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2021-07-30 2:46:09 PM  
12 votes:
I almost feel guilty that I saw the movie streaming for free.  Shhhh....
 
2021-07-30 2:20:21 PM  
10 votes:

WhippingBoi: While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.


They absolutely have made boatloads.  They just haven't made enough to offset what they've spent.  I think the solution is obvious enough.

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2021-07-31 1:05:05 PM  
2 votes:

WilderKWight: Mugato: As for Lars and Napster, Metallica is (was) a metal band. To act like a ligious asshole was a bad call. Ripley, bad call.
Meanwhile, when Use Your Illision 1&2 came out, Slash encouraged kids to get with a friend and each buy one, copy the other one and trade them.

Courtney Love had it all pretty well figured back then...

https://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_​7/


Well then she should have stuck to being a hooker.
 
2021-07-30 7:21:26 PM  
2 votes:

palelizard: Gonna go with ScarJo on this one. You say you're going to do a theatrical release only and she's due for a cut of those profits then you do a simultaneous digital release (presumably with no cut for her, since it wasn't expected), you breached contract.


Sure. Beach of contact probably happened. I do think she got at least a little hosed. How they rectify that is interesting because I think they should give a chunk of sub money and early access streaming money to ScarJo (and anyone else who has a similar contract on that movie).

But black, white, Chinese, African, Martian, Male, Female, or Other...I think people are biatching because an actor is asking for  more money, not because of sexism, racism, or anything else. (Arguably maybe elitism or anti-elitism specifically)

I don't personally feel like the whining, the tweets, the complaining from fans would be any different with any other MCU support character. Closest comparison might be with Jeremy Renner... Who isn't getting his own movie. But he is getting a show. Is it sexism Hawkeye gets a show not a movie?

I hate that everything is assumed to be an "ism" at this point.
 
2021-07-30 4:28:49 PM  
2 votes:
Any chance of keeping all these stories on the same tab?

No?  Okay, I'll shut up.
 
2021-07-30 2:37:48 PM  
2 votes:
I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.
 
2021-07-31 11:07:33 AM  
1 vote:
As for Lars and Napster, Metallica is (was) a metal band. To act like a ligious asshole was a bad call. Ripley, bad call.
Meanwhile, when Use Your Illision 1&2 came out, Slash encouraged kids to get with a friend and each buy one, copy the other one and trade them.
 
2021-07-31 1:34:40 AM  
1 vote:

palelizard: Quantumbunny: Sure. Beach of contact probably happened. I do think she got at least a little hosed. How they rectify that is interesting because I think they should give a chunk of sub money and early access streaming money to ScarJo (and anyone else who has a similar contract on that movie).

But black, white, Chinese, African, Martian, Male, Female, or Other...I think people are biatching because an actor is asking for  more money, not because of sexism, racism, or anything else. (Arguably maybe elitism or anti-elitism specifically)

I don't personally feel like the whining, the tweets, the complaining from fans would be any different with any other MCU support character. Closest comparison might be with Jeremy Renner... Who isn't getting his own movie. But he is getting a show. Is it sexism Hawkeye gets a show not a movie?

I hate that everything is assumed to be an "ism" at this point.

I don't think there was a Bob Hoskins looking character with a badly chewed cigar at Disney who said "What's a dame gonna do about it? Release the streaming!" but I do think Disney probably wouldn't have pulled this on RDJ, Hemsworth, or Evans, and I'm open to the idea some of that is inherent sexism, just like how women tend to make less than men.

And while I can understand the lack of sympathy for an actor not getting an extra $50M (without agreeing with it), you know the Internet, and there's a non-zero portion of it whose outrage would be the other direction if Disney had done this to a guy who then demanded his due.


Yeah. I have a problem with that other poster simply picking on this as an out of control unfair "ism" accusation.

As you've implied, it's not ALL one thing or another.

It's not that male actors wouldn't ever get similar criticism.  It's that the volume of the complaints is louder and bigger because its a woman, who's things like "whiny" instead of things like "assertive".

She IS getting a decent amount of support.  But is bet if this had happened as recently as maybe 2 or 3 years ago, the narrative would have been much worse for her. She's reaping the benefits of there being a little more unity among people who have had time to internalize some lessons from MeToo.  But the moment Hannity or Carlson or some scumbag like that remembers they hate her more than they hate Disney, they may pile on and get the right on her butt.
 
2021-07-31 12:14:16 AM  
1 vote:

moothemagiccow: WhippingBoi: If Scarlett doesn't win her lawsuit, how many of you are going to quit Disney+ in protest/support?

i have bit torrent, much cheaper than these endless subscriptions


You're probably the first person to ever think of doing that.
 
2021-07-30 11:15:22 PM  
1 vote:

palelizard: Gonna go with ScarJo on this one. You say you're going to do a theatrical release only and she's due for a cut of those profits then you do a simultaneous digital release (presumably with no cut for her, since it wasn't expected), you breached contract.


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2021-07-30 8:20:07 PM  
1 vote:

zepillin: I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less


You sound single
 
2021-07-30 7:46:16 PM  
1 vote:

Quantumbunny: Beach of contact probably happened.


fark yeah get me some beach contact, your honor
 
2021-07-30 7:45:06 PM  
1 vote:

Macfine: mjbok: I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.

So who do you think that 50+ million should have gone to ?
Disney?


i don't care but maybe she meant one of these guys should get it
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2021-07-30 7:43:02 PM  
1 vote:
Well no one asked for my review, but I can certainly say after watching Black Widow was that it was an action movie, and it had a beginning, middle, and end.
 
2021-07-30 3:39:42 PM  
1 vote:

mjbok: Kris_Romm: And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.

I didn't tell her to shutup, I said it was hard to garner sympathy.  Feel the same way about athletes making 20+ million a year saying they are modern day slaves.  Now you'll say it's a racial thing.  I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.


A movie that made nearly $3 BILLION dollars, lead by the guy who's been a part of it for 10 years (in almost half the movies) and essentially kickstarted the entire thing successfully didn't deserve that?

When ROI reaches 10 figures, you've earned some extra pay.
 
2021-07-30 3:33:04 PM  
1 vote:

mjbok: Kris_Romm: And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.

I didn't tell her to shutup, I said it was hard to garner sympathy.  Feel the same way about athletes making 20+ million a year saying they are modern day slaves.  Now you'll say it's a racial thing.  I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.


I get what you're saying, it's a Morlocks vs Eloi thing.
Whoops, sorry, skipped ahead a few generations. Currently it's an "income inequality" thing.

ScarJo might be right, but it's still hard to be sympathetic - like when Metallica was flipping out about Napster. Like, "Oh yeah, they probably DO owe you another $20 million on to throw on top of your pile of many, many other millions - and I'd be willing to chat more with you about it but I'm going to be late for my second job, and if I get fired from that I can't afford FOOD for my children. But gosh, I sure hope you get to add another 12% to your net worth and buy some more yachts or something."
 
2021-07-30 3:32:17 PM  
1 vote:

Kris_Romm: mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.

It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.

And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.


A dude named Jeff Bezos?
 
2021-07-30 3:20:29 PM  
1 vote:

Kris_Romm: mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.

It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.

And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.


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2021-07-30 3:05:49 PM  
1 vote:

lolmao500: WhippingBoi: Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Disney shouldnt spend 300 million on freaking PR to begin with thats just stupid


It's not just PR and marketing... theatres need to be paid, distributors need to be paid, government censors need to be bribed paid and I imagine there's a whole host of other little costs that quickly add up. Not to mention the interest that accrues when a movie is delayed.
 
2021-07-30 2:56:59 PM  
1 vote:

WhippingBoi: Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M


Disney shouldnt spend 300 million on freaking PR to begin with thats just stupid
 
2021-07-30 2:30:46 PM  
1 vote:

zepillin: I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less


We paid to see it on 3D in the theater.  What we got was 2D with tepid popcorn and about 3X what it would have cost to see it from home without 20 minutes of ads for movies we won't see.

Next time we'll watch it on D+.  Unless the IMAX reopens.
 
2021-07-30 2:28:04 PM  
1 vote:

zepillin: I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less


Everyone should be ordering movies.  Gathering up with people is still farking stupid unless you must.  Movie ain't no must.
 
2021-07-30 2:13:13 PM  
1 vote:

LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.


Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.
 
2021-07-30 2:03:49 PM  
1 vote:
"Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.
 
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