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2021-07-30 4:21:48 PM  

larunu: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Found the racist

She wrote the article. I'm sorry numbers are hard for you to understand and that facts bother you.

How are the facts "bothering me?"

Because you obviously call anyone that speaks truth you don't like a racist. You probably attack others with misogynist and homophobe all the time too. Sorry that data and numbers hurt your feefees.


You understand I'm not the one who called anybody a racist, right? That was an entirely different poster.
 
2021-07-30 4:25:21 PM  
This is why white people need to stop and film when they are a traffic stop. It's amazing to watch the change in demeanor (usually for the better) when you turn on the cameras.

/just filmed a stop today, so yes, it can be done in a safe and respectful way
 
2021-07-30 4:36:25 PM  

larunu: theflatline: larunu: I'm SHOCKED, shocked, that a black woman would be so disingenuous in her reporting on police bias. There was a .2 difference well below the 1.x Standard Deviation. With blacks it was 3.5 (the middle) and was considered neutral, NOT "disrespectful." With whites it was 3.7.  Of course she wont point this out instead she links to the study 99% of people cant understand. THEN she obviously resorts to pleas to emotion and other garbage. The crazy thing is "The (racist) Root" was actually more truthful regarding this study 2 weeks ago. There would probably be a bigger discrepancy between attractive people and ugly people and definitely between men and women.

I will tell you a story that happened a few months ago.

I go to the local gas station to get a lotto and a four pack.  I am driving a brand new Mazda Cx5.  I happened to be wearing a Colombian team soccer jersey.  Which I do not often wear because it is tight but it is good to wash the car or do yard work in.

I am standing outside and my neighbor(a black guy rolls up on his racing bike) and his wearing the same jersey, I brought him one back a few years ago.  He is getting an energy drink.  We are literally one mile from where we live in the same condos.

There is a white guy with no shirt on panhandling while seated on the sidewalk drinking a 32 oz of beer. Which is illegal.

Cop pulls in and comes over to the black guy and the latino and asks if we are part of some movement cause we are wearing the same shirt.  We laugh say no, just we both happen to have the same shirt.

Then he asks if we are from around here and asks to see our ID's.  Meanwhile the white guy is yelling "search then, they look shady."

Cop sees our ID's tells us we are free to go but he has his eye on is.  But white guy who is loitering and drinking in public while harassing people.  Zilch.

Don't doubt it. But he definitely knows that white guy is a homeless bum. The two POC with nice crap wearing the same sports jersey ar ...


The problem is being unknown to a police officer isn't probable cause or a reason to question someone. They aroused the cops suspicion because they were brown as I doubt white friends would've been stopped and questioned for wearing the same colors.
 
2021-07-30 4:55:12 PM  

larunu: PickleBarrel: Gyrfalcon: This is true.

It is also true that some black people are more likely to be immediately confrontational when stopped by a cop ("What did I do?" vs "Good evening, officer") according to my mom who was often in the passenger seat when her black male companion was pulled over for driving aggressively as he was wont to do.

It is also also true that being confronted by an angry driver isn't an excuse for cops to go immediately into Rambo mode, no matter what the color of the driver may be.

There are people of all races who provoke cops, intentionally or unintentionally, but it's on the cops to not respond to that provocation no matter how irritating the provoker may be.

Makes me wonder how white people would respond to cops if they were constantly harassed, disrespected, brutalized, and murdered by cops.

Makes me wonder.....

Makes me wonder how cops would respond to black people if they were constantly harassed, disrespected, brutalized, and murdered by black people.

Makes me wonder.....

It's crazy that blacks kill cops at about the same disproportionate rate as cops kill blacks. Cops should be more careful when a black person (13% of the population) is as likely to kill you as a white person (70% of the population.) I'll take a 1 in 70 chance of death over a 1 in 13 anyday.


You sure know how to math and statistics.

We get it, you don't like black people.
 
2021-07-30 7:15:30 PM  

xalres: Just fishing for that Contempt of Cop violation to provide the excuse to escalate the response and pile on other charges. You'd be amazed (but not shocked, surely) at how many charges can be brought for a single action.


Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
 
2021-07-30 7:40:57 PM  
Just checked Amazon. Body cameras are ~$100. If you're a minority, I'd say it was a good investment to wear one while driving. You can inform a cop you're wearing it as soon as they pull you over so that the recording is legal to use in court. They may even change their approach when you let them know they are being recorded.
 
2021-07-30 8:16:04 PM  

dkulprit: larunu: PickleBarrel: Gyrfalcon: This is true.

It is also true that some black people are more likely to be immediately confrontational when stopped by a cop ("What did I do?" vs "Good evening, officer") according to my mom who was often in the passenger seat when her black male companion was pulled over for driving aggressively as he was wont to do.

It is also also true that being confronted by an angry driver isn't an excuse for cops to go immediately into Rambo mode, no matter what the color of the driver may be.

There are people of all races who provoke cops, intentionally or unintentionally, but it's on the cops to not respond to that provocation no matter how irritating the provoker may be.

Makes me wonder how white people would respond to cops if they were constantly harassed, disrespected, brutalized, and murdered by cops.

Makes me wonder.....

Makes me wonder how cops would respond to black people if they were constantly harassed, disrespected, brutalized, and murdered by black people.

Makes me wonder.....

It's crazy that blacks kill cops at about the same disproportionate rate as cops kill blacks. Cops should be more careful when a black person (13% of the population) is as likely to kill you as a white person (70% of the population.) I'll take a 1 in 70 chance of death over a 1 in 13 anyday.

You sure know how to math and statistics.

We get it, you don't like black people.


We get it, you don't like facts and data.

You are like a RW anti-covid-vaxer. The numbers and science don't matter because it's "your truth." Maybe you should go for a bike ride in ISIS territory to prove all people are good if you just give them a chance.
 
2021-07-30 8:37:49 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: xalres: Just fishing for that Contempt of Cop violation to provide the excuse to escalate the response and pile on other charges. You'd be amazed (but not shocked, surely) at how many charges can be brought for a single action.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.


That is why instead of acting the fool like so many people, you exercise your rights instead of ignorantly screaming about them. #1 is record everything if you can, then STFU if you can. "Am I free to go? I do not consent to the search of myself or my property. I want my lawyer." Instead people want to fight the cops in the streets and screw themselves instead of fighting in court were they are safer and can sue for civil rights violations
 
2021-07-30 8:48:26 PM  
It has become an unwinnable game of oneupsmanship and "who da man" on the part of blacks, especially black men, although who can blame them at this point. If they sit quietly and do nothing: Cops treat them like shiat, at the cost of feeling like, you know, men. If they stand up for themselves, cops treat them like shiat, with one extra for daring to stand up for their rights.

Easy enough for me, as a middle-aged white woman who can talk cop to say "Oh, just calm down, it's just a ticket, you can be polite for five minutes," but I don't have to be polite and take it every minute of every single day.

I might say "Pick your battles," but I'd rather say to the COPS, "Look, you already won this battle. You have the gun and the badge and the ability to write the ticket. If the man needs to mouth off to you to regain some of the pride society has taken from him, it's nothing out of YOUR day but five extra minutes. Write the ticket and get back in your cruiser."

And I've been behind the badge, so I know cops put up with a lot of shiat. Being disrespected at a traffic stop is very low on my outrage meter.
 
2021-07-31 3:04:13 AM  
We've known this for a long time.

Black Parents Explain How to Deal with the Police | Cut
Youtube coryt8IZ-DE
 
2021-07-31 3:10:39 AM  

Gordon Bennett: We've known this for a long time.

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And yet with all this fake propaganda none of them listen. Now "the talk" is "Scream 'i cant breath' while continuing to resist arrest in hopes of getting a payday."
 
2021-07-31 8:13:19 AM  

NotARocketScientist: Just checked Amazon. Body cameras are ~$100. If you're a minority, I'd say it was a good investment to wear one while driving. You can inform a cop you're wearing it as soon as they pull you over so that the recording is legal to use in court. They may even change their approach when you let them know they are being recorded.


Apparently the new appraoch is shining the collapsed star they are issues as a flashlight directly into your camera lens and playing Taylor Swift on their phone until you stop recording.
 
2021-07-31 8:17:20 AM  
Oh, and at a certain point, I don't give a wet fart who "provokes" cops.  I've worked customer service.  Fark ALL the way off with that.  Cops are "professionals", and part of being a professional is dealing with the fact that people are almost always pissed at you for no good reason, and occasionally pissed at you for very good reasons.  Suck it up, buttercup.

Yes.  Every time.  And if you fail to suck it up, you aren't a professional and I want you the fark off my god damned streets you nightmare human.
 
2021-07-31 12:20:50 PM  

larunu: dkulprit: larunu: PickleBarrel: Gyrfalcon: This is true.

It is also true that some black people are more likely to be immediately confrontational when stopped by a cop ("What did I do?" vs "Good evening, officer") according to my mom who was often in the passenger seat when her black male companion was pulled over for driving aggressively as he was wont to do.

It is also also true that being confronted by an angry driver isn't an excuse for cops to go immediately into Rambo mode, no matter what the color of the driver may be.

There are people of all races who provoke cops, intentionally or unintentionally, but it's on the cops to not respond to that provocation no matter how irritating the provoker may be.

Makes me wonder how white people would respond to cops if they were constantly harassed, disrespected, brutalized, and murdered by cops.

Makes me wonder.....

Makes me wonder how cops would respond to black people if they were constantly harassed, disrespected, brutalized, and murdered by black people.

Makes me wonder.....

It's crazy that blacks kill cops at about the same disproportionate rate as cops kill blacks. Cops should be more careful when a black person (13% of the population) is as likely to kill you as a white person (70% of the population.) I'll take a 1 in 70 chance of death over a 1 in 13 anyday.

You sure know how to math and statistics.

We get it, you don't like black people.

We get it, you don't like facts and data.

You are like a RW anti-covid-vaxer. The numbers and science don't matter because it's "your truth." Maybe you should go for a bike ride in ISIS territory to prove all people are good if you just give them a chance.


Ooh sick burn.

As I said, you don't understand probabilities and or math.

I'm going to dumb this down for quite a bit for you.  It's your "data" after all.


If white people and black are equally as likely to comitt violence against you, but black people on make up 13% of the population and white people make up 70% of the population by the simple fact by probability, you're interacting with white people more often which puts your probability of running into the 1 out of 70 than the 1 on 13.

That's not taking into account a lot of variables such as:
-violence committed by black people is usually committed against other black people.
-the violence is isolated to specific areas typically.

-thats not how farking probabilities work.

1 in 13 and 1 in 70 doesn't mean that 1 in 13 or 1 in 70 people are killers.

Just like if your chances of winning the lottery are 1 in 125,000,000 doesn't mean if you were to buy 125 million lottery tickets you'd be guaranteed to win.
 
2021-07-31 2:45:35 PM  

dkulprit: If white people and black are equally as likely to comitt violence against you, but black people on make up 13% of the population and white people make up 70% of the population by the simple fact by probability, you're interacting with white people more often which puts your probability of running into the 1 out of 70 than the 1 on 13.

That's not taking into account a lot of variables such as:
-violence committed by black people is usually committed against other black people.
-the violence is isolated to specific areas typically.

-thats not how farking probabilities work.

1 in 13 and 1 in 70 doesn't mean that 1 in 13 or 1 in 70 people are killers.

Just like if your chances of winning the lottery are 1 in 125,000,000 doesn't mean if you were to buy 125 million lottery tickets you'd be guaranteed to win.


It's actually worse. When the race of the offender was known, 55.9 percent were Black or African American, 41.1 percent were White, and 3.0 percent were of other races. Of all homicide whites account for 8% of black  homicides, blacks account for 15% or white homicides.  https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/​2​019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages​/expanded-homicide

So a black person is more likely to commit homicide than a white person and is twice as likely to kill a white person as a white person is to kill a black person. But you did get one thing right ~85% of all homicides are intraracial.
 
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