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2021-08-04 3:10:54 PM  
Well that was the stupidest non-political thing I have read all week.
 
2021-08-04 3:48:21 PM  

aleister_greynight: Well that was the stupidest non-political thing I have read all week.


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2021-08-04 3:50:36 PM  
A version of this article gets published every year.  Hypochondria is a hell of a drug.
 
2021-08-04 4:03:15 PM  
keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......
 
2021-08-04 4:09:53 PM  
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2021-08-04 4:18:24 PM  

Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......


Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.
 
2021-08-04 4:31:58 PM  

snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.


He was referring to this:

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Some early nuclear scientists were somewhere between "careless" and "suicidal".  Yes, he's randomly jamming a screwdriver into a live nuclear core (well, the photo is a recreation of doing so, after on such scientist fried himself doing this).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_c​o​re
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man​_​and_Little_Boy
 
2021-08-04 4:35:20 PM  
I love the descriptions of criticality incidents: "a blue glow, a rush of heat"... and a sudden awareness of having ucked fup on an astronomical scale
 
2021-08-04 4:46:15 PM  
Oh, I remember this film.

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2021-08-04 5:15:16 PM  
This seems easy enough to test for validity. Right? I mean, she should be able to tell when she's being exposed to an EMF.
 
2021-08-04 5:57:42 PM  
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2021-08-04 6:14:47 PM  
For most people, electromagnetic radiation is imperceptible and harmless. It radiates from almost every object, forming a chaotic mess of photons propagating through space at the speed of light. Strong doses can be dangerous. The Food and Drug Administration sets a limit on how much radiation can leak from a microwave oven, while also recommending that users not stand directly against the appliance. A single hospital CT scan is considered safe, but the American College of Radiology recommends limiting your lifetime total to twenty-five chest CTs because of the rising risk of cancer. On a more extreme level, the U.S. military's arsenal includes a microwave-radiation weapon that makes people feel like their skin is burning. For the electrosensitives, almost any dosage of human-made electromagnetic radiation could make them feel ill.

Okay, I know that it's not really a fair fight to use flat-earthers as a punching bag, but since TFA is presenting it at face value to a dangerous degree:

(1) EM radiation is very perceptible, it's literally how two of your major senses work (vision, obviously, and heat detection to a degree, the latter admittedly indirectly).

(2) Only select, fairly narrow bands of radiation can interact with your body chemistry, and only the ones at higher frequency than the visual spectrum can do so in a known destructive manner (e.g. UV light eventually causing skin cancer).  Bands of lower frequency than the visual can only harm you through heat, almost (though not quite) exclusively through the bending/stretching resonant frequencies of the water molecules in your body.  Frequencies outside of those that water can use to jump between bending states and let off as heat tend to pass through you.

(2b) this is what a "microwave oven" is, it's a bulb tuned to the specific bands that water can convert to heat.  This is why you can't really microwave anything that doesn't have water in it (which conveniently describes almost every food in existence, though not quite all of them).  Well, you can also heat metal since metal bonds in large conductive bands instead of... okay, beyond the scope of an internet post about flat earth nonsense.

(3) The EM radiation discussed in TFA is in the infrared/microwave band, mostly not in the range that will heat water to any significant proportion.  This isn't necessarily because of health concerns, it's because the atmosphere is full of water so it'd be extremely stupid to use frequencies that water vapor is opaque to for broadcasting.  No communications devices operate outside of these bands.

(4) Because radio waves can only interact with water in the human body and no other part of our biochemistry has any sensitivity to it, no human being is any more or less "sensitive" to radio waves.  You only interaction is for them to heat you up... which, if it hits a dangerous or even just "capable of noticing it" level, you will farking notice it, trust.  Heat stroke is not a long-term, slowly-escalating health condition, it's incredibly acute and symptoms manifest instantly.

(4a) Again, radio/microwave frequency radiation exclusively interacts with you in the form of heating the water molecules in your body(note: to a harmless degree that your body accounts for with homeostasis).  There is no genetic component, it is literally impossible for it to vary from person to person in any fashion.  If the radio waves were doing this to one person, they would do them to literally every human being in a near-identical fashion and to a near-identical degree.

(5) It's really easy to test "electrosensitives" with the same test used to falsify aura-based psychics, set of boxes they put their hands in and tell you which one has a phone in the process of uploading a video to YouTube in it or whatever.  People have done these tests loads of times, plus doctors have done thousands of clinical studies on this in general and cell phones specifically, all of which showed no such thing as EM sensitivity existing and no health effects related to cell phones especially.  Literally one of the most thoroughly studied facts in the entire field of medicine.

(6) fark off with this nonsense.

// CT scans are ionizing radiation.  Referencing limits on CT scans when talking about radio waves is illiterate monkey screeching gibberish.  That's like saying that people drown in water all the time, therefore fluids are dangerous and you need to go to space because the air is going to drown you.  Air being a fluid, after all.
 
2021-08-04 6:26:48 PM  

Geotpf: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

He was referring to this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x677]

Some early nuclear scientists were somewhere between "careless" and "suicidal".  Yes, he's randomly jamming a screwdriver into a live nuclear core (well, the photo is a recreation of doing so, after on such scientist fried himself doing this).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_co​re
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man_​and_Little_Boy


It's actually dumber and more suicidal than you describe it as. He's not just sticking a screwdriver in - he's using the screwdriver to modulate the distance between two shields around a ball of everyone's radioactive material to show how radiation reflection can stimulate hypercriticality. Basically playing chicken with an atom bomb, and at least a handful of people died because one time the screwdriver slipped and the material went critical.

This was back when being a scientist meant you were part badass, part cowboy, and part idiot.
 
2021-08-04 6:36:52 PM  

Destructor: This seems easy enough to test for validity. Right? I mean, she should be able to tell when she's being exposed to an EMF.


Yea, that's what always gets me about these kooks.  The experiment to test their sensitivity to EMF is trivial.

But then, delusional disorders are notoriously resistant to resolution via facts and evidence.
 
2021-08-04 6:38:25 PM  

Lusiphur: This was back when being a scientist meant you were part badass, part cowboy, and part idiot.


*ponders an entire mini-career as a research safety specialist composed almost entirely of yelling at people for doing things even they admit are issues of common farking sense more than expertise*

... yes.  Back in the day, things, uh, sure were different.  Good thing no one behaves like that anymore, hahahaha.

... ha.
 
2021-08-04 6:49:36 PM  
I want to call these lunatics lunatics, but I can't touch unfinished wood and newspaper is challenging. We all have quirks.
 
2021-08-04 6:50:11 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Lusiphur: This was back when being a scientist meant you were part badass, part cowboy, and part idiot.

*ponders an entire mini-career as a research safety specialist composed almost entirely of yelling at people for doing things even they admit are issues of common farking sense more than expertise*

... yes.  Back in the day, things, uh, sure were different.  Good thing no one behaves like that anymore, hahahaha.

... ha.


This stuff was so stupid that other nuclear scientists at the time thought this was crazy (hence the "tickling the dragon's tail" description of the process).  Sounds like about 50% of them were sane, and 50% of them were "Hold my beer".
 
2021-08-04 7:09:25 PM  

snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.


i dont believe dragons exist. Its a figure of speech.
Ok
Tickling the bull elephants tail.
 
2021-08-04 7:10:46 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Lusiphur: This was back when being a scientist meant you were part badass, part cowboy, and part idiot.

*ponders an entire mini-career as a research safety specialist composed almost entirely of yelling at people for doing things even they admit are issues of common farking sense more than expertise*

... yes.  Back in the day, things, uh, sure were different.  Good thing no one behaves like that anymore, hahahaha.

... ha.


Lol, maybe the researchers I worked with were total nerds, but most of them put gloves on before grabbing the deadly poisonous sea snails.
 
2021-08-04 7:21:19 PM  

Geotpf: Yes, he's randomly jamming a screwdriver into a live nuclear core (well, the photo is a recreation of doing so, after on such scientist fried himself doing this).


The screwdriver is what keeps you from frying yourself.  That incident happened when the screwdriver slipped out and the neutron reflecting beryllium sphere closed, causing the core to go critical until he knocked the top off.
 
2021-08-04 7:26:23 PM  

Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

i dont believe dragons exist.


That was exactly my point: neither does human EMF sensitivity in the frequencies used by 4G, LTE, 5G, and wifi, at power levels that a cellphone will radiate
 
2021-08-04 7:27:00 PM  

Jim_Callahan: (1) EM radiation is very perceptible, it's literally how two of your major senses work (vision, obviously, and heat detection to a degree, the latter admittedly indirectly).


Technically, it's how all of your senses work, it's just that most involve very short range EMF interactions.  Air can't vibrate your ear drums, matter wouldn't push back against you to feel it, or chemical receptors in your nose or mouth wouldn't work, unless electrons emit photons.

Also why you're not a puddle of ionized goo.
 
2021-08-04 7:30:44 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Also why you're not a puddle of ionized goo.


Diffuse cloud of ionized nuclei.

FTFM
 
2021-08-04 9:12:37 PM  

Geotpf: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

He was referring to this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x677]

Some early nuclear scientists were somewhere between "careless" and "suicidal".  Yes, he's randomly jamming a screwdriver into a live nuclear core (well, the photo is a recreation of doing so, after on such scientist fried himself doing this).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_co​re
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Man_​and_Little_Boy


Thanks for the reference and the interesting articles. But I still don't think it was a helpful comparison. Am I missing something?

Nuclear materials emit four kinds of ionizing (dangerous) radiation. Three of them are high-velocity particles: neutrons, electrons (beta radiation) and helium nuclei (alpha radiation). The fourth, gamma radiation, is like visible light or cellphone signal radiation, but at far higher frequencies. Which means far higher energy levels -- higher than UV or X-rays.

As long as the frequency is at or below the visible light spectrum, and the power levels are low enough that they don't create any measurable heat, then there's exactly zero danger. Unless you have a phone with one of those Samsung batteries from a few years back, that is.
 
2021-08-04 9:15:52 PM  

snowjack: and the power levels are low enough that they don't create any measurable

enough heatto damage tissue, then there's exactly zero danger.

FTFM
 
2021-08-05 6:15:44 AM  

snowjack: Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

i dont believe dragons exist.

That was exactly my point: neither does human EMF sensitivity in the frequencies used by 4G, LTE, 5G, and wifi, at power levels that a cellphone will radiate


a cell phone has to be able to transmitt several miles. I wouldnt be so sure.
 
2021-08-05 8:54:36 AM  
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2021-08-05 10:15:28 AM  

Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

i dont believe dragons exist.

That was exactly my point: neither does human EMF sensitivity in the frequencies used by 4G, LTE, 5G, and wifi, at power levels that a cellphone will radiate

a cell phone has to be able to transmitt several miles. I wouldnt be so sure.


Do you feel your jimmies getting warm when a cellphone is held near them? Heat is the only mechanism for physical damage at those frequencies. Ionization is impossible.

Don't get me wrong- it is definitely possible to get burns from transmitting antennas, if the power is high enough. But you're gonna know it happened right away.
 
2021-08-05 10:26:20 AM  

snowjack: Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

i dont believe dragons exist.

That was exactly my point: neither does human EMF sensitivity in the frequencies used by 4G, LTE, 5G, and wifi, at power levels that a cellphone will radiate

a cell phone has to be able to transmitt several miles. I wouldnt be so sure.

Do you feel your jimmies getting warm when a cellphone is held near them? Heat is the only mechanism for physical damage at those frequencies. Ionization is impossible.

Don't get me wrong- it is definitely possible to get burns from transmitting antennas, if the power is high enough. But you're gonna know it happened right away.


One more thing - if you're worried about getting hurt by the EM flux of a cellphone, stay the hell away from microwave ovens and switching power supplies.
 
2021-08-05 11:10:28 AM  

Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: snowjack: Linux_Yes: keep your phones away from vital body parts.

a good idea

unless you enjoy tickling the dragon's tail......

Very appropriate, using a metaphor with a mythological creature that doesn't exist to describe the effects of low-power EMF on the human body.

i dont believe dragons exist.

That was exactly my point: neither does human EMF sensitivity in the frequencies used by 4G, LTE, 5G, and wifi, at power levels that a cellphone will radiate

a cell phone has to be able to transmitt several miles. I wouldnt be so sure.


... to a cell tower up a hundred feet or more in the air, with gain antennas pointing in all directions.

Typical cell phone only transmits at two power levels:  0.6 watts and 3.0 watts.  That's about the same power levels as those blister pack walkie-talkies you can buy at Wal*Mart (though on different frequencies of course).
 
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