with his act. He didn't have to select women he worked with, especially ones who were much lower down the rung than he was. Asking Silverman was fine. They are about par on where they were in their career, writing for big names and doing the big specials, even having their own shows. Doing that to Kirkman, Micucci, et al was not. They were looking for the sort of jobs Louis had gotten for others and thought they had to pay-to-play, which is absolutely not unusual in show business.

This isn't hard. Don't try to do anything sexual with co-workers. If you're in a position of power or a headliner (and he was, and he knew it), don't ever, ever, make the first move.

And, for God's sake, stop trying to make your kink seem normal or important. This is something that you should do after the other party has already moved it beyond whatever you want to do. If they're already got their finger in your ass, having them watch you spank it is a hell of a lot more in the cards than if you are barely on a first name basis.

/Final question on the cam mutual masturbation thing - how do you arrange your laptop or worse yet, desktop, camera so you can see them and they can see your junk effectively? You'd have to angle the screen down a bit too much. Don't you get a crick in your neck? Do you scoot back, in which case, is the resolution on a zoom or facetime chat good enough?
//Although, in most of our cases, low resolution is a godsend.
 
2021-08-05 4:18:12 PM  

Another Government Employee: AmbassadorBooze: mjbok: TDWCom29: You can be as kinky as you want so long as everyone you're kinky to is into it.

And how do you find this out?  I would say ask them.

A federal database.  Everybody submits their kink, and if a person who has a kink that works with yours, you get a notification on your app.  Then, after getting written consent to ask, in triplicate, and 30 days public notice, you may ask the person who matches with you.

Problem solved.

That wouldn't be abused.

Not at all.


Only allow party members in good standing to access the database.  So people like coumo and CK will be banned from it.

Problem solved.
 
2021-08-05 4:33:27 PM  

Any Pie Left: When I heard about his indiscretions, it was hearing a good friend had died. I found his TV series, particularly the pot smoking kid episode, some of the finest television since ever. His series set in a local bar, with Aidy Bryant, was weird but interesting and was kind of bold and fresh.

I walked away from all of that because of what he did and because he didn't own it fully, right off the top.  Same way I walked away from Cosby.  Don't think you know artists or celebrities just because you love their work.

If Tom Hanks turns out to be evil IRL some day I think the world will burn.


Tom Hanks is the worst human being on the planet.

In preparation for Big, to "understand the heart of a child," Tom Hanks murdered a child, cut out his heart, and ate it.

On the set of Cast Away, he would urinate on Wilson the volleyball, then spike the pee-soaked ball at families who lived on the island and just walked up to see what the fuss was about.

The scene in Saving Private Ryan where a soldier is trying to stick a bomb to a tank tread and is blown to pieces was not special effects. Tom Hanks heard that it was that actor's birthday, and decided to sub out the prop bomb with real explosives "for a goof." The shot of the actor exploding was left in, but the aftermath was cut short because Tom Hanks burst into loud fits of laughter.
 
2021-08-05 4:37:20 PM  

TDWCom29: moothemagiccow: TDWCom29: Oh no, the guy asking women if he can jerk off in front of them may be put in a ludicrous situation! Poor guy

You can be as kinky as you want so long as everyone you're kinky to is into it.

These are completely contradictory stances and you know it. This is doublethink.

How is it contradictory? Just because people are allowed to be kinky doesn't mean asking random-people-who-you-have-no-idea-are​-into-your-kink won't make for a weird situation.


So the millions of hook-ups that happen every night in every city in America are out too then?
 
2021-08-05 4:42:26 PM  

mcnguyen: TDWCom29: moothemagiccow: TDWCom29: Oh no, the guy asking women if he can jerk off in front of them may be put in a ludicrous situation! Poor guy

You can be as kinky as you want so long as everyone you're kinky to is into it.

These are completely contradictory stances and you know it. This is doublethink.

How is it contradictory? Just because people are allowed to be kinky doesn't mean asking random-people-who-you-have-no-idea-are​-into-your-kink won't make for a weird situation.

So the millions of hook-ups that happen every night in every city in America are out too then?


Haha, the funniest thing is you probably hit add comment and thought to yourself "Yup, this makes perfect sense"

The fark are you talking about? Hook-ups and "Hey can I jerk off in front of you?" couldn't be more different.
 
2021-08-05 4:45:10 PM  

mcnguyen: TDWCom29: moothemagiccow: TDWCom29: Oh no, the guy asking women if he can jerk off in front of them may be put in a ludicrous situation! Poor guy

You can be as kinky as you want so long as everyone you're kinky to is into it.

These are completely contradictory stances and you know it. This is doublethink.

How is it contradictory? Just because people are allowed to be kinky doesn't mean asking random-people-who-you-have-no-idea-are​-into-your-kink won't make for a weird situation.

So the millions of hook-ups that happen every night in every city in America are out too then?


Are the hook ups penetrative sex?  If so, that is rape.  Women and womxn only consent to the violence of penetration because they are socially conditioned to.  All P in V sex is rape.

Scissoring is OK though.  Hand jobs are probably out.
 
2021-08-05 6:36:29 PM  

mudesi: Fine.  He had "power".  You know what?  Unless someone is pointing a farking gun to your farking head, you also have the power to say "no thanks, not really into that sort of thing" when someone ASKS you whether or not you'd like to watch him take out his dick and jerk off in front of you.


Spoken like a man that has never had to deal with being on the low side of a power imbalance.

I have been on that low side in power structures.  Floor supervisors that go around giving full contact hugs to all the women.  The majority of women felt that if they told him no, they'd find themselves reassigned to accounts where there were higher instances of verbal abuse by callers, or put on shifts that made child care unaffordable if you could find a place that had late hours.  I did tell him "no".  I ended up on the last shift of the day and the accounts I answered phones for had very high levels of verbally abusive callers.

Even after I told him no, he had to demonstrate his power over me; my husband worked as a data analyst for the company.  We were on the same floor.  One day, my husband had an episode of low blood sugar that caused him to collapse.  My direct supervisor gave me permission to go off the phones and tend to my husband until the medics arrived.  After my husband was stabilized, I was allowed to take my lunch and drive him home.  As soon as I got back to the office, this floor supervisor decided this was the time he needed to go over a complaint that had been lodged against me by an account - a financial institution that made the decision instead of providing funds for property tax payments for a particular borrower that was in arrears, they elected to allow the property to go to tax sale - which the borrower wasn't aware of until the people that bought the property at auction showed up at the door to take possession of the house.  The complaint was about my telling the caller there was nothing I, nor the company I worked for, could do at this point and suggesting he contact an attorney.

Yeah, the floor supervisor decided that when I was already wound up and worried was a great time to discuss this. I cracked; I started to cry because I was overwhelmed.  At this point, the floor supervisor pulled me into a full body hug and ran his hands up and down my back.  I shoved him away, I left the building, got in my car, drove to another lot and cried, then drove home.

That's just one instance from my 40+ years of employment.  That's the mildest one.  I've worked places where the boss would drop skin mags on my desk.  I worked in other places where I was told that if I'd put out, I'd get ahead.  You know the two places where I didn't get sexually harassed? Working at a porn store and a legal brothel as the operations/office manager.

You know what the difference is between having a gun put to your head and the threat of losing the ability to feed, house and clothe yourself or your family?  The gun is actually less frightening.
 
2021-08-05 10:02:15 PM  
He's a comedian. His job is literally supposed  to be able to read the room. He got permission but that only works so far.
 
2021-08-05 10:26:14 PM  
I think at this point, he's beating a dead horse.
 
2021-08-05 10:38:30 PM  

WilderKWight: I think at this point, he's beating a dead horse.


That's a tad generous. More like a ginger haired hamster.
 
2021-08-06 1:38:41 PM  
How deep into the private life of an artist do I have to dig before I the Fark crowd allows me to enjoy the artists' products?

Artists are there to entertain me and I throw a fiver into their hat. Dance, monkey, dance, here is another fiver. Some artists only dance for more than a fiver. They are there to entertain me, not to marry me.
 
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