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2021-07-29 3:19:43 PM  
Now let's get go to Betty White for an update on this unfortunate misunderstanding...
 
2021-07-29 5:17:11 PM  
Call him Mint Jelly, because he's on the lam.
 
2021-07-29 5:19:11 PM  
What our justice system clearly needs right now is an end to cash bail.
 
2021-07-29 5:19:21 PM  
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That peach fuzz doesn't look 15 himself.
 
2021-07-29 5:20:49 PM  
Well, I guess there is such a thing as a free lunch.
 
2021-07-29 5:21:57 PM  

DrWhy: What our justice system clearly needs right now is an end to cash bail.


Actually we just need get rid of prison in general
 
2021-07-29 5:22:23 PM  
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Approves.
 
2021-07-29 5:22:48 PM  
He looks like a man who's going to receive excessive attention from his fellow prisoners.
 
2021-07-29 5:22:50 PM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: [Fark user image image 850x478]

That peach fuzz doesn't look 15 himself.


I don't blame the guy for running he's not going to have a good time in prison
 
2021-07-29 5:23:35 PM  

nytmare: He looks like a man who's going to receive excessive attention from his fellow prisoners.


Sadly that's exactly my first thought
 
2021-07-29 5:23:55 PM  
It doesn't say what that bond amount was but given his age, I would assume his family members might be about to eat a huge loss.  Now maybe they are in on it, but given he doesn't likely have a passport, I don't know what his cunning plan is and this certainly will reflect negatively on his sentencing.
 
2021-07-29 5:26:59 PM  
He was charged with 3 separate counts of criminal sexual conduct with a mandatory minimum of 25 years a pop and not only was he allowed to walk around free during the trial...they let him go to lunch on his own? And now they wonder where he's gone?

I guess the police were too busy harassing people for being black whilst existing to keep track of this guy.
 
2021-07-29 5:27:38 PM  
What a U.P. Defendant Who Skips Out May Look Like...
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2021-07-29 5:29:50 PM  
"We've got an nationwide warrant out for Trent 'Dirtstache' Perlich, because we were dumb enough to let a triple-rapist looking at a mandatory minimum of 75 goddamned years in prison take off for lunch by himself."

Odds that he went to Subway for lunch?
 
2021-07-29 5:30:14 PM  

nytmare: He looks like a man who's going to receive excessive attention from his fellow prisoners.


"Serendipity."
 
2021-07-29 5:31:30 PM  

waxbeans: DrWhy: What our justice system clearly needs right now is an end to cash bail.

Actually we just need get rid of prison in general


He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.
 
2021-07-29 5:32:04 PM  

waxbeans: nytmare: He looks like a man who's going to receive excessive attention from his fellow prisoners.

Sadly that's exactly my first thought


He was looking at 75 years. They don't put you in the slammer for 75 years for peeing in public. I imagine that there's probably a reason why he was looking at so much time. And it probably wasn't because of his winning personality
 
2021-07-29 5:32:31 PM  

Daedalus27: It doesn't say what that bond amount was but given his age, I would assume his family members might be about to eat a huge loss.  Now maybe they are in on it, but given he doesn't likely have a passport, I don't know what his cunning plan is and this certainly will reflect negatively on his sentencing.


If only everybody had family so caring
 
2021-07-29 5:32:58 PM  
If he were smart he would get a job and live near Mar-a-lago.

Law enforcement will never go near that .
 
2021-07-29 5:33:38 PM  
Just a guess, they'll find him dead sometime, suicide.
 
2021-07-29 5:34:15 PM  

waxbeans: Daedalus27: It doesn't say what that bond amount was but given his age, I would assume his family members might be about to eat a huge loss.  Now maybe they are in on it, but given he doesn't likely have a passport, I don't know what his cunning plan is and this certainly will reflect negatively on his sentencing.

If only everybody had family so caring


Friends will visit your ass in jail, family will lose their house so you can spend a couple extra hours of freedom before you have your butt locked up for the rest of your life.
 
2021-07-29 5:35:08 PM  

Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.


Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid
 
2021-07-29 5:35:19 PM  
*shakes head*...got nuthin'.  Farking idiots.
 
2021-07-29 5:37:04 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: Daedalus27: It doesn't say what that bond amount was but given his age, I would assume his family members might be about to eat a huge loss.  Now maybe they are in on it, but given he doesn't likely have a passport, I don't know what his cunning plan is and this certainly will reflect negatively on his sentencing.

If only everybody had family so caring

Friends will visit your ass in jail, family will lose their house so you can spend a couple extra hours of freedom before you have your butt locked up for the rest of your life.


Ymmv

My mother told me flat out that she would not visit me if I ever got sent to prison.

And the thing is it's kind of disturbing because even some of the worst people still had family visit them and I'm nowhere near that type of person
 
2021-07-29 5:39:12 PM  

iheartscotch: waxbeans: nytmare: He looks like a man who's going to receive excessive attention from his fellow prisoners.

Sadly that's exactly my first thought

He was looking at 75 years. They don't put you in the slammer for 75 years for peeing in public. I imagine that there's probably a reason why he was looking at so much time. And it probably wasn't because of his winning personality


Well, each of three charges had a mandatory minimum of 25 years. That doesn't really imply anything about what he did, though.
 
2021-07-29 5:41:08 PM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: [Fark user image 850x478]

That peach fuzz doesn't look 15 himself.


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2021-07-29 5:42:15 PM  
That's it. I'm making a "Thanks Google" folder.

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2021-07-29 5:44:32 PM  
Wtf "sexual misconduct"  carries 25-life?

Did he kill people with his dick?
 
2021-07-29 5:44:32 PM  

Eravior: That's it. I'm making a "Thanks Google" folder.

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2021-07-29 5:45:24 PM  

nytmare: He looks like a man who's going to receive excessive attention from his fellow prisoners.


I imagine he'll be greeted warmly

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2021-07-29 5:49:43 PM  

waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid


You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.
 
2021-07-29 5:53:16 PM  
He seems all white to me.
 
2021-07-29 5:53:55 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.


?????????????????
Rape should be a capital offense.
All violent crime should be a capital offense.
If committing a capital offense makes you want to commit another capital offense in tandem I don't think that's a fault in the system I think that's a fault in that individual person.


I for one have never purchased one contraband and decided hey let me pick up some other contraband in addition to this contraband

Because I'm not mentally ill person who thinks as long as I'm breaking the law why not be a complete farking idiot and make it worse
Let's not design our justice system around what the biggest farking idiot would do
 
2021-07-29 5:56:04 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.


The vast majority of crime
^
Did you miss that part?

Let me clarify: nearly all crime should be a ticket and or house arrest and or combination of those two
 
2021-07-29 5:59:48 PM  
Once he shaves off that distinctive mustache his own family won't recognize him. Let's face it, he's gone.
 
2021-07-29 6:01:54 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.


/
I don't know if armed robbery should carry the death penalty?
//
I guess we have to do is not do this overnight you'd have to gradually get people used to the idea of most crime getting you a ticket or house arrest and only the worst things getting the death penalty so some individuals would be grandfathered in and not face death for armed robbery because they're used to the old system
 
2021-07-29 6:03:26 PM  
"UPDATE: Ironwood man found after fleeing during court appearance

Trevor Perlitch has been located in Anderson, Wisconsin and is current lodged in the Iron County Jail. He is pending extradition back to Michigan to face sentencing."



Looks like he made it about 170 miles.
 
2021-07-29 6:04:38 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.


Why would anyone do armed robbery under my system when they could do strong armed robbery and not get the death penalty?
 
2021-07-29 6:05:38 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.


Jesus Christ I hope you're never on a jury you assume criminals went into a crime prepared to kill someone
 
2021-07-29 6:08:59 PM  
The convicted is 5′11″ tall, 155 pounds with green eyes - and a sex pervert.

He is going to be POP-U-LAR where he is going.

Oh, and if you want to know what 1st degree criminal sexual misconduct is.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree if he or she engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
(a) That other person is under 13 years of age.
(b) That other person is at least 13 but less than 16 years of age and any of the following:
(i) The actor is a member of the same household as the victim.
(ii) The actor is related to the victim by blood or affinity to the fourth degree.
(iii) The actor is in a position of authority over the victim...
(iv)a teacher,...
(v) The actor is an employee or a contractual service provider of the public school,...
(c) Sexual penetration occurs under circumstances involving the commission of any other felony.
(d) The actor is aided or abetted by 1 or more other persons and either of the following circumstances exists:
(i) The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable,...
(ii) The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual penetration.
(e) The actor is armed with a weapon ...
(f) The actor causes personal injury to the victim and force or coercion is used to accomplish sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes, but is not limited to, any of the following circumstances:
(i) When the actor overcomes the victim through the actual application of physical force or physical violence.
(ii) When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to use force ...
(iii) When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to retaliate...
(iv) When the actor engages in the medical treatment for purposes that are medically recognized as unethical or unacceptable.
(v) When the actor, through concealment or by the element of surprise, is able to overcome the victim.
(g) The actor causes personal injury to the victim, and the actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless.
(h) That other person is mentally incapable, mentally disabled....
 
2021-07-29 6:13:49 PM  

DrWhy: What our justice system clearly needs right now is an end to cash bail.


You should try seeing how things work in less uncivilized places than where you live.

Daedalus27: It doesn't say what that bond amount was but given his age, I would assume his family members might be about to eat a huge loss.


Yup. Same lack of intelligence that got him in this position in the first place strikes again. "Bond revoked" is just not a good thing to have happen to you.

iheartscotch:I guess the police were too busy harassing people for being black whilst existing to keep track of this guy.

They're probably both in prison already and there's nobody left to harass for that reason. You would know that if you had ever been to the UP.
 
2021-07-29 6:14:49 PM  

waxbeans: Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.

Jesus Christ I hope you're never on a jury you assume criminals went into a crime prepared to kill someone


No, he's also saying "once I've committed a crime that the only punishment is death, I might as well kill all the witnesses because what are they going to do, kill me twice?"
 
2021-07-29 6:16:13 PM  

waxbeans: multiple replies....


You seem to be misunderstanding my comment.  The death penalty as it presently in the US, requires there to be a murder for it to be imposed.  A life, for a life and having the death penalty reserved for the most serious offense.  When attempts have been made to extend the death penalty to say aggrivated child rape (which everyone agrees is a horrible offense), it has been rejected.

I believe the rejection is proper because, as I stated, it creates a perverse incentive otherwise.  If you assume criminals are rational actors (and they are most certainly not sometimes), if you create a system to where a rape will result in death, then criminals who I assume don't want the death penalty will do what they can to minimize that chance.  What is going to result in a likelier conviction and death?  Having the victim on the stand and pointing at the criminal that they are the one who raped them as well as the forensic evidence, or having the victim unable to testify and having the DA having to put on forensic evidence tying the criminal to the offense.  If the Death penalty is present for both rape and murder, then you are giving a criminal an incentive to get rid of witnesses.  And despite how horrible rape is, the victim can through effort live a productive life and we want there to be a reason for criminals to let that happen, hence not having the death penalty for rape, but having it available for murder.

Also, I have served on a criminal jury, you follow the instructions as given and weigh the evidence.
 
2021-07-29 6:29:34 PM  

madgonad: The convicted is 5′11″ tall, 155 pounds with green eyes - and a sex pervert.

He is going to be POP-U-LAR where he is going.

Oh, and if you want to know what 1st degree criminal sexual misconduct is.
(1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the first degree if he or she engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exists:
(a) That other person is under 13 years of age.
(b) That other person is at least 13 but less than 16 years of age and any of the following:
(i) The actor is a member of the same household as the victim.
(ii) The actor is related to the victim by blood or affinity to the fourth degree.
(iii) The actor is in a position of authority over the victim...
(iv)a teacher,...
(v) The actor is an employee or a contractual service provider of the public school,...
(c) Sexual penetration occurs under circumstances involving the commission of any other felony.
(d) The actor is aided or abetted by 1 or more other persons and either of the following circumstances exists:
(i) The actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable,...
(ii) The actor uses force or coercion to accomplish the sexual penetration.
(e) The actor is armed with a weapon ...
(f) The actor causes personal injury to the victim and force or coercion is used to accomplish sexual penetration. Force or coercion includes, but is not limited to, any of the following circumstances:
(i) When the actor overcomes the victim through the actual application of physical force or physical violence.
(ii) When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to use force ...
(iii) When the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to retaliate...
(iv) When the actor engages in the medical treatment for purposes that are medically recognized as unethical or unacceptable.
(v) When the actor, through concealment or by the element of surprise, is able to overcome the victim.
(g) The actor causes personal injury to the victim, and the actor knows or has reason to know that the victim is mentally incapable, mentally incapacitated, or physically helpless.
(h) That other person is mentally incapable, mentally disabled....


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2021-07-29 6:31:42 PM  
Regardless of how bad of crimes he committed, I can't blame anyone for not sticking around when it's clear they're about to get 25 mandatory years, let alone 75.

My guess is that his lawyers had just told him that conviction is likely, and that after the verdict, the judge would revoke bail until sentencing, with a mandatory 75-year sentence.  That lunch was his last chance to run.
 
2021-07-29 6:36:43 PM  

edmo: Now let's get go to Betty White for an update on this unfortunate misunderstanding...


Funny, within a couple of months of going to prison, "Betty" is what he'll be answering to!
 
2021-07-29 6:37:06 PM  

waxbeans: Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.

?????????????????
Rape should be a capital offense.
All violent crime should be a capital offense.
If committing a capital offense makes you want to commit another capital offense in tandem I don't think that's a fault in the system I think that's a fault in that individual person.


I for one have never purchased one contraband and decided hey let me pick up some other contraband in addition to this contraband

Because I'm not mentally ill person who thinks as long as I'm breaking the law why not be a complete farking idiot and make it worse
Let's not design our justice system around what the biggest farking idiot would do


Post something like this on Fark?
 
2021-07-29 6:43:58 PM  

Geotpf: No, he's also saying "once I've committed a crime that the only punishment is death, I might as well kill all the witnesses because what are they going to do, kill me twice?"


Yeah really I don't think that's how that's going to play out because people would already be doing that and well only the worst people go to that logic and in fact the matter is we definitely need to remove those people permanently anyway.
All of us are already collateral damage to the most extreme criminals anyway so it's not actually going to cause that much more death than you guys are thinking
Plus I think everyone's missing a very specific thing here I said the vast majority of crime should be a ticket and or house arrest I guess I should be even more clear than previously there's probably only a handful of crimes that we should be killing people for and all of them are violent and distasteful already do I really care if the pedophile decides to kill the victim because factomatter is you've probably already killed that person mentally anyway
 
2021-07-29 6:44:35 PM  

Geotpf: waxbeans: Daedalus27: waxbeans: Ashelth: Actually we just need get rid of prison in general

He was convicted of 3 counts of raping a child under 13....  I think prison is exactly where he belongs.

Nope.
The vast majority of crime should be a ticket and/or house arrest.

The rest of the horrible shiat should be death penalty.

/
Obviously would have to fix a lot of things within the justice system as far as getting convictions and how horrible that whole thing is broken.
But yeah prisons are stupid

You haven't thought your clever punishment system all the way through.  If you have all "horrible" shiat be the death penalty, you are giving an incentive for criminals to commit additional horrible crimes.  For instance lets say armed robbery carries the death penalty, since you are facing that already, why not kill all witnesses to try and reduce the likelihood of conviction.  If rape carries the death penalty, not having the victim around to identify you and testify you committed the act means you are more likely to kill them.  The death penalty has to be reserved for only murder, otherwise, you are creating an incentive for murder.

Jesus Christ I hope you're never on a jury you assume criminals went into a crime prepared to kill someone

No, he's also saying "once I've committed a crime that the only punishment is death, I might as well kill all the witnesses because what are they going to do, kill me twice?"


Also never mind you're ignoring the fact that China kills people for a long list of things
 
2021-07-29 6:47:31 PM  

Daedalus27: waxbeans: multiple replies....

You seem to be misunderstanding my comment.  The death penalty as it presently in the US, requires there to be a murder for it to be imposed.  A life, for a life and having the death penalty reserved for the most serious offense.  When attempts have been made to extend the death penalty to say aggrivated child rape (which everyone agrees is a horrible offense), it has been rejected.

I believe the rejection is proper because, as I stated, it creates a perverse incentive otherwise.  If you assume criminals are rational actors (and they are most certainly not sometimes), if you create a system to where a rape will result in death, then criminals who I assume don't want the death penalty will do what they can to minimize that chance.  What is going to result in a likelier conviction and death?  Having the victim on the stand and pointing at the criminal that they are the one who raped them as well as the forensic evidence, or having the victim unable to testify and having the DA having to put on forensic evidence tying the criminal to the offense.  If the Death penalty is present for both rape and murder, then you are giving a criminal an incentive to get rid of witnesses.  And despite how horrible rape is, the victim can through effort live a productive life and we want there to be a reason for criminals to let that happen, hence not having the death penalty for rape, but having it available for murder.

Also, I have served on a criminal jury, you follow the instructions as given and weigh the evidence.


I don't know man the logic you using is flawed on many levels I wish I was intelligent enough to point out all the levels because well I'm just not that intelligent but yes what you're saying is flawed on so many levels and ignores the tons of information we have that tell us that this would not actually be the case.
Also you're ignoring the fact that I am listening the punishment of nearly every other crime if facing less punishment for all the crimes I'm talking about has you still doing death penalty worthy crimes well I'm sorry that someone has to die for you to be executed by the state but that's actually the greater good
 
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