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2021-07-30 2:03:49 PM  
"Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.
 
2021-07-30 2:13:13 PM  

LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.


Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.
 
2021-07-30 2:20:21 PM  

WhippingBoi: While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.


They absolutely have made boatloads.  They just haven't made enough to offset what they've spent.  I think the solution is obvious enough.

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2021-07-30 2:21:47 PM  
I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less
 
2021-07-30 2:28:04 PM  

zepillin: I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less


Everyone should be ordering movies.  Gathering up with people is still farking stupid unless you must.  Movie ain't no must.
 
2021-07-30 2:30:46 PM  

zepillin: I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less


We paid to see it on 3D in the theater.  What we got was 2D with tepid popcorn and about 3X what it would have cost to see it from home without 20 minutes of ads for movies we won't see.

Next time we'll watch it on D+.  Unless the IMAX reopens.
 
2021-07-30 2:37:48 PM  
I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.
 
2021-07-30 2:46:09 PM  
I almost feel guilty that I saw the movie streaming for free.  Shhhh....
 
2021-07-30 2:56:59 PM  

WhippingBoi: Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M


Disney shouldnt spend 300 million on freaking PR to begin with thats just stupid
 
2021-07-30 2:58:23 PM  
I don't follow the logic on this. I watched it opening night, at home. There was exactly 0% chance I was going to see it in the theater, and I'm not the only person who feels that way. I can't see the movie having had a better opening week if it had only been in theaters. A lot of us just would have waited for it to drop on streaming before we saw it.

Black Widow's main problem was... they gave her a solo movie years too late -  AFTER they already killed the character. I only mildly wanted to see it, it's my wife who was excited for it. I ended up liking it overall (flawed, but still quite good IMHO), but it really came out a couple years too late.
 
2021-07-30 3:00:03 PM  

lolmao500: WhippingBoi: Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Disney shouldnt spend 300 million on freaking PR to begin with thats just stupid


I bet a lot of the reason they had too was COVID. They'd originally planned to release it last year, but COVID put the kibosh on that. They'd already spent a whole bunch on marketing though. So when they did finally get a release date for it it was like a year later and then they needed to spend more money marketing it for the new release.
 
2021-07-30 3:05:49 PM  

lolmao500: WhippingBoi: Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Disney shouldnt spend 300 million on freaking PR to begin with thats just stupid


It's not just PR and marketing... theatres need to be paid, distributors need to be paid, government censors need to be bribed paid and I imagine there's a whole host of other little costs that quickly add up. Not to mention the interest that accrues when a movie is delayed.
 
2021-07-30 3:08:56 PM  
I saw it on Disney+ (for 4 people) so $30 was a good deal.

I would NOT have gone to the theater to see this.

So they made more off of me than they would have if it was only released theatrically.
 
2021-07-30 3:17:41 PM  

mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.


It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.

And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.
 
2021-07-30 3:20:29 PM  

Kris_Romm: mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.

It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.

And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.


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2021-07-30 3:27:12 PM  

Kris_Romm: And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.


I didn't tell her to shutup, I said it was hard to garner sympathy.  Feel the same way about athletes making 20+ million a year saying they are modern day slaves.  Now you'll say it's a racial thing.  I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.
 
2021-07-30 3:32:17 PM  

Kris_Romm: mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.

It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.

And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.


A dude named Jeff Bezos?
 
2021-07-30 3:33:04 PM  

mjbok: Kris_Romm: And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.

I didn't tell her to shutup, I said it was hard to garner sympathy.  Feel the same way about athletes making 20+ million a year saying they are modern day slaves.  Now you'll say it's a racial thing.  I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.


I get what you're saying, it's a Morlocks vs Eloi thing.
Whoops, sorry, skipped ahead a few generations. Currently it's an "income inequality" thing.

ScarJo might be right, but it's still hard to be sympathetic - like when Metallica was flipping out about Napster. Like, "Oh yeah, they probably DO owe you another $20 million on to throw on top of your pile of many, many other millions - and I'd be willing to chat more with you about it but I'm going to be late for my second job, and if I get fired from that I can't afford FOOD for my children. But gosh, I sure hope you get to add another 12% to your net worth and buy some more yachts or something."
 
2021-07-30 3:33:32 PM  

Kris_Romm: mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.

It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.


This. It's part of a pattern of Disney screwing people out of their money; Johansson is just rich and famous enough to make a big enough deal about it that something MIGHT get done. A precedent needs to get set, and if it takes a money fight to do it, so be it.
 
2021-07-30 3:36:48 PM  
The sad thing is that anyone hoping to see a Black Widow cameo (or more) in upcoming Disney movies can now kiss that dream goodbye.

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2021-07-30 3:39:42 PM  

mjbok: Kris_Romm: And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.

I didn't tell her to shutup, I said it was hard to garner sympathy.  Feel the same way about athletes making 20+ million a year saying they are modern day slaves.  Now you'll say it's a racial thing.  I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.


A movie that made nearly $3 BILLION dollars, lead by the guy who's been a part of it for 10 years (in almost half the movies) and essentially kickstarted the entire thing successfully didn't deserve that?

When ROI reaches 10 figures, you've earned some extra pay.
 
2021-07-30 3:44:51 PM  
It's pretty cut and dried.

Did they breach their contract? It sure sounds like it. If so, you need to pay her.

They could have avoided this by renegotiating, but instead probably figured she would not have the courage to go after them. I would not be surprised if they get away with this 99% of the time without even going to court. Whether she can afford to go up against Disney lawyers in the long term is somewhat moot. This will be really bad PR and they should settle fast.
 
2021-07-30 3:48:29 PM  

LordJiro: Kris_Romm: mjbok: I know Disney, but I find it really hard to find sympathy for someone that was supposed to get an ADDITIONAL 50 million dollars for a couple months work.

It has nothing to do with sympathy.  Disney promised her they'd renegotiate her terms.  Then they didn't.  She's not victimizing them by asking them to honor their promise.

This. It's part of a pattern of Disney screwing people out of their money; Johansson is just rich and famous enough to make a big enough deal about it that something MIGHT get done. A precedent needs to get set, and if it takes a money fight to do it, so be it.


Yes, it has nothing to do with "sympathy". That implies she's playing the victim rather than being a business person asking someone to honor an agreement.

It's the use of that terminology that's the problem. Would someone normally describe a lawsuit over a contract breach in terms of not having sympathy?  This is a case of "what's different here"?  What's different is that for some reason this is being projected as greedy whinging instead of as business.
 
2021-07-30 3:49:58 PM  

WhippingBoi: LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.

Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.


You have to adjust the multiplier for the digital release since Disney keeps 100% of the revenue instead of splitting it with theaters. So $100 million of Disney+ Premiere Access sales is probably equal to $175 to $200 million in theater ticket sales, depending on what the theater's cut is.
 
2021-07-30 3:54:26 PM  

Mad_Radhu: WhippingBoi: LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.

Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.

You have to adjust the multiplier for the digital release since Disney keeps 100% of the revenue instead of splitting it with theaters. So $100 million of Disney+ Premiere Access sales is probably equal to $175 to $200 million in theater ticket sales, depending on what the theater's cut is.


For whatever reason, they only get 85%, not 100% (no idea why). But yeah, that is probably almost straight profit.
 
2021-07-30 3:58:27 PM  

WhippingBoi: The sad thing is that anyone hoping to see a Black Widow cameo (or more) in upcoming Disney movies can now kiss that dream goodbye.

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Anyone dreaming of seeing a Black Widow cameo after Endgame and Black Widow movies needs to fixate on different dreams.
 
2021-07-30 4:06:14 PM  

Superjoe: It's pretty cut and dried.

Did they breach their contract? It sure sounds like it. If so, you need to pay her.

They could have avoided this by renegotiating, but instead probably figured she would not have the courage to go after them. I would not be surprised if they get away with this 99% of the time without even going to court. Whether she can afford to go up against Disney lawyers in the long term is somewhat moot. This will be really bad PR and they should settle fast.


And if same day streaming + theatrical releases keep happening this is probably just the first fight of many that actors are going to have with studios. So it's actually great that an actor is willing to set an early precedent with the biggest player in town.
 
2021-07-30 4:08:14 PM  

lolmao500: WhippingBoi: Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Disney shouldnt spend 300 million on freaking PR to begin with thats just stupid


Disney *charges* 300 million for PR.  That's Hollywood accounting.  Then they get 300 million of PR for other Mouse properties (Marvel Universe, Magic Kingdom rides, licensed Mouse toys).  It is a scary Ouroboros of profit.

If you make a profit, you didn't charge enough for marketing and other "distribution services".
 
2021-07-30 4:14:27 PM  

WhippingBoi: It's not just PR and marketing...  theatres need to be paid


Theaters pay Disney to show their movie.
 
2021-07-30 4:21:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: WhippingBoi: LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.

Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.

You have to adjust the multiplier for the digital release since Disney keeps 100% of the revenue instead of splitting it with theaters. So $100 million of Disney+ Premiere Access sales is probably equal to $175 to $200 million in theater ticket sales, depending on what the theater's cut is.


Fun facts : disney probably makes 90%+ of the first two weeks from theaters and around 50-60% the following weeks. Apparently from all accounts, disney is quite the greedy biatch.
 
2021-07-30 4:28:49 PM  
Any chance of keeping all these stories on the same tab?

No?  Okay, I'll shut up.
 
2021-07-30 4:33:13 PM  

lolmao500: Mad_Radhu: WhippingBoi: LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.

Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.

You have to adjust the multiplier for the digital release since Disney keeps 100% of the revenue instead of splitting it with theaters. So $100 million of Disney+ Premiere Access sales is probably equal to $175 to $200 million in theater ticket sales, depending on what the theater's cut is.

Fun facts : disney probably makes 90%+ of the first two weeks from theaters and around 50-60% the following weeks. Apparently from all accounts, disney is quite the greedy biatch.


I thought it got renegotiated to more of a 50/50ish cut a while back when giving back 90% of the opening weekend grosses was bankrupting theaters. But maybe Disney has put the screws to theaters recently.
 
2021-07-30 5:00:29 PM  

mjbok: I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.


If RDJ wasn't in it, it would have lost more than $50mill.
 
2021-07-30 5:09:04 PM  

Mugato: mjbok: I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.

If RDJ wasn't in it, it would have lost more than $50mill.


THIS times Infinity!
 
2021-07-30 5:49:48 PM  
Gonna go with ScarJo on this one. You say you're going to do a theatrical release only and she's due for a cut of those profits then you do a simultaneous digital release (presumably with no cut for her, since it wasn't expected), you breached contract.
 
2021-07-30 7:21:26 PM  

palelizard: Gonna go with ScarJo on this one. You say you're going to do a theatrical release only and she's due for a cut of those profits then you do a simultaneous digital release (presumably with no cut for her, since it wasn't expected), you breached contract.


Sure. Beach of contact probably happened. I do think she got at least a little hosed. How they rectify that is interesting because I think they should give a chunk of sub money and early access streaming money to ScarJo (and anyone else who has a similar contract on that movie).

But black, white, Chinese, African, Martian, Male, Female, or Other...I think people are biatching because an actor is asking for  more money, not because of sexism, racism, or anything else. (Arguably maybe elitism or anti-elitism specifically)

I don't personally feel like the whining, the tweets, the complaining from fans would be any different with any other MCU support character. Closest comparison might be with Jeremy Renner... Who isn't getting his own movie. But he is getting a show. Is it sexism Hawkeye gets a show not a movie?

I hate that everything is assumed to be an "ism" at this point.
 
2021-07-30 7:24:32 PM  

WhippingBoi: Mad_Radhu: WhippingBoi: LL316: "Then, when things got ugly, the movie began to fail and Johansson's team threatened to litigate, he wanted Disney to fix things with her."

The movie didn't farking fail.  Disney made boatloads off of it, which makes it a success (also it was good).  Many people still aren't ready to go to a theater.

Shooting budget: $200M
Profitability multiplier 2.5X
Worldwide gross required for profitability: $500M

Current worldwide gross: $319M
Proceeds for Disney Premiere: $60-$100M (estimated)
TOTAL GROSS (to date): $359M-$419M

While these figures may increase, Disney absolutely has not "made boatloads" off of it.

You have to adjust the multiplier for the digital release since Disney keeps 100% of the revenue instead of splitting it with theaters. So $100 million of Disney+ Premiere Access sales is probably equal to $175 to $200 million in theater ticket sales, depending on what the theater's cut is.

For whatever reason, they only get 85%, not 100% (no idea why). But yeah, that is probably almost straight profit.


Maybe issues with people buying Disney+ through the various app stores. Don't Apple and Google demand 30% of all in app purchases? Hulu probably gets a cut too.
 
2021-07-30 7:33:03 PM  

mjbok: I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.


So who do you think that 50+ million should have gone to ?
Disney?
 
2021-07-30 7:43:02 PM  
Well no one asked for my review, but I can certainly say after watching Black Widow was that it was an action movie, and it had a beginning, middle, and end.
 
2021-07-30 7:44:36 PM  

Quantumbunny: Sure. Beach of contact probably happened. I do think she got at least a little hosed. How they rectify that is interesting because I think they should give a chunk of sub money and early access streaming money to ScarJo (and anyone else who has a similar contract on that movie).

But black, white, Chinese, African, Martian, Male, Female, or Other...I think people are biatching because an actor is asking for  more money, not because of sexism, racism, or anything else. (Arguably maybe elitism or anti-elitism specifically)

I don't personally feel like the whining, the tweets, the complaining from fans would be any different with any other MCU support character. Closest comparison might be with Jeremy Renner... Who isn't getting his own movie. But he is getting a show. Is it sexism Hawkeye gets a show not a movie?

I hate that everything is assumed to be an "ism" at this point.


I don't think there was a Bob Hoskins looking character with a badly chewed cigar at Disney who said "What's a dame gonna do about it? Release the streaming!" but I do think Disney probably wouldn't have pulled this on RDJ, Hemsworth, or Evans, and I'm open to the idea some of that is inherent sexism, just like how women tend to make less than men.

And while I can understand the lack of sympathy for an actor not getting an extra $50M (without agreeing with it), you know the Internet, and there's a non-zero portion of it whose outrage would be the other direction if Disney had done this to a guy who then demanded his due.

And I think you're right about how they'll settle. It would be the smart play, just say "Oh, well, here's the same points on the net from streaming", only Hollywood has a history of screwing actors on profit. That's why you go for a portion of the gross, never the net.
 
2021-07-30 7:45:06 PM  

Macfine: mjbok: I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.

So who do you think that 50+ million should have gone to ?
Disney?


i don't care but maybe she meant one of these guys should get it
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2021-07-30 7:46:16 PM  

Quantumbunny: Beach of contact probably happened.


fark yeah get me some beach contact, your honor
 
2021-07-30 7:49:36 PM  
If Scarlett doesn't win her lawsuit, how many of you are going to quit Disney+ in protest/support?
 
2021-07-30 7:53:38 PM  

WhippingBoi: If Scarlett doesn't win her lawsuit, how many of you are going to quit Disney+ in protest/support?


I'm guessing exactly zero.

Why, what's your guess?
 
2021-07-30 8:00:44 PM  

skyotter: WhippingBoi: If Scarlett doesn't win her lawsuit, how many of you are going to quit Disney+ in protest/support?

I'm guessing exactly zero.

Why, what's your guess?


Same.
 
2021-07-30 8:20:07 PM  

zepillin: I paid more than twice what I would have paid to watching Black Widow at home as opposed watching it at the theater

She should be making more money because I watched the Disney plus first release, not less


You sound single
 
2021-07-30 8:36:28 PM  

Quantumbunny: palelizard: Gonna go with ScarJo on this one. You say you're going to do a theatrical release only and she's due for a cut of those profits then you do a simultaneous digital release (presumably with no cut for her, since it wasn't expected), you breached contract.

Sure. Beach of contact probably happened. I do think she got at least a little hosed. How they rectify that is interesting because I think they should give a chunk of sub money and early access streaming money to ScarJo (and anyone else who has a similar contract on that movie).

But black, white, Chinese, African, Martian, Male, Female, or Other...I think people are biatching because an actor is asking for  more money, not because of sexism, racism, or anything else. (Arguably maybe elitism or anti-elitism specifically)

I don't personally feel like the whining, the tweets, the complaining from fans would be any different with any other MCU support character. Closest comparison might be with Jeremy Renner... Who isn't getting his own movie. But he is getting a show. Is it sexism Hawkeye gets a show not a movie?

I hate that everything is assumed to be an "ism" at this point.


The flip side of your argument is that Disney kept all that money.

If they are willing to fark a star out of that much money, they will do that to everyone.

This is holding an employer accountable to the contract they agreed to.

How would you like it if your employer farked around with your pay by changing things against the agreement you both signed?

Ignore the dollar amount. Ignore the emotional impact. Look at the facts.
 
2021-07-30 8:55:09 PM  

Kris_Romm: it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.


probably depend on the dude. Tom Hanks, Keanu. Or woman, imagine if they did this to Saint Dolly P.
 
2021-07-30 8:57:24 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mjbok: Kris_Romm: And it also makes me wonder if the zillions of "shaddap ya greedy wrench" type posts on the net would be quite as insistent if she was a dude.

I didn't tell her to shutup, I said it was hard to garner sympathy.  Feel the same way about athletes making 20+ million a year saying they are modern day slaves.  Now you'll say it's a racial thing.  I don't think RDJ deserved 50+ million for Endgame.

A movie that made nearly $3 BILLION dollars, lead by the guy who's been a part of it for 10 years (in almost half the movies) and essentially kickstarted the entire thing successfully didn't deserve that?


No, he doesn't. The movie also doesn't deserve 3 billion dollars.
 
2021-07-30 9:44:26 PM  
Screw the lot of them, I'll wait a few months and watch it at home when D+ doesn't stick a 30.00 price tag on it.
 
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