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(Dezeen)   Los Angeles built a 232 apartment complex for the homeless out of shipping containers   (dezeen.com) divider line
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2021-07-30 7:50:13 AM  
Are they going to name it "THUNDERDOME"?
 
2021-07-30 7:53:05 AM  
They look good. Excellent idea with the shipping containers. That way when one is lit on fire by one of its guests you can simply lock the door and suffocate the fire.

I'm glad we got pics of these before they're ransacked.
 
2021-07-30 7:57:19 AM  
And because of NIMBY, the homes are constructed next to two sets of rail tracks.
 
2021-07-30 8:09:44 AM  
Does anyone else get a prison yard vibe from that place?
 
2021-07-30 8:11:25 AM  
See? Cyberpunk 2077 got some things right.

No, really. The amount of shipping container homes was incredible. Not exactly stellar decor, but damn there were a lot of them.
 
2021-07-30 8:25:11 AM  

Ambivalence: Does anyone else get a prison yard vibe from that place?


hell, 15241 doe that and charges thousands in property taxes as well.
 
2021-07-30 9:13:52 AM  
Do they serve them muffin stumps for breakfast?
 
2021-07-30 9:44:54 AM  

tfresh: They look good. Excellent idea with the shipping containers. That way when one is lit on fire by one of its guests you can simply lock the door and suffocate the fire.

I'm glad we got pics of these before they're ransacked.


Whereas you are such a gift to society.
 
2021-07-30 9:58:36 AM  

Ambivalence: Does anyone else get a prison yard vibe from that place?


Not really, no. It's not the Ritz, but they aren't crap either.
 
2021-07-30 10:03:53 AM  
Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.
 
2021-07-30 10:12:11 AM  

Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.


That's about 1.5-2x national average.  DNRTFA, so if the land was donated, that figure might be high, but if land cost was figured in, it's probably not insane.
 
2021-07-30 10:13:27 AM  
That's great! Where are they shipping them to?
 
2021-07-30 10:25:14 AM  

500 Days of Summer Camp: That's great! Where are they shipping them to?


Best to fill all of them first before discussing that.
 
2021-07-30 10:31:52 AM  

500 Days of Summer Camp: That's great! Where are they shipping them to?


Since we are talking about LA, probably San Francisco.
 
2021-07-30 10:33:57 AM  

Destructor: Ambivalence: Does anyone else get a prison yard vibe from that place?

Not really, no. It's not the Ritz, but they aren't crap either.


I mean the color (orange) and the stacking and the tall fence around it.
 
2021-07-30 11:00:53 AM  
You know what else we could do with shipping containers?

Ship things.  There's a massive shortage of them right now causing many delays.  I get repurposing them back when they seemed to be plentiful but right now they aren't.
 
2021-07-30 11:02:13 AM  

Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.


How dare they build something that costs much less than the US median home price of $350K.
 
2021-07-30 11:04:37 AM  
The comments at the end of the article are spot on...232 units costing 57 million...@1,820 per square foot a 2,000sq ft home would cost 3.6 million.
 
2021-07-30 11:09:30 AM  
Once they're in, weld the doors shut and push the containers into the ocean.
Rebuild and repeat.

In 30 years when there's no more food dig them up for some delicious fermented canned human.
 
2021-07-30 11:11:03 AM  
Shipping containers are one of the worst things you can build a house with.
 
2021-07-30 11:24:23 AM  

Pinche Mateo: Are they going to name it "THUNDERDOME"?


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2021-07-30 11:27:51 AM  
Why not just give them homes? Why pack them in crates?

It's be so nice if we treated the needy like actual human beings deserving of dignity for once.
 
2021-07-30 11:34:44 AM  
Sadly, each unit was immediately resold for $10 million dollars each due to the current shipping container shortage.
 
2021-07-30 11:42:11 AM  

austerity101: Why not just give them homes? Why pack them in crates?

It's be so nice if we treated the needy like actual human beings deserving of dignity for once.


And precisely how much money did you personally donate last year to make that happen. None? Thought so. Before you start blaming everyone else, look in the mirror.
 
2021-07-30 11:45:36 AM  
Think of all the time spent, effort, the favors called in, pleas for donations, hoops scores of people jumped through, just to get 232 units built.  60,000 homeless in the city.  It's barely a dent, and another 232 homeless will arise within a week.

The thinking needs to be bigger on this issue.
 
2021-07-30 11:48:02 AM  

Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.


In California, permits, impact, and development for a new house can easily cost $120k+, depending on locality.

In Fremont, they total nearly $160,000 on the $850,000 median value of a single-family home.
 
2021-07-30 11:49:00 AM  

Badmoodman: And because of NIMBY, the homes are constructed next to two sets of rail tracks.


NIMBY's an issue, but it's a city project. They're probably just looking for the cheapest land they could find that still does the job.
 
2021-07-30 11:56:54 AM  

Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.


NYC and SF would kill for affordable housing costs per unit that low
 
2021-07-30 11:58:14 AM  
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They're nice but I'm sure their residents will spend most of their time in OASIS.
 
2021-07-30 11:59:07 AM  
The average below market cost per unit in CA is $385k. In SF it's $650k.

https://www.bayareacouncil.org/uncateg​orized/new-data-highlights-astronomica​l-costs-for-building-affordable-housin​g/#:~:text=At%20%24737%2C417%20per%20u​nit%2C%20San,this%20holds%20true%20in%​202019.
 
2021-07-30 12:49:42 PM  

jaytkay: Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.

How dare they build something that costs much less than the US median home price of $350K.


The average home in the US is a lot larger than 125 sq feet
 
2021-07-30 12:55:32 PM  
Oh! I saw that when I was on the light rail train last weekend! I did wonder what that was. It's right in between Union Station and Chinatown. Looked brand new, had security fences, didn't seem that anyone had moved in yet.

/"Forget it, Jake"
 
2021-07-30 1:22:30 PM  
A shortage of shipping containers worldwide is a large part of the reason there are so many product shortages post-Covid.  This only makes the problem worse.
 
2021-07-30 1:30:36 PM  

tfresh: They look good. Excellent idea with the shipping containers. That way when one is lit on fire by one of its guests you can simply lock the door and suffocate the fire.

I'm glad we got pics of these before they're ransacked.


The murcan dream is still alive!!
 
2021-07-30 1:39:08 PM  

jaytkay: Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.

How dare they build something that costs much less than the US median home price of $350K.


You can buy already fabricated container homes for $30-50k. Far less if you go overseas.
 
2021-07-30 1:41:25 PM  
Err the ones from overseas usually need to be put together or fabricated to some degree.
 
2021-07-30 2:07:47 PM  

Barfmaker: tfresh: They look good. Excellent idea with the shipping containers. That way when one is lit on fire by one of its guests you can simply lock the door and suffocate the fire.

I'm glad we got pics of these before they're ransacked.

Whereas you are such a gift to society.


You're damned right I am.
 
2021-07-30 2:31:11 PM  

sharbear: The comments at the end of the article are spot on...232 units costing 57 million...@1,820 per square foot a 2,000sq ft home would cost 3.6 million.


Getting a shipping container up to code is probably more expensive than building a tiny house that size to code from the ground up.

Probably cost more than 3.6 M to build a 2k sq. ft. house than can hold 232 folks legally too.
 
2021-07-30 4:06:16 PM  
Those look nice. Maybe even nicer than the ones that the hotel that I stayed at in London was made out of.
 
2021-07-30 4:09:08 PM  

Beta Tested: Shipping containers are one of the worst things you can build a house with.


Only if someone is paying to live there. Otherwise, roof over your head.
 
2021-07-30 4:12:08 PM  

Earthen: You know what else we could do with shipping containers?

Ship things.  There's a massive shortage of them right now causing many delays.  I get repurposing them back when they seemed to be plentiful but right now they aren't.


Seems like last I heard there were so many ships waiting to come into US ports that the Coast Guard is telling them to turn back. That's not a lack of supply, it's a lack of port capacity.
 
2021-07-30 4:27:16 PM  

austerity101: Why not just give them homes? Why pack them in crates?

It's be so nice if we treated the needy like actual human beings deserving of dignity for once.


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This is nicer than the apartment I lived in before I bought my house.
 
2021-07-30 4:29:56 PM  

Earthen: You know what else we could do with shipping containers?

Ship things.  There's a massive shortage of them right now causing many delays.  I get repurposing them back when they seemed to be plentiful but right now they aren't.


It is illegal in the state of California to reuse a shipping container for housing.  Only brand new ones can be used.  The ones used in this project are clearly brand new as to meet said law.  This does reduce the savings of this sort of construction somewhat.
 
2021-07-30 4:31:44 PM  

karl2025: Badmoodman: And because of NIMBY, the homes are constructed next to two sets of rail tracks.

NIMBY's an issue, but it's a city project. They're probably just looking for the cheapest land they could find that still does the job.


Looks like the city already owned this parcel.  Plus, it's oddly shaped and in an industrial area by train tracks.  Definitely not prime real estate, although fairly close to downtown.
 
2021-07-30 4:37:41 PM  

Arkanaut: Earthen: You know what else we could do with shipping containers?

Ship things.  There's a massive shortage of them right now causing many delays.  I get repurposing them back when they seemed to be plentiful but right now they aren't.

Seems like last I heard there were so many ships waiting to come into US ports that the Coast Guard is telling them to turn back. That's not a lack of supply, it's a lack of port capacity.


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keeps ships waiting for as long as a week or more. Currently there are four out front, two have been anchored for 4 days. They stink, they are noisy at all hours of the day and night, they pump their bilges at 3:30 am which is a deep rumble you can't feel. These containers are all full of Christmas crap. The trade balance and Covid was reflected by the number of ships. But basically, the port is understaffed.
 
2021-07-30 6:45:11 PM  

Geotpf: austerity101: Why not just give them homes? Why pack them in crates?

It's be so nice if we treated the needy like actual human beings deserving of dignity for once.

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This is nicer than the apartment I lived in before I bought my house.


TFA says sink and shower... doesn't mention toilet, or show one...
 
2021-07-30 6:54:03 PM  

TTFK: A shortage of shipping containers worldwide is a large part of the reason there are so many product shortages post-Covid.  This only makes the problem worse.


A few hundred shipping containers is insignificant. One big ship carries tens of thousands.
 
2021-07-30 6:54:44 PM  

puffy999: jaytkay: Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.

How dare they build something that costs much less than the US median home price of $350K.

You can buy already fabricated container homes for $30-50k. Far less if you go overseas.


That doesn't include land
 
2021-07-30 7:08:27 PM  

puffy999: jaytkay: Destructor: Of course, the entire thing cost $57m for 272 units... Which means each unit cost is hilariously high at $245,689.

But, it's California. So, I'm sure this is both normal and fine.

How dare they build something that costs much less than the US median home price of $350K.

You can buy already fabricated container homes for $30-50k. Far less if you go overseas.


How would they get those here again??
Oh wait...
 
2021-07-30 9:46:17 PM  
The DoD spent $2b today.
Just today.
They'll spend another $2b tomorrow.
 
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