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(Navy Times)   I wonder what ever happened to the investigation of the USS Bonhomme Richard fire. Oh, my   (navytimes.com) divider line
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2021-07-29 11:41:37 PM  
19 votes:

Carter Pewterschmidt: That could hurt his career prospects. The navy tens to be a bit funny about totally destroying one of their huge ships.


Well, at least he's got a bright future in writing. How to Burn Huge Ships will be the bestselling new sequel to How to Avoid Huge Ships.
 
2021-07-29 11:14:18 PM  
19 votes:
The USS Miami was 700m.  The Bonhomme Richard restitution is probably a billion and a half at least.  I am sure after a lengthy sentence the sailor will be able to make a good portion of that up....
 
2021-07-29 7:40:22 PM  
19 votes:

Carter Pewterschmidt: That could hurt his career prospects. The navy tens to be a bit funny about totally destroying one of their huge ships.


The last time someone burned navy ships, we dropped nuclear weapons on them..just sayin.
 
2021-07-29 11:43:29 PM  
15 votes:
Deathfrogg: ... Or was it some dumbass 19 year old kid flicking a butt into a bad corner?


My eyesight is diminishing. I had to read that a few times before I saw the word "flicking" correctly.
 
2021-07-29 11:28:18 PM  
15 votes:
Seamen apprentice was the worst TV spin-off ever.
 
2021-07-29 11:39:28 PM  
12 votes:

ChrisDe: Seamen apprentice was the worst TV spin-off ever.


that movie cost me twelve bucks.
 
2021-07-29 11:17:04 PM  
12 votes:
"Bonhomme"?

Isn't that French for pretty boy"?
 
2021-07-29 11:13:54 PM  
12 votes:

Carter Pewterschmidt: That could hurt his career prospects. The navy tens to be a bit funny about totally destroying one of their huge ships.


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2021-07-30 1:04:44 AM  
11 votes:

gameshowhost: erik-k: One of the things I never quite got my head around regarding the destruction of the Bomhomme...

One generally views navy ships as being, well, pretty much gigantic ass hunks of mostly steel.

Other than the fuel tanks, what was burning?

god damn did i just go into a bigass meme rabbithole


... might help if i post the meme...

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2021-07-29 11:42:16 PM  
9 votes:
"Congratulations, Ensign Johnson! You're now the sole, unarmed diplomat to Somalia..."
 
2021-07-29 11:24:59 PM  
8 votes:
How the hell could this happen? If the ship was this fragile to be destroyed at dock, what would happen in a battle? An older ship like the Hornet took multiple bombs, torpedoes, and kamikaze attacks before going down.
 
2021-07-29 11:07:42 PM  
8 votes:
Before I clicked, I thought "was that the one McCain blew up?"

Wrong ship.
 
2021-07-30 12:08:15 AM  
7 votes:

Loucifer: Deathfrogg: ... Or was it some dumbass 19 year old kid flicking a butt into a bad corner?


My eyesight is diminishing. I had to read that a few times before I saw the word "flicking" correctly.


Well, it is the Navy.
 
2021-07-29 11:14:37 PM  
7 votes:

kozlo: Before I clicked, I thought "was that the one McCain blew up?"

Wrong ship.


And only a 53 year difference.
 
2021-07-29 11:13:03 PM  
7 votes:

kozlo: I thought "was that the one McCain blew up?"


McCain blew up?
 
2021-07-29 11:21:59 PM  
6 votes:

maddan: Carter Pewterschmidt: That could hurt his career prospects. The navy tens to be a bit funny about totally destroying one of their huge ships.

The last time someone burned navy ships, we dropped nuclear weapons on them..just sayin.


Umm. I think you skipped a burning or 2.
 
2021-07-29 11:18:50 PM  
6 votes:

Carter Pewterschmidt: That could hurt his career prospects. The navy tens to be a bit funny about totally destroying one of their huge ships.


Nah, they had pardons for the republicans who burned a submarine, no doubt a KKK member lit the match.
 
2021-07-29 11:27:45 PM  
5 votes:

Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: "Bonhomme"?

Isn't that French for pretty boy"?


I am to lazy to google "Bonhomme" but the ships nickname is (was) The Boney Dick.
 
2021-07-29 11:54:15 PM  
4 votes:

King Something: princhester: johnny_vegas:

The primary charge is aggravated arson

I appreciate that but often the primary charge is trumped up nonsense designed just to pressure the defendant to plead to the secondary charges.

You're thinking of civilian courts. Seaman Apprentice Flatiron is being tried in a military court.


Military lawyers will also seek to pile on charges to facilitate a plea deal but from the cheap seats here I don't see why they would for this case.
 
2021-07-30 12:08:04 AM  
3 votes:
johnny_vegas:Military lawyers will also seek to pile on charges to facilitate a plea deal but from the cheap seats here I don't see why they would for this case.

Seriously?  I can think of two, straight off.

Firstly, for exactly the reason you state - to facilitate a plea deal in circumstances where the negligence of the seaman involved might not be as clear-cut as the military brass are trying to suggest.

Secondly, for the reason stated in my Boobies - it would be damn embarrassing for the navy that their billion dollar vessel could get burnt to a crisp by the negligence of a junior seaman.  If they can get a headline saying "seaman charged with arson" that allows them to deflect some of the blame.

This isn't my first rodeo.  I'm a lawyer specializing in this sort of thing.  I've seen some shiat.  I was once involved in a case where the authorities charged a ship's master with failing to report an incident, and issued a press release accordingly, to take the heat off themselves for failing to respond to the incident appropriately.  It puzzled the hell out of us because we all knew that the incident had been reported in writing immediately.  When we pressed for details it turns out that the charge was based on the fact that the report contained a completely irrelevant typo and therefore was not strictly in the form required by relevant legislation.  People under political pressure behave like assholes.  Don't trust them for a minute.
 
2021-07-29 11:56:23 PM  
3 votes:

ChrisDe: Seamen apprentice was the worst TV spin-off ever.


They thought they'd make money hand over fist, but they pulled a boner and went limp on the bottom line. Just too much innuendo in a U-boat.
 
2021-07-29 11:47:54 PM  
3 votes:
johnny_vegas:

The primary charge is aggravated arson

I appreciate that but often the primary charge is trumped up nonsense designed just to pressure the defendant to plead to the secondary charges.
 
2021-07-29 11:22:37 PM  
3 votes:
The only non-spam comment is "Is his name is [sic] Muhammad?" SMH.
 
2021-07-29 6:50:41 PM  
3 votes:
That could hurt his career prospects. The navy tens to be a bit funny about totally destroying one of their huge ships.
 
2021-07-30 9:05:20 AM  
2 votes:

Redh8t: This is reminiscent of the USS Miami fire, when a civilian sandblaster/painter set a bunch of rags on fire because he wanted to go home.
He received a 17 year prison sentence and was ordered to pay $400 million in restitution.
If that's what a civilian gets as punishment, can't imagine what the navy is going to do with an enlisted person.


It makes me immediately think whether the Navy has found a scapegoat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iow​a​_turret_explosion
 
2021-07-30 2:08:09 AM  
2 votes:
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2021-07-30 1:29:15 AM  
2 votes:

princhester: King Something: princhester: johnny_vegas:

You're thinking of civilian courts. Seaman Apprentice Flatiron is being tried in a military court.

How specifically does that make a difference?  I'm not being rhetorical, I'd be genuinely interested.

I guess I've seen too much of this shiat to ever have confidence that headline charges have anything solid behind them.


Because everyone knows military courts can't handle the truth!
 
2021-07-30 12:59:08 AM  
2 votes:

BolloxReader: Pointy Tail of Satan: How the hell could this happen? If the ship was this fragile to be destroyed at dock, what would happen in a battle? An older ship like the Hornet took multiple bombs, torpedoes, and kamikaze attacks before going down.

At dock they shut down everything. No fire control, fire doors open wide, and lots of flammable stuff lying around on pallets as they refurbish the ship. And almost nobody on board to fight a fire if it breaks out. Going through maintenance is the most dangerous time for a ship


I understand, but I kind of feel like they should be using a more fire resistant paint, if such a thing exist, if it burned this easy even empty.
 
2021-07-30 12:35:22 AM  
2 votes:

Deathfrogg: Article doesn't say what the cause of the fire was. Was it deliberately set? Or was it some dumbass 19 year old kid flicking a butt into a bad corner?


Yeah, it's a real mystery when they say "The sailor has been charged with aggravated arson and..."

We may need Rick Romero to get to the bottom of this one.
 
2021-07-30 12:13:04 AM  
2 votes:

princhester: johnny_vegas:Military lawyers will also seek to pile on charges to facilitate a plea deal but from the cheap seats here I don't see why they would for this case.

Seriously?  I can think of two, straight off.

Firstly, for exactly the reason you state - to facilitate a plea deal in circumstances where the negligence of the seaman involved might not be as clear-cut as the military brass are trying to suggest.

Secondly, for the reason stated in my Boobies - it would be damn embarrassing for the navy that their billion dollar vessel could get burnt to a crisp by the negligence of a junior seaman.  If they can get a headline saying "seaman charged with arson" that allows them to deflect some of the blame.

This isn't my first rodeo.  I'm a lawyer specializing in this sort of thing.  I've seen some shiat.  I was once involved in a case where the authorities charged a ship's master with failing to report an incident, and issued a press release accordingly, to take the heat off themselves for failing to respond to the incident appropriately.  It puzzled the hell out of us because we all knew that the incident had been reported in writing immediately.  When we pressed for details it turns out that the charge was based on the fact that the report contained a completely irrelevant typo and therefore was not strictly in the form required by relevant legislation.  People under political pressure behave like assholes.  Don't trust them for a minute.


*shrug* not my first rodeo either and while you may be right, I think there is more to it than negligence being blown up to arson.
Speaking of embarrassing, this issue was put to bed and (mostly) forgotten so why bring it back up into the national consciousness again just to railroad an E-2?
 
2021-07-29 11:32:52 PM  
2 votes:

jim32rr: Redh8t: This is reminiscent of the USS Miami fire, when a civilian sandblaster/painter set a bunch of rags on fire because he wanted to go home.
He received a 17 year prison sentence and was ordered to pay $400 million in restitution.
If that's what a civilian gets as punishment, can't imagine what the navy is going to do with an enlisted person.

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Meanwhile Northrop oopsie poopsies an extra 10 billion a year on their contracts.
 
2021-07-29 11:16:57 PM  
2 votes:
One of the things I never quite got my head around regarding the destruction of the Bomhomme...

One generally views navy ships as being, well, pretty much gigantic ass hunks of mostly steel.

Other than the fuel tanks, what was burning?
 
2021-07-29 6:50:16 PM  
2 votes:

AirForceVet: Oh my. Someone's in deep shiat.


Someone's about to Find Out, I'd say.
 
2021-07-30 2:53:26 PM  
1 vote:

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: johnny_vegas: You may be waiting a long time.  Im not sure his defense counsel would be too jazzed with that approach.

Heh - kinda depends on what the Court says.  Remember we're talking UCMJ here, not a civilized code of law.  I kinda doubt it though, honestly.  Conditions just don't exist that allow the DoJ to pull that kind of crap any more.  Someone would talk, more than likely a bunch of someones.  For one docked ship with a maintenance crew on it?  Not exactly time to go all Tom Clancy novel as a rule


DoJ?  FUAC - DoD
 
2021-07-30 11:01:53 AM  
1 vote:

AtlanticCoast63: I'm pretty sure that there isn't a single soul in the upper echelons of the USN who remembers- or for that matter, understands - how badly they screwed that up.


I can't wait to hear how they probably threatened and harassed this guy for months in an investigation and then probably made him take polygraph exams that they used to bludgeon him over the head until he made some innocuous statement of regret that they used as a "confession."
 
2021-07-30 8:33:28 AM  
1 vote:
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2021-07-30 7:59:54 AM  
1 vote:

erik-k: One of the things I never quite got my head around regarding the destruction of the Bomhomme...

One generally views navy ships as being, well, pretty much gigantic ass hunks of mostly steel.

Other than the fuel tanks, what was burning?


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2021-07-30 7:42:54 AM  
1 vote:
Guy sounds like more of a Richard than a Bonhomme
 
2021-07-30 7:36:22 AM  
1 vote:

AirForceVet: Oh my. Someone's in deep shiat.


Be spending a lot of time on the poop deck.
 
2021-07-30 2:48:33 AM  
1 vote:

rickythepenguin: *ouch*

a Seaman Apprentice?  That is, E-2.  the second lowest (E-1 being the lowest) paygrade.  He's probably under two years of service.  And even if he isn't, the *entire* Armed Forces tops out E-2 pay at $2,001 per month.  There aren't any (hopefully) 11yr, 15yr, 19yr E-2s in the service (but one never knows).

https://militarybenefits.info/2021-mil​itary-pay-charts/

gonna take a long, long, lllllllllongggggggg farking time to pay that off.


See? This is why we need to raise the minimum wage.
 
2021-07-30 2:29:33 AM  
1 vote:

King Something: princhester: johnny_vegas:

The primary charge is aggravated arson

I appreciate that but often the primary charge is trumped up nonsense designed just to pressure the defendant to plead to the secondary charges.

You're thinking of civilian courts. Seaman Apprentice Flatiron is being tried in a military court.


Is the flag fringed?
 
2021-07-30 2:13:52 AM  
1 vote:

Trik: What kind of sentence is this young seaman looking at if convicted?
Destroying what I guess is a multi-billion dollar ship...


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Life penal servitude in a fast food joint.
 
2021-07-30 12:37:13 AM  
1 vote:
Maybe he did it to Stop the Steal.
Then it would be OK.
 
2021-07-30 12:05:14 AM  
1 vote:
Is keel hauling still an acceptable form of punishment? If not it should be.
 
2021-07-30 12:04:34 AM  
1 vote:

princhester: King Something: princhester: johnny_vegas:

You're thinking of civilian courts. Seaman Apprentice Flatiron is being tried in a military court.

How specifically does that make a difference?  I'm not being rhetorical, I'd be genuinely interested.

I guess I've seen too much of this shiat to ever have confidence that headline charges have anything solid behind them.


For military justice anyway, at this stage the prosecutor needs to be able to demonstrate probable cause to a military judge...so much lower than reasonable doubt required to convict later
 
2021-07-29 11:57:56 PM  
1 vote:

King Something: princhester: johnny_vegas:

You're thinking of civilian courts. Seaman Apprentice Flatiron is being tried in a military court.


How specifically does that make a difference?  I'm not being rhetorical, I'd be genuinely interested.

I guess I've seen too much of this shiat to ever have confidence that headline charges have anything solid behind them.
 
2021-07-29 11:55:04 PM  
1 vote:

erik-k: They know that obviously an enlisted rando does not have four hundred million dollars lying round.


Just want to interject that I love the word "rando" has entered the English language. I forget when I heard it first, but it is a great word.
 
2021-07-29 11:51:25 PM  
1 vote:

princhester: johnny_vegas:

The primary charge is aggravated arson

I appreciate that but often the primary charge is trumped up nonsense designed just to pressure the defendant to plead to the secondary charges.


Yep, true they will charge him(?) with anything they think they can make stick but I seriously doubt they would go down this path for negligence, particularly with the "aggravated" qualifier to the arson charge
 
2021-07-29 11:45:18 PM  
1 vote:

princhester: I would be interested in whether it was arson.

If it wasn'tarson and was just negligence, I would say his superiors are also in deep shiat.  Nobody that junior should ever be in a position to make a mistake that destroys a whole ship.

There's a story told in nautical circles (possibly apocryphal) of a marine board that found that a ship went aground due to the gross incompetence of the helmsman, who made an absolutely unforgivable blunder.  But the marine board refused to punish him on grounds that:

"Under no circumstances should the cabin boy have been at the wheel and the only person on the bridge"


The primary charge is aggravated arson
 
2021-07-29 11:38:35 PM  
1 vote:

rickythepenguin: *ouch*

a Seaman Apprentice?  That is, E-2.  the second lowest (E-1 being the lowest) paygrade.  He's probably under two years of service.  And even if he isn't, the *entire* Armed Forces tops out E-2 pay at $2,001 per month.  There aren't any (hopefully) 11yr, 15yr, 19yr E-2s in the service (but one never knows).

https://militarybenefits.info/2021-mil​itary-pay-charts/

gonna take a long, long, lllllllllongggggggg farking time to pay that off.


That's still about $2,001 per month more than he'll be earning during his impending 20-year assignment to Naval Station Forfeiture Of All Pay And Allowances.
 
2021-07-29 11:11:59 PM  
1 vote:

Redh8t: This is reminiscent of the USS Miami fire, when a civilian sandblaster/painter set a bunch of rags on fire because he wanted to go home.
He received a 17 year prison sentence and was ordered to pay $400 million in restitution.
If that's what a civilian gets as punishment, can't imagine what the navy is going to do with an enlisted person.


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