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2021-08-01 10:50:41 PM  
Enjoy your factory farm food
 
2021-08-01 11:47:22 PM  
It's single-serving, because nobody else wants to eat it.

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2021-08-02 12:12:48 AM  
screw animal milk. Let them live in peace. Soy/almond/coconut milk for the win.
 
2021-08-02 12:14:12 AM  
I was hoping we were going to talk about MAGAts
 
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2021-08-02 12:33:55 AM  

mjjt: I was hoping we were going to talk about MAGAts


Not to kink shame you, but there ain't no damn way I'm squeezing a MAGAt's nipples.
 
2021-08-02 12:50:47 AM  

foo monkey: It's single-serving, because nobody else wants to eat it.

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2021-08-02 1:14:12 AM  
All throughout my time in FFA we were saying about the sad inevitable tale here.
 
2021-08-02 2:07:18 AM  
They need to start milking almonds.  I hear people are drinking the milk straight from almond boobs.
 
2021-08-02 2:38:06 AM  
Serious question, what is so great about small farms
 
2021-08-02 2:38:31 AM  
Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).
 
2021-08-02 2:58:13 AM  
Every son or grandson of a small time farmer that I've known in the last 50+ years has been running away from animal husbandry.  Most humans like an occasional break, but slopping hogs and milking cows is 7days a week.
 
2021-08-02 3:16:34 AM  

lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms


Money goes to middle class Americans who exploit illegal immigrants instead of wealthy Americans who exploit immigrants. That's better or something I guess. Either way they're voting GQP and getting a metric farkload in welfare.
 
2021-08-02 3:36:17 AM  

aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).


The only reason I do not inhabit a rural area is that I have not found one that isn't run by those people. The ones that aren't, are likely too expensive or uninhabitable.
 
2021-08-02 4:00:22 AM  

jerryskid: They need to start milking almonds.  I hear people are drinking the milk straight from almond boobs.


I thought almond milk was for almond boobs.
 
2021-08-02 4:38:20 AM  

aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).


At least here in California, artisanal cheese is a huge deal.
Maybe Americans should try eating less, better, more expensive food.
 
2021-08-02 6:10:03 AM  
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2021-08-02 6:53:18 AM  

Kick The Chair: screw animal milk. Let them live in peace. Soy/almond/coconut milk for the win.


Water waster.
 
2021-08-02 7:40:52 AM  

Kick The Chair: screw animal milk. Let them live in peace. Soy/almond/coconut milk for the win.


Just because it's white and liquid doesn't make it milk.
 
2021-08-02 7:43:34 AM  

lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms


Better treatment of the animals, and better for the environment, at least in theory.
 
2021-08-02 7:45:54 AM  

jso2897: aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).

At least here in California, artisanal cheese is a huge deal.
Maybe Americans should try eating less, better, more expensive food.


Given how many Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, that's not an option for a lot of people.
 
2021-08-02 8:05:51 AM  

The Brains: aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).

The only reason I do not inhabit a rural area is that I have not found one that isn't run by those people. The ones that aren't, are likely too expensive or uninhabitable.


I toured Martha's Vineyard this summer, they have some 50 farms there, nearly all are less than 5 acres.  How do they survive on a wealthy island where land is north of $5 million an acre?  The towns own most of the land and lease it out to farmers at essentially no cost to "preserve a way of life".  So it's weirdly cheaper and more profitable to run a 2 acre farm there than a 100 acre farm in the Midwest (and yeah there is a long waiting list to get a lease).
 
2021-08-02 8:25:21 AM  

Northern: The Brains: aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).

The only reason I do not inhabit a rural area is that I have not found one that isn't run by those people. The ones that aren't, are likely too expensive or uninhabitable.

I toured Martha's Vineyard this summer, they have some 50 farms there, nearly all are less than 5 acres.  How do they survive on a wealthy island where land is north of $5 million an acre?  The towns own most of the land and lease it out to farmers at essentially no cost to "preserve a way of life".  So it's weirdly cheaper and more profitable to run a 2 acre farm there than a 100 acre farm in the Midwest (and yeah there is a long waiting list to get a lease).


Ehe economies of scale are in full force in farming. One person can take care of 5-10 acres with just a tractor, some attachments, and a partnership with the local dairy farm. More than that, you start needing specialized equipment which gets super expensive really quick. That doesn't even take into account things like seeds, fertilizers, and pesticides from megacompanies that will sue you if you look at their seeds funny.

Personally, I'd like to have a  vertical hydroponic/aquaculture center based out of abandoned box stores. Fill the parking lots up with solar panel, solar on the roof, and you've got yourself sustainable urban/suburban agriculture.
 
2021-08-02 8:35:11 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Kick The Chair: screw animal milk. Let them live in peace. Soy/almond/coconut milk for the win.

Just because it's white and liquid doesn't make it milk.


Skeet skeet skeet!
 
2021-08-02 8:39:36 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Kick The Chair: screw animal milk. Let them live in peace. Soy/almond/coconut milk for the win.

Just because it's white and liquid doesn't make it milk.


Coconut milk tastes like water that just came from someone else's mouth.
 
hej
2021-08-02 8:48:15 AM  
I'll stick with human milk, thanks.
 
hej
2021-08-02 8:49:50 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Just because it's white and liquid doesn't make it milk.


Tell that to your mom.
 
2021-08-02 8:52:23 AM  

lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms


Small farms are great because when they fark up they only poison a small group of people instead of entire states.
 
2021-08-02 9:43:54 AM  

Northern: The Brains: aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).

The only reason I do not inhabit a rural area is that I have not found one that isn't run by those people. The ones that aren't, are likely too expensive or uninhabitable.

I toured Martha's Vineyard this summer, they have some 50 farms there, nearly all are less than 5 acres.  How do they survive on a wealthy island where land is north of $5 million an acre?  The towns own most of the land and lease it out to farmers at essentially no cost to "preserve a way of life".  So it's weirdly cheaper and more profitable to run a 2 acre farm there than a 100 acre farm in the Midwest (and yeah there is a long waiting list to get a lease).


I don't know how it works in Martha's Vineyard, but New Jersey has a metric shiat-ton of 'farms', some of them just outside NYC.   Bet you didn't know Bruce Springsteen is a 'farmer'.   In Jersey almost all of these 'farms' are a tax dodge.  To be considered a a farmer in New Jersey you need to own a certain amount of land and to show a few thousand dollars in farm revenue every year, not profit, revenue.   Example, buy a few horses at the beginning of the year...NJ has the highest number of horses per square mile of any state in the Union...sell them at the end of the year, and their's your farm 'revenue'.    The land is then considered at 'farm' and taxed at a the farm rate of a few hundred dollars per year, per acre, instead of the tens of thousands of dollars if  that same land would be tax if it was associated with a private residence.   Of course there are some actual working farms in New Jersey.  Real farmers produce about $1 billion in revenue a year.  Cash crops are blueberries, cranberries,  tomatoes, eggplant, hay (animal fodder), apples, peaches, cut flowers, etc.   However, most of those small 'family' farms in NJ are in fact just another grift the wealthy use to avoid paying taxes on their estates.
 
2021-08-02 10:05:20 AM  

taintbaggins: lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms

Small farms are great because when they fark up they only poison a small group of people instead of entire states.


All the milk goes to the same dairy.  It's been this way since the milk truck came daily to pick up at my grandfather's farm.  It all gets tainted together.
 
2021-08-02 10:14:46 AM  

lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms


Nothing. They've been fetishized by conservatives as this symbol of a midcentury "American Heartland" that never existed. They're a holdover from an earlier time, but small farms are guilty of the same sins as large farms; A workforce of exploited illegal immigrants, wasting water hand over fist, dumping agricultural waste directly in the creek or river.

Small farms are often painted as "family affairs" but all the "farmers" do is run the big machines, or go out to feed the cows if they're on camera. Meanwhile, the rest of the backbreaking work is done by some H2A workers, or just straight up illegal immigrants for less than minimum wage, because federal and state laws allow agricultural workers to be shafted.

The primary thing small farms do is form a reliable voting and lobbying block for republicans. The same republicans who favor big business at the expense of the little guy. Because they have this fetishistic narrative about "small farms" that keep the little guy voting for them consistently.
 
2021-08-02 10:40:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: taintbaggins: lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms

Small farms are great because when they fark up they only poison a small group of people instead of entire states.

All the milk goes to the same dairy.  It's been this way since the milk truck came daily to pick up at my grandfather's farm.  It all gets tainted together.


You mean the cheap poor-people private label milk comes out of the same spigot as my beloved beard & flannel brand!?

/shocked
/not shocked
 
2021-08-02 10:49:37 AM  

lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms


In opposition to all of the other snarky "nothing lulz" replies, the same thing that is good about any small business. Not allowing one single company to dictate everything about an industry. You can run that up against price fixing, environmental impact, ability to lobby for favors to your corporation, ability to extract more for your shareholders vs the workers, the list goes on.

Animal farming especially, if you have a few dozen cows/pigs/chickens whatever you can easily buy your feed locally and sell off the poop locally (or just use it yourself). You can probably sell a lot of the milk/meat locally too. The industrial pig farms have huge waste holding ponds built at minimum cost that you better hope never leak. They're also going to have a parade of long haul semi trucks going in and out of the facility for feed and product.

Now, that doesn't mean that all farming subsidies are good, exploitation of undocumented labor is good, political grandstanding, or any of the other weird things we've wrapped up in small farms... but that still doesn't make industrial farming automatically good. Especially with the way we let those corporations capture all of the regulatory bodies.
 
2021-08-02 10:55:32 AM  

taintbaggins: Rapmaster2000: taintbaggins: lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms

Small farms are great because when they fark up they only poison a small group of people instead of entire states.

All the milk goes to the same dairy.  It's been this way since the milk truck came daily to pick up at my grandfather's farm.  It all gets tainted together.

You mean the cheap poor-people private label milk comes out of the same spigot as my beloved beard & flannel brand!?

/shocked
/not shocked


Unless it's specified for a specific purpose like organic.  But the milk that says Publix on the label is the same as the milk that says Mayfield.
 
2021-08-02 11:19:30 AM  
There used to be a few dairies within 5 or 10 miles from my house.  All gone now.  They either get bigger or they dissappear.
 
2021-08-02 11:32:34 AM  
My cousin switched from corn and soybeans to Rye and Specialty Grains. He now sells to craft brewers and distillers. He's making 7 times as much money on the same acreage.

He makes enough money to buy his feed and have it delivered.
 
2021-08-02 11:46:40 AM  
Economies of Scale mean larger producers of a product tend to have lower costs.

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2021-08-02 11:59:28 AM  

Geotpf: Economies of Scale mean larger producers of a product tend to have lower costs.

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And the reward$$ for increasing scale in farming are bonkers. Even for crops that still require substantial manual labor to get them out of the field.

The downsides are also bonkers but most societies have decided it is okay to keep the benefits private and the costs public. That feeling is starting to change but holy shiat is it hard to convince people that paying more for food is a good idea.
 
2021-08-02 12:06:06 PM  

taintbaggins: Geotpf: Economies of Scale mean larger producers of a product tend to have lower costs.

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And the reward$$ for increasing scale in farming are bonkers. Even for crops that still require substantial manual labor to get them out of the field.

The downsides are also bonkers but most societies have decided it is okay to keep the benefits private and the costs public. That feeling is starting to change but holy shiat is it hard to convince people that paying more for food is a good idea.


This is the case for basically every product.  But for some reason we romanticize the small farmer.  We don't do this for the small automaker, or the small screw maker, or the small toilet paper maker.  But farmers are special because reasons.
 
2021-08-02 12:08:35 PM  

The Brains: aerojockey: Haven't mom-and-pop dairy farms figured out how to do craft dairy yet?  Make some high-end butter and cheese, and hire a graphic designer to make you a cool label.  A whole lot of Small Ag has gone that way (including my family's vineyard/winery which I will not plug here because they are antivax Trumpists).

The only reason I do not inhabit a rural area is that I have not found one that isn't run by those people. The ones that aren't, are likely too expensive or uninhabitable.


The rural/urban divide between the two main political parties is large and getting larger, for a wide variety of obvious reasons.  This is a serious problem in the Senate, of course, due to low population large states getting the same number of Senators as large liberal states.
 
2021-08-02 12:38:24 PM  

Geotpf: taintbaggins: Geotpf: Economies of Scale mean larger producers of a product tend to have lower costs.

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And the reward$$ for increasing scale in farming are bonkers. Even for crops that still require substantial manual labor to get them out of the field.

The downsides are also bonkers but most societies have decided it is okay to keep the benefits private and the costs public. That feeling is starting to change but holy shiat is it hard to convince people that paying more for food is a good idea.

This is the case for basically every product.  But for some reason we romanticize the small farmer.  We don't do this for the small automaker, or the small screw maker, or the small toilet paper maker.  But farmers are special because reasons.


It's because 100 years ago the majority of the US lived on farms. It's been idolized in songs, books, and films.
 
2021-08-02 12:56:48 PM  
This is what they voted for.

"Business friendly" Republicans.

LOL, it works for so many things.
 
2021-08-02 1:12:40 PM  
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2021-08-02 1:54:38 PM  

lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms


There's a reasonable chance the farmer cares about the well being of his cows.  A corporation will care even less about the cows than it's "human resources", largely because the humans can quit.

The small diaries died 40 years ago (my granddad started one in the depression, and sold it to his son (my uncle) around 1980.  I think my uncle sold it* a few years after granddad died (1990)? and probably only held out that long because he didn't want to have his father see it die.

* the milk suppliers contracts and customers.  Nobody wanted the physical thing.  The building has been a pizza parlor for awhile, most likely for delivery as the front doesn't look inviting.

/yes, the grandson of a diaryman takes his diary foods seriously
//you better believe me mom fed me plenty of diary-based foods (part of the  reason I'm 6'5")
///also granddad would always bring huge cartons of milk and everything else (orange drink was my favorite) when he came
 
2021-08-02 2:05:40 PM  

shinji3i: lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms

Money goes to middle class Americans who exploit illegal immigrants instead of wealthy Americans who exploit immigrants. That's better or something I guess. Either way they're voting GQP and getting a metric farkload in welfare.


The factory farms are the ones employing migrant workers.
The family farm is me, my two sons and the four grandsons and two granddaughters.

To be fair, it's a hobby farm, 100 sheep and some supplemental food. fark grocery store tomatoes.
We have real jobs because we probably couldn't make it even though there is a good plot of land. It's hay and pasture.
 
2021-08-02 2:52:21 PM  

cretinbob: shinji3i: lincoln65: Serious question, what is so great about small farms

Money goes to middle class Americans who exploit illegal immigrants instead of wealthy Americans who exploit immigrants. That's better or something I guess. Either way they're voting GQP and getting a metric farkload in welfare.

The factory farms are the ones employing migrant workers.
The family farm is me, my two sons and the four grandsons and two granddaughters.

To be fair, it's a hobby farm, 100 sheep and some supplemental food. fark grocery store tomatoes.
We have real jobs because we probably couldn't make it even though there is a good plot of land. It's hay and pasture.


Thank you for proving his point
 
2021-08-02 5:18:33 PM  
Look at that sweet heifer, high, tight udder, in her first lactation, idn't she sweet?" auctioneer Tom Bidlingmaier shouts as his son Cory plods and slips and pushes the cow around a pen.

Stop. My penis can only get so erect.
 
2021-08-02 8:20:18 PM  
Wow that's terrible, a few dozen people have to find new jobs in a market with 9.5 million openings.
 
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