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2021-08-02 6:29:41 AM  
TFA:"There needs to be a word. A word that combines frustrating, terrifying, and infuriating."

anyone here speak German?
 
2021-08-02 7:01:00 AM  
I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.
 
2021-08-02 7:01:41 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: TFA:"There needs to be a word. A word that combines frustrating, terrifying, and infuriating."

anyone here speak German?


A little.  I tried typing it out but apparently Fark has a character limit.
 
2021-08-02 7:18:17 AM  

adamatari: I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.


^ this

And they did this WHILE they suckered all of us in arguing over the "personal carbon footprint" BS.
 
2021-08-02 7:22:43 AM  
While I agree with the thrust, that article was 90% editorializing and like 3% actual evidence or quotes. This felt like a blog post.
 
2021-08-02 7:48:55 AM  

adamatari: I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.


Why invest your own money in increased power capacity or renewables when the federal government will simply "bail out" the system with billions of free dollars once the shiat hits the fan.
Who knew giving trillions and trillions to the wealthy to fix crisis they created would lead to planned crisis rather than sound management?
/Did I mention that Ted Cruz's wife, a Goldman Sachs senior manager and major investor in the TX energy grid, may have made a 7-8 figure bonus when the grid failed, killing entire families?  Good thing they went to Mexico where the utilities are better regulated.
 
2021-08-02 7:54:46 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: TFA:"There needs to be a word. A word that combines frustrating, terrifying, and infuriating."

anyone here speak German?


Captain Obvious hat schon vor langer Zeit angefangen, sein eigenes Grab zu schaufeln
 
2021-08-02 8:12:16 AM  

Mechanicum: While I agree with the thrust, that article was 90% editorializing and like 3% actual evidence or quotes. This felt like a blog post.


That is kind of what dailykos is.
 
2021-08-02 8:25:47 AM  
You actually want to make a difference? Ban the export of coal to China. If the US and Australia did that it would have a bigger effect than literally anything else the US could do.
 
2021-08-02 8:47:00 AM  

adamatari: I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.


Slaves hated the system they were under. It was very good at generatijg wealth. That doesnt mean they were enablers or accomplices.
 
2021-08-02 9:31:38 AM  

b2theory: You actually want to make a difference? Ban the export of coal to China. If the US and Australia did that it would have a bigger effect than literally anything else the US could do.


True, but this is the sort of move that motivated Japan to attack Pearl Harbor.  Maybe we're not quite at that point yet.
 
2021-08-02 9:40:40 AM  
Strange how they still complain about this, even after we achieved grid parity.

Farmers can get more money per acre farming solar power than corn any more.  (only get about 800-1000 per acre net w corn, and upwards of $20k per acre w solar farming.  (Lots of factors go into that, though)
 
2021-08-02 9:50:22 AM  

Wizzbang: b2theory: You actually want to make a difference? Ban the export of coal to China. If the US and Australia did that it would have a bigger effect than literally anything else the US could do.

True, but this is the sort of move that motivated Japan to attack Pearl Harbor.  Maybe we're not quite at that point yet.


Make it clear that it isn't an economic attack meant to punish China or limit it's growth. Heck, ban the export of coal from the US to anywhere. I don't know that it will prevent China from finding another source of coal, but you will not make a meaningful dent in Climate change until you deal with China's dependence on coal.
 
2021-08-02 10:42:00 AM  

b2theory: I don't know that it will prevent China from finding another source of coal, but you will not make a meaningful dent in Climate change until you deal with China's dependence on coal.


We are well past the "do this and fix climate change" point.  To actually fix climate change at this point would require measures so drastic and unpopular that any government that proposed them would be immediately be thrown out of office, either via the ballot box or the ammo box-and you would need to implement such in every county on the planet immediately.  Not going to happen.

The only politically possible solution is geoengineering, which the Powers That Be have decided not to do.
 
2021-08-02 11:15:26 AM  
Who could imagine that releasing Carbon and Methane that had been trapped and collected by organic sources over billions of years in 150 years would cause any sort of issue?
 
2021-08-02 12:04:17 PM  

Geotpf: b2theory: I don't know that it will prevent China from finding another source of coal, but you will not make a meaningful dent in Climate change until you deal with China's dependence on coal.

We are well past the "do this and fix climate change" point.  To actually fix climate change at this point would require measures so drastic and unpopular that any government that proposed them would be immediately be thrown out of office, either via the ballot box or the ammo box-and you would need to implement such in every county on the planet immediately.  Not going to happen.

The only politically possible solution is geoengineering, which the Powers That Be have decided not to do.


All we can do at this point is slow/stop the bleeding.  The climate will continue to warm well after we have achieved net-zero emissions.  We're now in feedback loop territory.  Greenland is basically a lost cause at this point.  we're GOING to lose that ice sheet, and there's just about zero we can do about it any more.

Antarctica...maybe.  If we're aggressive enough about it...but right now, we just can't get there.
 
2021-08-02 12:44:16 PM  

brainlordmesomorph: adamatari: I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.

^ this

And they did this WHILE they suckered all of us in arguing over the "personal carbon footprint" BS.


They're not wrong, though. Yes, corporations emitted most of the CO2 by raw volume, but it was done in pursuit of consumption. By Americans.

General Motors didn't make the Chevy Suburban for giggles. Tyson doesn't have an atrocious animal welfare record in a vacuum. Pepsi doesn't pump aquifers dry to sell bottled water because they're Captain Planet villains. All of that was because American consumers wanted lots of stuff at low prices.

REDUCE comes before RECYCLE because it's more effective for the earth. Why do you think companies make rainbow logos rather than Nazi designs during pride month? Because consumers reward them with sales for it.

Be better citizens and corporations will pander to that.
 
2021-08-02 3:40:41 PM  
When did DailyKOS get red flagged by newsguard?
 
2021-08-02 4:52:38 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: brainlordmesomorph: adamatari: I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.

^ this

And they did this WHILE they suckered all of us in arguing over the "personal carbon footprint" BS.

They're not wrong, though. Yes, corporations emitted most of the CO2 by raw volume, but it was done in pursuit of consumption. By Americans.

General Motors didn't make the Chevy Suburban for giggles. Tyson doesn't have an atrocious animal welfare record in a vacuum. Pepsi doesn't pump aquifers dry to sell bottled water because they're Captain Planet villains. All of that was because American consumers wanted lots of stuff at low prices.

REDUCE comes before RECYCLE because it's more effective for the earth. Why do you think companies make rainbow logos rather than Nazi designs during pride month? Because consumers reward them with sales for it.

Be better citizens and corporations will pander to that.


But they're not right either. For example, as a consumer, it is literally impossible for me to do my grocery shopping without plastics. I can not purchase certain items without them being packaged in plastic in some way. So how the hell am I supposed to reduce?
 
2021-08-02 6:04:43 PM  

My Second Fark Account: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: brainlordmesomorph: adamatari: I threw out a long comment. Tl;dr they shiat the pool and are grinning about it. Everything they say is lies.

I am infuriated. But we all have been sucking down what they gave us. Are we the victims or just enablers or are we accomplices? All of the above? Our rich industrial society was not willing or able to try to save itself. Especially the rich and powerful who knew better than anyone - real sociopaths.

Yesterday people on another forum were complaining that a 2035 end date for new fossil fuel vehicle sales was "too soon". No, it's too late. A lot of things need to change fast. I don't think they will.

^ this

And they did this WHILE they suckered all of us in arguing over the "personal carbon footprint" BS.

They're not wrong, though. Yes, corporations emitted most of the CO2 by raw volume, but it was done in pursuit of consumption. By Americans.

General Motors didn't make the Chevy Suburban for giggles. Tyson doesn't have an atrocious animal welfare record in a vacuum. Pepsi doesn't pump aquifers dry to sell bottled water because they're Captain Planet villains. All of that was because American consumers wanted lots of stuff at low prices.

REDUCE comes before RECYCLE because it's more effective for the earth. Why do you think companies make rainbow logos rather than Nazi designs during pride month? Because consumers reward them with sales for it.

Be better citizens and corporations will pander to that.

But they're not right either. For example, as a consumer, it is literally impossible for me to do my grocery shopping without plastics. I can not purchase certain items without them being packaged in plastic in some way. So how the hell am I supposed to reduce?


It is impossible to preserve certain foodstuffs without using plastic, or at the very least plastic is the cheapest method to do so.  IE, without plastic, those items would not be available or would cost a lot more.

Note that going "organic", ironically, is not the solution here.  Organic farming methods are extremely inefficient, pretty much by design.  Inefficiency is something to be gotten rid of, not encouraged.
 
2021-08-02 8:08:36 PM  

Geotpf: Note that going "organic", ironically, is not the solution here.  Organic farming methods are extremely inefficient, pretty much by design.  Inefficiency is something to be gotten rid of, not encouraged.


I know what you're trying to say, but I can't agree. Organic agriculture is working to fix the OTHER set of terrible consequences of industrialism - the insect die off and pollution caused by agriculture. Surely just as factories should not pump pollution into the air, feedlot farms poisoning the water and unchecked chemical use undermine the base of the ecosystem (insects) should not be allowed.

Organic agriculture can feed the world, especially if we cut down on meat and ranch where it's ecologically appropriate. Efficiency doesn't mean much if you cut the legs off the living systems that sustain the world.

We need to be mindful of how we do things. We don't even need to go fully organic if we could use pesticides and fertilizers carefully and protected marginal lands (which are needed for insects and wildlife - the other part of the insect population dropping is farm fields increasingly taking over every inch for marginal profits). And certainly organic as we now define it can be terrible too. But I urge you to not promote industry talking points without some research.

There is not a single aspect of our current way of life that doesn't deserve close scrutiny right now.
 
2021-08-03 7:13:08 AM  
We all gotta go green, we gotta go underground, and we gotta go now.

Houses, powerlines, internet - we need to go full mole if we want to make it long term.  The planet is frying and flooding, and depending on how the coin toss goes, it's just going to get Hotter - or the elastic is going to snap and we get to see the start of a (hopefully "Little") Ice Age.

Underground Cities could be more useful than just "hide from invasion" purposes.  And we have the tech to protect us from Radon, and have safe air systems...

Added bonus, it would harden the electric system from EMPs, CME's, and GRBs.  Last one can be lethal to Us on the surface as well, so... 2-for-1.
 
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