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(Space.com)   Russia claims that thruster misfire was caused by a software glitch, not a deliberate attempt to de-orbit the International Space Station and rain fire, death, and destruction on decadent Western imperialists   (space.com) divider line
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2021-07-30 3:33:01 PM  
Much more likely the Russian was drunk.
 
2021-07-30 3:34:31 PM  
I lose attitude control for less and for longer periods of time.
 
2021-07-30 3:40:47 PM  

eurotrader: Much more likely the Russian was drunk.


Hanlon's razor.
 
2021-07-30 3:56:51 PM  
This is why I don't think Russia is behind those TicTacs in the Navy videos. However, Puttie does have a whole army of Internet trolls and criminals who are just bright enough to cause annoying and sometimes serious problems.
 
2021-07-30 4:00:12 PM  
Russian Thruster Misfires sounds like a Pornhub channel that caters to post-Soviet premature ejaculation fetishists.
 
2021-07-30 4:17:52 PM  
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2021-07-30 4:36:27 PM  

eurotrader: Much more likely the Russian was drunk.


This guy?

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2021-07-30 5:04:03 PM  
I heard it was space antifa.
 
2021-07-30 5:14:42 PM  
I predict future changes to added modules will include either draining the thruster tanks, having the thruster module be removeable, or having a physical valve lock that has to be opened for the thruster to fire.

Plus, this process will be done before the module connects to the ISS.


Once it is attached, the thruster assembly will be tested with small amounts of fuel to ensure that it doesn't have similar software issues.
 
2021-07-30 5:16:42 PM  
It was clearly malice, not incompetence. Not every accusation of malice is an ad hominem argument. And,. if you analyze the incompetence theory, you find out is its extremely unlikely, and even more interesting, choosing incompetence is a form of malice. like in the USA, when the GOP defunds NASA projects (a form of imposing incompetence by taking away the basis for competence) and then the GOP starts up Space Force. That is obviouly the proper moment for critical thinking textbook readers (like yours truly) to throw out the idea that incompetence is aligned with the principle of charity, in order to avoid ad hominem missteps.

Thi was not incompetence. However, NASA, is used to the feds imposing incompetence on their operations by restricting funding and diverting competence to private sector and Space Force (no American billionaire just paid for their space flight development without the GOP defunding NASA and forcing layoffs of key personnel), NASA has an institutional memory of only the lat decade thanks to GOP funding strategies, so they are not in a position to pursue the malice we can all see.

What we are watching is one brief episode in a multi-decade dismantling of American political power. Russia just proved the USA's best symbols of space supremacy are no longer in their control. If the Russians were merely incompetent, the USA cannot do jack squat about it. Russia wins.
 
2021-07-30 5:18:27 PM  
Russians are incompetent.  Remember the Mir?
 
2021-07-30 5:24:16 PM  
What's the Russian term for brown alert?
 
2021-07-30 5:38:29 PM  
Go back and read the tweet thread from yesterday and tell me that doesn't sound like a cyberterrorism event. Random firings and the Russian solution to make sure it does not repeat is to disable the Nauka service module's ability to accept further commands to fire. Isn't the Russian ground crew the only ones in command of that thing?

Apparently NASA and Roscosmos do not think that to be the case...
 
2021-07-30 5:55:02 PM  

Stibium: Go back and read the tweet thread from yesterday and tell me that doesn't sound like a cyberterrorism event. Random firings and the Russian solution to make sure it does not repeat is to disable the Nauka service module's ability to accept further commands to fire. Isn't the Russian ground crew the only ones in command of that thing?

Apparently NASA and Roscosmos do not think that to be the case...


It doesn't sound like cyberterrorism to me.  Remember, this is the same crowd that drilled a hole in their own spacecraft, installed a Proton sensor backwards - using a hammer, and bent a Soyuz  sensor badly enough to cause it to fire an emergency escape during launch.  These guys are perfectly capable of screwing things up badly enough to do this.
 
2021-07-30 6:23:45 PM  
Sure Russia won the space race, but a lot of their rockets blew up on the pad. One rocket explosion took out an important general there to watch the launch. It's due to dumb luck that they got a guy up in space first.
 
2021-07-30 7:02:55 PM  
This incident has pushed back what was supposed to be CST-100 Demo-2's launch from today to Tuesday, so for once, someone -else's- shiatty software has screwed over Boeing.
 
2021-07-30 7:10:35 PM  
Subby, my friend...

Russia is run by decadent western imperialists, has been for a bit over four decades now.

You really shouldn't have slept in that ring of toadstools after that game of ninepins, you missed a lot of... hm... um...

... yeah, honestly you might wanna just not worry about it, and maybe go back in there for another four decades, actually.
 
2021-07-30 8:10:42 PM  
That's strange. We don't have thruster misfires and they steal everything from us.
 
2021-07-30 8:29:17 PM  
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"This is Russian space station, Houston. I'm thinking I have gravity now"
 
2021-07-30 8:57:28 PM  

Jake Havechek: Sure Russia won the space race, but a lot of their rockets blew up on the pad. One rocket explosion took out an important general there to watch the launch. It's due to dumb luck that they got a guy up in space first.


Yuri Gagarin *orbited* Earth.  Not a "space, yeah!" ala Bezos and Branson moves done by Alan Shepard and Gus Grissom, but full "orbiting Earth" like it took NASA until John Glenn to finally get right.  Sure, Vostok was a death trap, but so was Mercury: they had to get another guy to "light this candle" because the guy who was supposed to do it was convinced he'd kill Shepard.

They were well ahead during Sputnik, and well ahead with Vostok.  It was only through really throwing money at shait did NASA get ahead sometime during Gemini (and then let the Ruskies get back ahead sometime during the 1970s or 1980s and all those Soviet space stations).

/* note: like Branson "not officially meeting the FIA qualifications for a space flight"
// Gagarin didn't "really" qualify regardless of orbiting the Earth.
/// he parachuted out early because they didn't trust the Vostok's parachutes.  This was a no-no according to FIA
 
2021-07-30 9:17:59 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: It was clearly malice, not incompetence. Not every accusation of malice is an ad hominem argument. And,. if you analyze the incompetence theory, you find out is its extremely unlikely, and even more interesting, choosing incompetence is a form of malice. like in the USA, when the GOP defunds NASA projects (a form of imposing incompetence by taking away the basis for competence) and then the GOP starts up Space Force. That is obviouly the proper moment for critical thinking textbook readers (like yours truly) to throw out the idea that incompetence is aligned with the principle of charity, in order to avoid ad hominem missteps.

Thi was not incompetence. However, NASA, is used to the feds imposing incompetence on their operations by restricting funding and diverting competence to private sector and Space Force (no American billionaire just paid for their space flight development without the GOP defunding NASA and forcing layoffs of key personnel), NASA has an institutional memory of only the lat decade thanks to GOP funding strategies, so they are not in a position to pursue the malice we can all see.

What we are watching is one brief episode in a multi-decade dismantling of American political power. Russia just proved the USA's best symbols of space supremacy are no longer in their control. If the Russians were merely incompetent, the USA cannot do jack squat about it. Russia wins.


Russia could have lost two cosmonauts, at least one vehicle, and brought down the ISS. I seriously doubt that this was anything more than the explanation given by the Russian space agency.
 
2021-07-30 9:52:02 PM  
Trampolines are tricky.
 
2021-07-31 10:37:19 AM  
Has anyone bothered to ask if Russia is working on a replacement space station?  If they are, sabotage.  If they're not, drunk Russian programmer.
 
2021-07-31 10:51:30 AM  

TwilightZone: Has anyone bothered to ask if Russia is working on a replacement space station?  If they are, sabotage.  If they're not, drunk Russian programmer.


Russia is planning on making its own space station, when the ISS discontinues operations in 2024.
But... a large part of there own future space station is currently attached to the ISS.

Not sabotage.
 
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