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2021-08-04 3:01:16 AM  
And this is why superconferences want to end the NCAA.

It's going to be easier to privatize football and MEN'S basketball (the revenue generators as far as conferences are concerned) from everything else.

Congratulations on having far fewer sports once schools realize how stupid it is to waste money on most of them.
 
2021-08-04 4:51:31 AM  
Repeat from March.

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2021-08-04 6:00:34 AM  
This is a Title IX violation, no?
 
2021-08-04 6:43:15 AM  

foo monkey: Repeat from March.

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In spite of my earlier comment... THAT is some bullshiat. I've been in homes with more workout equipment than that.
 
2021-08-04 7:35:02 AM  
"It notes increasing television audiences and female players' "huge followings on social media," and says the NCAA could negotiate far higher fees for coverage of the women's games."

But we have a huge social media following!! Kristen's Instagram account is blowing up!
More people are watching on TV! Networks will probably get into a bidding war to cover our Tuesday afternoon games!

Not poo poping women's sports.
The revenue it generates probably doesn't justify expenditures. It's a budgeting decision.
Just ask the St Louis University  2019 U.S. Collegiate Rapid Championshipchess team.
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I almost got fired for watching my cousin's Facebook livestream of the tournament. My boss figured out that half the office wasn't doing ANY work that day, I tell ya. Probably cost his company tens of dollars in lost productivity.
 
2021-08-04 7:50:22 AM  

transyrn: This is a Title IX violation, no?


I don't think Title IX won't matter much soon.

However, a school would not automatically violate Title IX by paying higher value scholarships to male athletes. The relevant analysis would be more nuanced and would focus on the extent of disparity between scholarship values at a particular institution. Along those lines, Title IX does not require identical treatment of male and female athletes, nor does it compel that an equal amount of dollars be spent on both. The key, instead, would be whether the school provides the female athletes substantially proportionate opportunities for scholarships.

https://www.si.com/college/2019/03/09​/​fallout-grant-aid-cap-ncaa-litigation-​title-ix-sports-betting-law
 
2021-08-04 7:56:12 AM  
THEY NO DUNK! GOOD FUNDAMENTALS!

/I thought this was settled decades ago
 
2021-08-04 8:47:50 AM  
You could replace "spends" with "earns" in the headline and it would be just as accurate.  But that doesn't get clicks, so....
 
2021-08-04 9:07:44 AM  
Shocking that as a disadvantaged minority starts really calling attention to inequality that the people running the system would rather completely upend the whole thing to preserve and exacerbate that inequality rather than simply allow the people on the come-up to take their place at the table.

It's only happened EVERY OTHER TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

/collegiate sports were not built to be a business and operating everything as a business is stupid
 
2021-08-04 9:11:22 AM  

IAmRight: Shocking that as a disadvantaged minority starts really calling attention to inequality that the people running the system would rather completely upend the whole thing to preserve and exacerbate that inequality rather than simply allow the people on the come-up to take their place at the table.

It's only happened EVERY OTHER TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

/collegiate sports were not built to be a business and operating everything as a business is stupid


Yeah, gosh, if only women could get a fair break in academia, am I right?  It's not like more women attend college, graduate from college, graduate within four years, are expelled less, and receive more financial aid.
 
2021-08-04 9:41:37 AM  
Death to the NCAA!
 
2021-08-04 9:51:06 AM  

Rozotorical: puffy999: And this is why superconferences want to end the NCAA.

It's going to be easier to privatize football and MEN'S basketball (the revenue generators as far as conferences are concerned) from everything else.

Congratulations on having far fewer sports once schools realize how stupid it is to waste money on most of them.

Uh huh, Thanks for the republican talking about on college sports.


S/He's against all women's sports being televised. As if his/her remote is broken.  S/he's especially militant.

Probably is the sexist submitter.  Just mark the account and move along, it's like MAGA or vaccine morons, you can't reason with him/her.
 
2021-08-04 10:01:58 AM  

FLMountainMan: Yeah, gosh, if only women could get a fair break in academia, am I right?  It's not like more women attend college, graduate from college, graduate within four years, are expelled less, and receive more financial aid.


So your reaction to the issue that women aren't be treated equitably in sports... is to point to academia.  That doesn't fix the issue that we're actually discussing, dude.

Homophobia isn't ok because fashion designers are more likely to design for gay men.  Racism isn't ok because black people are less likely to get skin cancer.  Sexism in sport funding isn't ok because colleges enroll more women.  Funding for sports is significantly slanted, and it's endemic to all levels.  Even in cases where women's team perform better and draw more revenue than men, they're almost always underfunded and professional levels underpaid compared to their male counterparts.

Don't make excuses, don't distract, don't move goalposts.  Confront the issue, admit the faults, work to fix the problem.
 
2021-08-04 10:20:00 AM  
Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?
 
2021-08-04 10:21:05 AM  

FLMountainMan: IAmRight: Shocking that as a disadvantaged minority starts really calling attention to inequality that the people running the system would rather completely upend the whole thing to preserve and exacerbate that inequality rather than simply allow the people on the come-up to take their place at the table.

It's only happened EVERY OTHER TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY.

/collegiate sports were not built to be a business and operating everything as a business is stupid

Yeah, gosh, if only women could get a fair break in academia, am I right?  It's not like more women attend college, graduate from college, graduate within four years, are expelled less, and receive more financial aid.


Yep, once they started attending en masse, college prices got jacked up and we started devaluing all the professions they tended to go to. (In fairness, supply and demand contribute to this)

But lol, college sports have nothing to do with academia.
 
2021-08-04 10:31:04 AM  

transyrn: This is a Title IX violation, no?


I'm not sure, most of the accusations in the article are pointed at the NCAA itself, not really at any of the schools. The schools are probably also guilty of a lot of the same stuff, but not sure if it applies here. It'd be like ESPN paying 50% as much for rights to broadcast women's college basketball, is that really an issue w/ education?
 
2021-08-04 11:59:20 AM  

shut_it_down: Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?


The German women's gymnastics team would like a word with you.
 
2021-08-04 12:02:11 PM  

FLMountainMan: Yeah, gosh, if only women could get a fair break in academia, am I right?  It's not like more women attend college, graduate from college, graduate within four years, are expelled less, and receive more financial aid.


Not women's fault men are dumb.
Also, this sports not academia. College sports are no longer about academics.
 
2021-08-04 12:20:10 PM  

A Fark Handle: shut_it_down: Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?

The German women's gymnastics team would like a word with you.


We can make the men wear them too! Equality!
 
2021-08-04 12:36:45 PM  
It's called ratings folks.
 
2021-08-04 12:44:14 PM  

shut_it_down: Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?


The vast majority of women wearing bikini bottoms at say, the Olympics, are doing it by choice.

Beach Volleyball, for example, allows for women to wear a bunch of different bottoms, including shorts and 1 piece swimsuits.  The women almost universally choose to bikini bottoms because they're better to compete in - really the only people who don't are doing it for religious reasons.  Similarly, the track athletes have quite a bit of choice on what they can wear, but generally choose the least restrictive options.

I'm well aware that there was one INCREDIBLY obscure sport that didn't give women the option, but that was a weird exception rather than the norm.

So I'm really not why you're complaining about the choice the women were given and made.  But I guess men complaining about women being allowed to chose is the norm on the internet.
 
2021-08-04 12:58:37 PM  

A Fark Handle: FLMountainMan: Yeah, gosh, if only women could get a fair break in academia, am I right?  It's not like more women attend college, graduate from college, graduate within four years, are expelled less, and receive more financial aid.

Not women's fault men are dumb.


The logical contortions required to comply with the progressive faith are remarkable.
 
2021-08-04 1:01:12 PM  

foo monkey: Repeat from March.

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My first thought as well, the NCAA had to be shamed into fixing it.
 
2021-08-04 1:21:28 PM  

Cluckles: transyrn: This is a Title IX violation, no?

I'm not sure, most of the accusations in the article are pointed at the NCAA itself, not really at any of the schools. The schools are probably also guilty of a lot of the same stuff, but not sure if it applies here. It'd be like ESPN paying 50% as much for rights to broadcast women's college basketball, is that really an issue w/ education?


JFC.  It's been clearly explained in this thread.  It's not college sports, it's business, the women should receive the same investment because the return on investment is irrelevant because it's college sports.  I don't know how much clearer we can make it to you.
 
2021-08-04 1:24:27 PM  

Krazikarl: shut_it_down: Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?

The vast majority of women wearing bikini bottoms at say, the Olympics, are doing it by choice.

Beach Volleyball, for example, allows for women to wear a bunch of different bottoms, including shorts and 1 piece swimsuits.  The women almost universally choose to bikini bottoms because they're better to compete in - really the only people who don't are doing it for religious reasons.  Similarly, the track athletes have quite a bit of choice on what they can wear, but generally choose the least restrictive options.

I'm well aware that there was one INCREDIBLY obscure sport that didn't give women the option, but that was a weird exception rather than the norm.

So I'm really not why you're complaining about the choice the women were given and made. But I guess men complaining about women being allowed to chose is the norm on the internet.


Well I guess when you rebut a point that isn't made, you get a little disoriented.
 
2021-08-04 1:32:20 PM  

Rozotorical: Krazikarl: shut_it_down: Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?

The vast majority of women wearing bikini bottoms at say, the Olympics, are doing it by choice.

Beach Volleyball, for example, allows for women to wear a bunch of different bottoms, including shorts and 1 piece swimsuits.  The women almost universally choose to bikini bottoms because they're better to compete in - really the only people who don't are doing it for religious reasons.  Similarly, the track athletes have quite a bit of choice on what they can wear, but generally choose the least restrictive options.

I'm well aware that there was one INCREDIBLY obscure sport that didn't give women the option, but that was a weird exception rather than the norm.

So I'm really not why you're complaining about the choice the women were given and made.  But I guess men complaining about women being allowed to chose is the norm on the internet.

Yeah, ignore the women athletes who are complaining about this huge issue in women's sports, and listen to this random dude mansplain how the dames like it when men dress them this way.


That rando is a bit more nuanced than you.  Due to me listening to that rando and not you, I informed myself about this issue as you sounded like you are just blaring your virtue signal and don't really understand this uniform issue.  I was right.

I doubt you do anything more than read the headline, get all charged up and go spouting off on people that you suspect do not adhere specifically to your POV.  So, here. Maybe you'll see that what is happening about women's uniforms in sports is more than just bikini bottoms are bad...which is more in line with what is happening in this story about women's sports in college and how the NCAA handles funding/coverage of those sports.
 
2021-08-04 1:51:04 PM  

Rozotorical: Yeah, ignore the women athletes who are complaining about this huge issue in women's sports, and listen to this random dude mansplain how the dames like it when men dress them this way.


Women are more often complaining because they're being told to wear LESS revealing clothing.  Some people think that their choice of clothing is too sexual and try and restrict it.

Source:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/sport/​o​livia-breen-shorts-briefs-intl-scli-gb​r/index.html

The Colombian cycling team from back in 2014 is another interesting example:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w​a​y/2014/09/15/348714775/nude-or-not-wom​ens-cycling-team-uniform-makes-waves

And like I said, in sports where women do get to choose, they often choose bikini-like bottoms.  For example, consider this source:

https://www.wcnc.com/article/sports/o​l​ympics/why-do-beach-volleyball-athlete​s-wear-bikinis/275-a6d240e9-b799-4e08-​bfb2-b1e5f25f53d6

There are some historical problems with traditional outfits being a bit too sexualized sometimes.  The German gymnastics team switching to less revealing clothing for their competitions is one example of trying to counter that.  And note that officials of the sport didn't give them trouble when they changed up the standard leotards.

I think that you should concentrate on listening to what women are actually saying about their uniforms instead of trying to whiteknight based on what people assume will be best for them.
 
2021-08-04 2:27:13 PM  

Magnus: That rando is a bit more nuanced than you.  Due to me listening to that rando and not you, I informed myself about this issue as you sounded like you are just blaring your virtue signal and don't really understand this uniform issue.  I was right.


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2021-08-04 2:51:23 PM  
How much revenue do the boys bring in compared to the girls?
 
2021-08-04 3:23:31 PM  

Rozotorical: Magnus: Rozotorical: Krazikarl: shut_it_down: Have we tried requiring them to wear bikini bottoms like other sports have done? Not to be sexy, but because it's better for their coordination or something?

The vast majority of women wearing bikini bottoms at say, the Olympics, are doing it by choice.

Beach Volleyball, for example, allows for women to wear a bunch of different bottoms, including shorts and 1 piece swimsuits.  The women almost universally choose to bikini bottoms because they're better to compete in - really the only people who don't are doing it for religious reasons.  Similarly, the track athletes have quite a bit of choice on what they can wear, but generally choose the least restrictive options.

I'm well aware that there was one INCREDIBLY obscure sport that didn't give women the option, but that was a weird exception rather than the norm.

So I'm really not why you're complaining about the choice the women were given and made.  But I guess men complaining about women being allowed to chose is the norm on the internet.

Yeah, ignore the women athletes who are complaining about this huge issue in women's sports, and listen to this random dude mansplain how the dames like it when men dress them this way.

That rando is a bit more nuanced than you.  Due to me listening to that rando and not you, I informed myself about this issue as you sounded like you are just blaring your virtue signal and don't really understand this uniform issue.  I was right.

I doubt you do anything more than read the headline, get all charged up and go spouting off on people that you suspect do not adhere specifically to your POV.  So, here. Maybe you'll see that what is happening about women's uniforms in sports is more than just bikini bottoms are bad...which is more in line with what is happening in this story about women's sports in college and how the NCAA handles funding/coverage of those sports.

So you decided to not read that link you sent.


Cool


BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
2021-08-04 3:44:41 PM  
The men's tournament makes $900 million.   The women's makes some fraction of $34 million.  So, basically how much money needs to be taken away from the men's side to prop up the women?
 
2021-08-04 3:55:59 PM  

caljar: The men's tournament makes $900 million.   The women's makes some fraction of $34 million.  So, basically how much money needs to be taken away from the men's side to prop up the women?


How much it "makes" isn't relevant.  How much is spent/invested is what matters.

You can't give the men spacious athletic dorms and top level training facilities and personal trainers, and then tell the women's team they have to live in sheds and train in public spaces and pay for their own uniforms.  You put the programs together in similar ways.  If one gets more TV time due to popularity, that's just a nice to have.  But it's not supposed to turn into luxury and extra privileges for one side of the program over the other.
 
2021-08-04 4:13:34 PM  

Khellendros: caljar: The men's tournament makes $900 million.   The women's makes some fraction of $34 million.  So, basically how much money needs to be taken away from the men's side to prop up the women?

How much it "makes" isn't relevant.  How much is spent/invested is what matters.

You can't give the men spacious athletic dorms and top level training facilities and personal trainers, and then tell the women's team they have to live in sheds and train in public spaces and pay for their own uniforms.  You put the programs together in similar ways.  If one gets more TV time due to popularity, that's just a nice to have.  But it's not supposed to turn into luxury and extra privileges for one side of the program over the other.


For college athletics under the auspices of NCAA and subject to title IX, I agree with this. Colleges and universities in the US subject to title IX must provide similar facilities and environments for both male and female athletes.

Those who do not identify as either gender can apparently go to the local Y.
 
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