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(CBS News)   Fertility doc who was fond of secretly using his sperm to impregnate patients settles with dozens for $13.3 million. Of course, that's in Canadian dollars, so by the time it's all converted to American they'll each get about $22.50 and a Twinkie   (cbsnews.com) divider line
    More: Dumbass, Father, Parent, Mother, 82-year-old Dr. Norman Barwin, multi-million dollar, children of a fertility doctor, Plaintiff, Civil law  
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2021-07-30 4:07:13 PM  
12 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


Fertility clinics aren't just "hey we want a baby, give me any old shiat you got", most people are going in with the expectation that they will at least make an effort to use one partner's sperm and one partner's eggs. And if that's impossible, then they should be made aware of that. Note that they're not just upset that they're his kids, they're also upset that they now no idea whose kids they are ata ll.

There are many reasons for infertility that can be solved by IVF, it's not just people w/ useless cum where they need a donor.

On top of that, it's a good idea to diversify. You don't want to have a situation where dozens of siblings are out there farking each other completely unaware that they're inbreeding.
 
2021-07-30 3:59:41 PM  
12 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


Because it's f*cked up and gross, an ethical violation, they've all been cuckoo'ed into raising this guy's gene pool, and it messes with their relationships with these kids.
 
2021-07-30 4:09:47 PM  
9 votes:

Corn_Fed: OneFretAway: OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?

Because it's f*cked up and gross, an ethical violation, they've all been cuckoo'ed into raising this guy's gene pool, and it messes with their relationships with these kids.

Only if they were wanting a designer baby. In which case, it's the couples who are unethical. It only messes with their relationship with the kids if they are complete and total assholes. A baby is a baby is a baby.


One of the reasons a person would choose an anonymous donor is to not have someone with some kind of f*cked up emotional connection to the child.  I get that you can't see that, but I can't help you with that.
 
2021-07-30 3:54:39 PM  
9 votes:
Not sure if I'd accept a cream-filled Twinkie from that particular fertility doctor.
 
2021-07-30 4:07:20 PM  
7 votes:
These kids are going to have a lot of half-brothers and half-sisters in their town.

As they grow older, date and choose their spouses, they will need to be cognizant of that.
 
2021-07-30 4:03:43 PM  
7 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


Do you want a kid whose dad is massive narcissist?
 
2021-07-30 4:11:21 PM  
6 votes:

lolmao500: How does a fertility doc has 13 million in his bank account?


If he's mixing the batter himself, he's cut out a lot of the overhead
 
2021-07-30 4:26:18 PM  
5 votes:

whither_apophis: OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?

Do you want a kid whose dad is massive narcissist?


Well, he's a doctor, so...
 
2021-07-30 4:04:29 PM  
5 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


From the Ottowa link...

Barwin, 82, also used the wrong sperm in dozens of cases, leaving children not knowing who their biological fathers are and former patients not knowing whether their sperm was used to conceive other children.

I'm gonna go out on a limb, that if you used the wrong sperm/your own, that it was not random baby, here ya go!
 
2021-07-30 4:01:15 PM  
5 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


Depends - did the donor profile book have only one choice in it?
 
2021-07-30 6:02:01 PM  
4 votes:

Corn_Fed: OneFretAway: OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?

Because it's f*cked up and gross, an ethical violation, they've all been cuckoo'ed into raising this guy's gene pool, and it messes with their relationships with these kids.

Only if they were wanting a designer baby. In which case, it's the couples who are unethical. It only messes with their relationship with the kids if they are complete and total assholes. A baby is a baby is a baby.


I'm sorry but... this is a really dumb take. If this had happened to me, I'd be pissed to, partly on principles, party over the ethics of it, but mostly because he denied these people the choice they made and did something abhorrent instead.
 
2021-07-30 5:03:54 PM  
4 votes:
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2021-07-30 3:04:50 PM  
4 votes:
How much American healthcare coverage will $22.50 and a twinkie get you there, subs?
 
2021-07-30 4:06:57 PM  
3 votes:
My wife and I conceived my daughter through IVF.  Would be devastating to find out she wasn't my biological daughter, but she will always be my daughter.
 
2021-07-30 4:06:46 PM  
3 votes:

lolmao500: How does a fertility doc has 13 million in his bank account?


I haven't looked specifically into how much fertility doctors make. But I know a couple who spent two years using a fertility doctor trying to get pregnant a few years ago. It cost them an absolute fortune. 

What they spent x a couple dozen more couples a year - at the same, or similar price - I can see how a fertility doctor can make some serious bank.

*a couple dozen patients per year being a pretty modest guess.
 
2021-07-30 4:05:55 PM  
3 votes:
I remember that Law & Order episode.

"Arrogant? Arrogant is trying to start your own race of people!"

/rimshot
 
2021-07-30 6:09:30 PM  
2 votes:

Cafe Threads: OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?

Several generations of children in that area well now need DNA tests to make sure they're not marrying their own siblings or cousins.


And Dr shiathead knew that & was fine w/ it. Somehow his ethics got worse over time. I assume it was some kind of fetish for him & w/o DNA knowledge like there is now there would have been a rate of birth defects from consanguination that was higher than the rest of the country, outside the intermarrying cult areas.
 
2021-07-30 4:39:57 PM  
2 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


A random screened donor. You know, one without inheritable genetic defects, for example. Probably someone who got through college and isn't addicted to drugs, eh?
 
2021-07-30 4:11:08 PM  
2 votes:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


Several generations of children in that area well now need DNA tests to make sure they're not marrying their own siblings or cousins.
 
2021-07-30 3:58:10 PM  
2 votes:
biatch, biatch, biatch.

First you wanna get pregnant then you dont. Jeez.
 
2021-07-30 3:55:36 PM  
2 votes:
May subby cross the border with forged vaccination documents, and truly Find Out (tm) how much Canadian fines hurt.
 
2021-07-30 3:54:57 PM  
2 votes:
...yeah, do NOT eat the twinkie...
 
2021-07-30 3:53:48 PM  
2 votes:
I'm offended by that headline, Twinkies are American.
 
2021-07-30 3:52:57 PM  
2 votes:
An empty Twinkie, they got the filling already.
 
2021-07-30 3:18:12 PM  
2 votes:
Is that going to be enough to pay for raising all those children? I doubt it.
 
2021-07-31 12:19:47 AM  
1 vote:
At least twice a year a new article comes out where a fertility clinic doctor gets busted using his own sperm to sire dozens (if not hundreds) of little bastards with unsuspecting women.  This has been going on for decades, now.

What I don't get is how the hell there can still be any unsuspecting women left in the world.  If the news is to be believed, pretty much every woman who's gone a fertility clinic since 1950 is raising the one of the doctor's multitude of brats.

How is it that anyone trusts these places any more?  Or are they just so farking desperate to breed that they just don't care?
 
2021-07-30 8:49:24 PM  
1 vote:

Corn_Fed: Eh, I don't see what the problem is. The couples wanted a baby, he got them a baby. I assume they care about the baby, not the strands of DNA, right? So who cares exactly what sperm did the job?


So let me ask this let's say you're married and you and your wife have a difference of opinion about having a child you insist on a child and she doesn't want to but at some point she acquies yes and she later comes up pregnant and this is a pregnancy you wanted but she really didn't want to but you bullied her into it are you okay if the child is not biologically yours
 
2021-07-30 8:47:26 PM  
1 vote:

OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?


The fact that he impregnates so many different ladies means that wasn't random in the slightest in fact that's the opposite of random.
But you probably meant anonymous donor.
And you might have a point but it seems like something he should have disclosed who knows if people had actually been told they might have consented so he basically raped all those women
 
2021-07-30 7:21:29 PM  
1 vote:

Corn_Fed: Eh, I don't see what the problem is. The couples wanted a baby, he got them a baby. I assume they care about the baby, not the strands of DNA, right? So who cares exactly what sperm did the job?


And that's how you get "The Boys From Brazil".
 
2021-07-30 4:52:32 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: How much American healthcare coverage will $22.50 and a twinkie get you there, subs?


Would have covered my last five hospital stays and I would still have $22.50 and a Twinkie.
 
2021-07-30 4:45:05 PM  
1 vote:
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Bakersfield PD.

Delved into/explored/explained a LOT of these issues.
 
2021-07-30 4:11:33 PM  
1 vote:

Cluckles: OpusSoup: Serious question: I understand this was unethical on his part, but I'm not sure I understand the clients' issue with it. They were expecting a random donor. Just turns out they found out who the donor was. Is that the issue?

Fertility clinics aren't just "hey we want a baby, give me any old shiat you got", most people are going in with the expectation that they will at least make an effort to use one partner's sperm and one partner's eggs. And if that's impossible, then they should be made aware of that. Note that they're not just upset that they're his kids, they're also upset that they now no idea whose kids they are ata ll.

There are many reasons for infertility that can be solved by IVF, it's not just people w/ useless cum where they need a donor.

On top of that, it's a good idea to diversify. You don't want to have a situation where dozens of siblings are out there farking each other completely unaware that they're inbreeding.


Ah, that makes sense. If he was supposed to use a specific sperm provided to him, yeah, that's completely insane and wrong.
 
2021-07-30 4:02:33 PM  
1 vote:
Eh, I don't see what the problem is. The couples wanted a baby, he got them a baby. I assume they care about the baby, not the strands of DNA, right? So who cares exactly what sperm did the job?
 
2021-07-30 3:53:06 PM  
1 vote:
How does a fertility doc has 13 million in his bank account?
 
2021-07-30 3:52:18 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: How much American healthcare coverage will $22.50 and a twinkie get you there, subs?


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